Scientific proof that God exists?

[dompsairs]

You cant prove something that is supossedly infinite, how do u measure infinite? 

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[jackjack]

In reply to your question, I guess that depends on the proof you provide, is it physical? Scientific? Esoteric?

Do you believe in magic?

 

Maybe the first proof that can be made was (logic)
Topic: Computer Scientists Prove God Exists

Ideas aren't reality

The theorem says that God, or a supreme being, is that for which no greater can be conceived. God exists in the understanding. If God exists in the understanding, we could imagine Him to be greater by existing in reality. Therefore, God must exist.

The theorem says that my unicorn is that for which nothing loving me more can be conceived. My unicorn exists in the understanding. If my unicorn exists in the understanding, we could imagine Her to be loving me even more if she actually knows me. Therefore, my unicorn must exist.

Kthxbai

[dank]

Depends on what do you mean by "God". If you think God is a person, who sends good people to heaven and bad people to hell - then no. His rules are impossible to follow. If they were true, no one would ever go to heaven.

This is the best formulation of a proof that God in the Bible/Quran/Other religions is man made. Probably has a logo too.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

There are forces in the Universe that we do not understand yet. It's a proven fact that everything has a magnetic field. We are all connected. Literally. Science has proven that. Planets even have auras. So again - depends on your concept of god. But to believe in Jesus, or Satan is hilarious.

Just because god has been misinterpreted by religions doesn't make the concepts of jesus or satan any less true.  Jesus did exist, nature always has a way of rising one person in the position to discover, share and rebel against a greed based society to the farthest extent.  When you are in that position and reach that state of consciousness, you realize a few things: death is inevitable, living in fear of death is illogical, pain is a manifestation of ego, if you live a life of spreading peace you will feel no pain when you die, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by beholding the position of jesus.

Jesus is beyond a universally singular person.  Jesus is a soul, the spirit of god.  Jesus is the one.  He is neo, it matters not what form he takes.

Satan is also not a singular being.  Satan is the concept of the material world, ego, negativity.

This spiritual universe has been personified in order to be portrayed in terms humans can comprehend.  God is well beyond any one humanoid being.  God is light, god is love.

At first you appear intelligent enough to know what your talking about, then I noticed this notice that is not worth noticing, but I noticed it anyway lol, Jesus was a human being, the apparent son of god, but he was most definately NOT GOD

You're not thinking in terms of a unified perspective.  Jesus is god, but so are you.  Jesus is not a god above or separate from others, he is simply a man who evolved before others.  We are all god, we are all Jesus.

[Decksperiment]

You cant prove something that is supossedly infinite, how do u measure infinite? 

Another good one, look up 

[Decksperiment]

Depends on what do you mean by "God". If you think God is a person, who sends good people to heaven and bad people to hell - then no. His rules are impossible to follow. If they were true, no one would ever go to heaven.

This is the best formulation of a proof that God in the Bible/Quran/Other religions is man made. Probably has a logo too.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

There are forces in the Universe that we do not understand yet. It's a proven fact that everything has a magnetic field. We are all connected. Literally. Science has proven that. Planets even have auras. So again - depends on your concept of god. But to believe in Jesus, or Satan is hilarious.

Just because god has been misinterpreted by religions doesn't make the concepts of jesus or satan any less true.  Jesus did exist, nature always has a way of rising one person in the position to discover, share and rebel against a greed based society to the farthest extent.  When you are in that position and reach that state of consciousness, you realize a few things: death is inevitable, living in fear of death is illogical, pain is a manifestation of ego, if you live a life of spreading peace you will feel no pain when you die, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by beholding the position of jesus.

Jesus is beyond a universally singular person.  Jesus is a soul, the spirit of god.  Jesus is the one.  He is neo, it matters not what form he takes.

Satan is also not a singular being.  Satan is the concept of the material world, ego, negativity.

This spiritual universe has been personified in order to be portrayed in terms humans can comprehend.  God is well beyond any one humanoid being.  God is light, god is love.

Jesus WAS a human being.. and he is dead, pure and simple.  He is Hiram Abiff.. the stupid cunt that lost THE word.. Neither of these is RA, And Neo was just plain fuckin Neo, he never took any other form. He is Keanu Reave's, a human being. An Actor.. You were only supposed to take the blue OR red pill, not both lol.. Neo is also not a singular being.  Neo is the concept of the material world, ego, negativity.

God is NOT love, he is the creator OF.

[Decksperiment]

Depends on what do you mean by "God". If you think God is a person, who sends good people to heaven and bad people to hell - then no. His rules are impossible to follow. If they were true, no one would ever go to heaven.

This is the best formulation of a proof that God in the Bible/Quran/Other religions is man made. Probably has a logo too.

“The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.”

There are forces in the Universe that we do not understand yet. It's a proven fact that everything has a magnetic field. We are all connected. Literally. Science has proven that. Planets even have auras. So again - depends on your concept of god. But to believe in Jesus, or Satan is hilarious.

Just because god has been misinterpreted by religions doesn't make the concepts of jesus or satan any less true.  Jesus did exist, nature always has a way of rising one person in the position to discover, share and rebel against a greed based society to the farthest extent.  When you are in that position and reach that state of consciousness, you realize a few things: death is inevitable, living in fear of death is illogical, pain is a manifestation of ego, if you live a life of spreading peace you will feel no pain when you die, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain by beholding the position of jesus.

Jesus is beyond a universally singular person.  Jesus is a soul, the spirit of god.  Jesus is the one.  He is neo, it matters not what form he takes.

Satan is also not a singular being.  Satan is the concept of the material world, ego, negativity.

This spiritual universe has been personified in order to be portrayed in terms humans can comprehend.  God is well beyond any one humanoid being.  God is light, god is love.

At first you appear intelligent enough to know what your talking about, then I noticed this notice that is not worth noticing, but I noticed it anyway lol, Jesus was a human being, the apparent son of god, but he was most definately NOT GOD

You're not thinking in terms of a unified perspective.  Jesus is god, but so are you.  Jesus is not a god above or separate from others, he is simply a man who evolved before others.  We are all god, we are all Jesus.

My birth certificate says otherwise.. now there is scientific proof!

[bl4kjaguar]

God defined what freewill is, not us. He created it imperfectly.... You know the rest.

See how easy it is too shoot this god theory down in flames. In contrast it takes much more effort to shoot down the non god theory.

Perhaps, but what about the four facts that I mentioned? The non-god theory struggles with them! It is actually being challenged by this new information.

1) that we can and should no longer wish away expansive phenomena of this type.
2) The psychical origin of the Seth material does not automatically invalidate its claims
3)  "Nothing is more likely to impede investigation than premature acceptance of 'explanations'"
4) personalities continue to exist after physical death

This brings me to my next point!

Ideas aren't reality

Kthxbai

The non-god idea is NOT REALITY.

The facts above are part of our reality; does the non-god theory have anything useful to say about it? So far, non-god proponents have not been able to reply to the public challenge.

[HTC123]

The title is fake itself.
Or I can show more scientific proof that God do not exist.

[bl4kjaguar]

The title is fake itself.
Or I can show more scientific proof that God do not exist.

Oh yeah??

The facts above are part of our reality; does the non-god theory have anything useful to say about it? So far, non-god proponents have not been able to reply to the public challenge.

[Scoremaster]

the proof is that science exists, in that god is scientific.

can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?

what came first he chicken or the egg?

[Lauda]

the proof is that science exists, in that god is scientific.

can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?

what came first he chicken or the egg?

That's just stupid. If you think about that one; the universe had to be created by someone?
Who created god then? He/she couldn't have just been there. If you say that he/she could.
Then the universe could too.

Quantum physics seems interesting though, there are a lot of theories in regards to this.

[homm88]

It's pretty pointless even considering articles from clearly biased sources.

[bl4kjaguar]

Facts mentioned by me in this thread are not misinformation.

The non-god theory struggles with them! Such theory is actually being challenged by this new information.

1) that we can and should no longer wish away expansive phenomena of this type.
2) The psychical origin of the Seth material does not automatically invalidate its claims
3)  "Nothing is more likely to impede investigation than premature acceptance of 'explanations'"
4) personalities continue to exist after physical death

In a related thread, I posted content which is in the domain of world experience -- but far beyond explanation.

People want to believe materialism and evolution rather than examining something that makes sense in light of the published public record.

Even if all of the old explanations make sense, those world views have limits to their relevance.

And they are now being challenged.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=635960.msg8437004#msg8437004

[Nabilo]

the proof is that science exists, in that god is scientific.

can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?

what came first he chicken or the egg?

 
 Maybe the Police??

[BADecker]

the proof is that science exists, in that god is scientific.

can a supreme being exist without science? can science exist without god?

what came first he chicken or the egg?

 
 Maybe the Police??

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/science?s=t :

science
[sahy-uh ns]

noun
1. a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws:
the mathematical sciences.
2. systematic knowledge of the physical or material world gained through observation and experimentation.
3. any of the branches of natural or physical science.
4. systematized knowledge in general.
5. knowledge, as of facts or principles; knowledge gained by systematic study.
6. a particular branch of knowledge.
7. skill, especially reflecting a precise application of facts or principles; proficiency.


Do we know enough FACTS to explain what God is through science? I don't think so, personally. The best we can do is see that God exists through the multitudes of complex evidences. This is part of the reason that almost all religions stress having faith. We will not be able to scientifically prove God any time soon.

Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.

There might be theories for our existence, theories that don't include God. But there are NO COMPLETE FACTS for these theories. If there were, the theories would be laws, not theories.

At this stage of the game in our scientific development, if we want to see if God exists, we need to look elsewhere, somewhere other than science. The most logical "elsewhere" is to see if God is making Himself known by revelation of some kind. That's why we have religious books.

The greatest religious book of all, hands down, is the Bible. Investigate the Bible, how it came into existence, how far it has traveled around the world, how accurate current copies are when compared with ancient manuscripts, the traditions of the Jewish people regarding the Old Testament (Tanakh),  the experiences Bible users have had in their lives, and anything else you can think to investigate about the Bible. When you DO exhaustive research like this, you will find that a book like the Bible is impossible to exist... yet it does exist. Now, guess what that means.

[jackjack]

Do we know enough FACTS to explain that God exists? I don't think so, personally

[jackjack]

[Lethn]

Do we know enough FACTS to explain what God is through science? I don't think so, personally. The best we can do is see that God exists through the multitudes of complex evidences. This is part of the reason that almost all religions stress having faith. We will not be able to scientifically prove God any time soon.

Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.

I love how even when he's trying to convince himself he makes contradictions in the same post.

[BADecker]

Do we know enough FACTS to explain what God is through science? I don't think so, personally. The best we can do is see that God exists through the multitudes of complex evidences. This is part of the reason that almost all religions stress having faith. We will not be able to scientifically prove God any time soon.

Yet we don't need blind faith. The evidence for God is extremely overwhelming, even if we can't make scientific heads or tails of it at this stage of the game. So, faith has some base in evidence. It is not blind faith.

I love how even when he's trying to convince himself he makes contradictions in the same post.

Evidence and facts are not the same thing. Facts are concrete. Evidence can be interpreted. 

[Decksperiment]

I notice so many people from 'bible' faith's are replying to this thread.. And not many others.. So many.. countless quotes from what is best described, as the youngest book in religion.. a good 60% of these quotes are written to say who was who, where what came from, and all of them, come from one book, that is only just over 2000 years old, but I'll add another thousand just to keep whomever happy.. 99% of 'religious' support for god comes from only 1 book again.. This proves to me just one thing so far.. that the most arguments come from 'believer's' of what this book says.

If this was my thread I'd (politelly) ask NO masons to post here, for they wont say the name JESUS in a church. The Jews wont say GOD.. many religions dont want any image of 'their' god anywhere.. but apparently god is not just everywhere, he IS EVERYTHING.

(note the last full stop

In effect, for what is taught, is that the spirit lives on in our children. As spirit creates the form (grow) in their fathers almost identical image.. as jesus states, what I am you shall become.. But he aint my dad.. this may explain why thou shalt not create any graven image.. just by building a church, mosque, the builders create the 'graven' image, that is carved/built onto this earth.. perhaps there is a reason we are not to do this.. If you knew the rituals held by freemasons in your church, and you DO believe in GOD, would you go back to your church to listen to the preist who allows it? Yes, and in doing so support the evil commited in your church.

'think not in angles - for surely they will follow thee' (hounds of the barrier that guard the hidden pathway)

Now think of the symbol of freemasonry.. nothing BUT angles.. think of the cross.. the star of (king)david..

Think I'm talking nonsence? My avatar was created after I saw a particular image carved into the wall of roslin chapel (thats how it is now spelt here that image is of the tetragrammaton.. it is carved so deep into the wall one would (should) question how it was created, and in all places, a church.. for it took time to create this. Whilst I sought to find what this image represented, I came across the instructions for the creation of where, what should be in a certain ritual. This avatar of mine represents the 5 elements, earth, fire water, air and spirit. A defence against what is not only commited in YOUR church, but all over the face of the earth.

Do your research into the history that destroyed stonehenge, yes there is one.. use google maps to find how many other stone circles 'orbit' stonehenge (orbit, as in dotted around) and if you zooom out just enough to see the other constellations 'engraved' in the land.. you'll probably believe there is no upside down pyramid.. (incidently, google wont show this on your maps, but it does exist, in egypt)

I'm getting bored trying to find proof of god, when pit against bible lovers.. for they really do allow the evil to be commited by at least one member of their family, a freemason. Then go to the same spot the mason carried out his ritual. (or will attend one in a church)

Scientific proof, is also defined as accepted by the majority through experience of the many.. and hence 'witnessed'

It is a scientific fact that rituals produce effects, be them for good or evil.

In this guise the word 'ritual' is another proof of god, since so many ritualists know the desired effect's of the cause.

I'm not a ritualist, or into any that stuff, but have read a lot of them..

Someone of a spiritual nature or better, governs these 'laws' which are for use of EITHER good or evil.

Perhaps we should ask for proof of allah? Most here would shut up, through a simple lack of knowledge.