Scientific proof that God exists?

[BADecker]

^^ Philosophy and conjecture is all I see in that post. Don't get me wrong philosophy is the greatest gift mankind kind has, it creates a path to critical thinking but it can also be used to skew the ideals of weaker minds.

Time is a very real mathematical constant, to simplify it with such a linear definition is a fallacy.

Well, there's a kind of reverse poetry in that "philosophy and conjecture" post, as well.

In its simplest terms, time is a dimension of space that gives space the freedom to move. Without time, nothing in space could move without crashing into something else. Everything in space would be held rigid. Could something else be developed that would make time unnecessary? Probably. But it would change the whole structure of the universe.

[deftonikus]

So the OP just proved that Thor is real?
For the Asgard!!! 

[BADecker]

So the OP just proved that Thor is real?
For the Asgard!!! 

Of course Thor is real. But only in the minds of some of the people. And only for as long as they live.

[Vod]

So the OP just proved that Thor is real?
For the Asgard!!! 

Of course Thor is real. But only in the minds of some of the people. And only for as long as they live.

That describes every god everyone has ever thought of.

 

[zimmah]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

[BADecker]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...

... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...

... you would be right. It's called entropy.

[coinbuyer2580]

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees.

These anomalies are easily explained, an outside force placed them in strata or multiple strata. Erratic boulders are examples of this phenomena, in this case glaciers are the outside force. In fact glaciers may be the explanation of many of the anomalies you have mentioned. They are the cause of many geological deposits throughout the world some examples are drumlins, eskers, kame etc.

Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs

There is no evidence supporting the idea that these tracks were made by a human being. If you examine the tracks there would be no real way to definitively discern from them the animal that left the track. The type of rock that these fossil footprints were left in is limestone, the most common sedimentary rock on earth. These footprints were meters apart and could have formed millions of years separated from each other.

I am not trying to start an argument, I think the problem is T.V. Television programs are not obligated to produce both sides of a hypothesis, nor are they required to fact check. All they aim to do is entertain and grab ratings leaving viewers who do not question what the have been shown believing it as fact.

[jackjack]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...

... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...

... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

[BADecker]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...

... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...

... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

[jackjack]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...

... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...

... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

[BADecker]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...

... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...

... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

Go ahead and laugh. The politicians of science are laughing a lot harder, because they got you to believe all their nonsense while the facts against it are right under your nose.

I love this thread. You atheists are so hilarious!

[jackjack]

The only evidence that we have of a high radiation shower that produced mutations are Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Do you also not think that much of the sun UV is blocked by the ozone layer? (That wasn't there since day 1)

And stop talking nonsense, the evolution through radioactivity/UV takes MILLIONS of years.
Have you ever saw a mountain come up from the ground?
No?
Do you really think that god is a better explanation for them than plate tectonics?

Picky, picky, picky. Cortex7 simply said, "... a high radiation shower... ." The Hiroshima and Nagasaki atom bombs WERE a high radiation shower compared with the way we are hit by cosmic and UV radiation. What are you, some kind of nut?

Lol do you even brain?
The amount of radiations billions of years ago without the ozone layer is ridiculously higher than your two tiny farts
Also, again, EVOLUTION TAKES MILLIONS OF YEARS.

So dense

This radiation is the same reason why Carbon-14 was different back before the Great Flood of Noah's day. The radiation has tricked us into thinking that the earth is billions of years old when it is really only about 6,000 years old, all because it messes up our carbon dating.

LMFAO you think C14 is used to date the billions years of our planet? Who's the nut now?
Do you also believe that the sedimentation was several orders magnitude faster back then? Lol

actually, how much sediment do you think a fucking global flood would spread around in a relatively small timeframe?

Did you want that answer in lbs., or cubic feet? Actually, I never thought about how much. But the fact that there are many places in the world that have loads of sea shells in the mountains, shows that some kind of cataclysmic event happened worldwide.

When you find whole trees that cross through several strata of sediment, sediment that scientists say represents hundreds of thousands of years, those are some very old trees. Or, take the places where human footprints are embedded right along with those of dinosaurs...

Anyway, people can guess what might have happened. We might even be able to make guestimations. But it is things like these, and many others - for example, no missing, links in all those mountainous sea creatures listed above - that show that the ideas of evolution and old earth, aren't quite right.

So, what is the truth? Scientific investigation has come up with theories upon theories. In fact, there are so many theories that the definition of the word "theory" is being twisted out of its dictionary meaning. Yet, nobody has come up with a concrete answer (unless you want to call sediment a form of concrete).

And if you say something like coinbuyer2580...

... Evolution is constant it does not have lulls, every generation is slightly different from the generation before it...

... you would be right. It's called entropy.

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

Go ahead and laugh. The politicians of science are laughing a lot harder, because they got you to believe all their nonsense while the facts against it are right under your nose.

I love this thread. You atheists are so hilarious!

Lol, I personally wrote a dozen scientific papers, so I guess I am the one making people believing my "nonsense"

[acs267]

There's no proof that gods don't exist; However, there's also no proof that they do exist. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. But, some of these things can't stand.

You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah an apt reference

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

If nothing is impossible for god, why is it that he can't forgive you for not believing? Many people claim that god is a jealous god - would you want someone filled with jealousy determining your life's path and fate?

Oh come on! Do you just want to hear someone talk? Or what?

It's not impossible for God to make something impossible for Himself, and also make it possible. You are forgiven for as long as you live... forgiven for EVERYTHING. It's once you die that you have locked yourself out of forgiveness, if you have. God has given each of us some of Himself. So, who is He going to deny when you will not accept Him? You or Himself?

He is jealous for and on behalf of righteousness, for honor, for the law of love, for those who trust in Him, and for truth. How long does He have to put up with a bunch of God-haters who prove that they are such by attempting to deny Him His rightful place of honor He holds as Creator and Owner of all things?

May I ask you this next question, please?

If someone has MPD, say, and one of their personalities thought that it was god, himself, would he be forgiven after death?

If god wants everyone to believe in their beliefs, why is it that we all can't get into this 'Heaven'? Were in the scripture is the usage of 'God-haters'? I'm Agnostic - does that make me a 'God-hater'?

Your argument sounds completely one-sided. You're not taking in the other non-religions, that also seemed doomed to your Hell. Freethinkers, Humanists, Apatheists, et cetera. Not to mention - will Muslims get into Heaven, too, or Jews? In which they believe in the same Allah/god as you? Hmm? How about the other branches of Christianity, which are in common feuds in one another and don't have the exact same beliefs? Huh? Will they too find salvation?

What about the murderous and treacherous ones? You make it seem as if the ultimate 'sin' is believing in your own beliefs. If you follow god's path, why is it that you call anyone who doesn't have your beliefs a 'God-hater' when so obviously your belief that god exists condemns my beliefs?

You don't seem that open-minded to me. To be honest, I don't hate Christians at all, or Muslims, or Jews, or any religion that doesn't aim to hurt other's beliefs. Your pale arguments are clearly why some feel the need to sway away from your beliefs.  

[BADecker]

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

Go ahead and laugh. The politicians of science are laughing a lot harder, because they got you to believe all their nonsense while the facts against it are right under your nose.

I love this thread. You atheists are so hilarious!

Lol, I personally wrote a dozen scientific papers, so I guess I am the one making people believing my "nonsense"

Aha! The truth comes out. You are part of the conspiracy of scientists. 

[jackjack]

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

Go ahead and laugh. The politicians of science are laughing a lot harder, because they got you to believe all their nonsense while the facts against it are right under your nose.

I love this thread. You atheists are so hilarious!

Lol, I personally wrote a dozen scientific papers, so I guess I am the one making people believing my "nonsense"

Aha! The truth comes out. You are part of the conspiracy of scientists. 

Yeah exactly Sherlock

[BADecker]

There's no proof that gods don't exist; However, there's also no proof that they do exist. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. But, some of these things can't stand.

You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah an apt reference

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

If nothing is impossible for god, why is it that he can't forgive you for not believing? Many people claim that god is a jealous god - would you want someone filled with jealousy determining your life's path and fate?

Oh come on! Do you just want to hear someone talk? Or what?

It's not impossible for God to make something impossible for Himself, and also make it possible. You are forgiven for as long as you live... forgiven for EVERYTHING. It's once you die that you have locked yourself out of forgiveness, if you have. God has given each of us some of Himself. So, who is He going to deny when you will not accept Him? You or Himself?

He is jealous for and on behalf of righteousness, for honor, for the law of love, for those who trust in Him, and for truth. How long does He have to put up with a bunch of God-haters who prove that they are such by attempting to deny Him His rightful place of honor He holds as Creator and Owner of all things?

May I ask you this next question, please?

If someone has MPD, say, and one of their personalities thought that it was god, himself, would he be forgiven after death?

If god wants everyone to believe in their beliefs, why is it that we all can't get into this 'Heaven'? Were in the scripture is the usage of 'God-haters'? I'm Agnostic - does that make me a 'God-hater'?

Your argument sounds completely one-sided. You're not taking in the other non-religions, that also seemed doomed to your Hell. Freethinkers, Humanists, Apatheists, et cetera. Not to mention - will Muslims get into Heaven, too, or Jews? In which they believe in the same Allah/god as you? Hmm? How about the other branches of Christianity, which are in common feuds in one another and don't have the exact same beliefs? Huh? Will they too find salvation?

What about the murderous and treacherous ones? You make it seem as if the ultimate 'sin' is believing in your own beliefs. If you follow god's path, why is it that you call anyone who doesn't have your beliefs a 'God-hater' when so obviously your belief that god exists condemns my beliefs?

You don't seem that open-minded to me. To be honest, I don't hate Christians at all, or Muslims, or Jews, or any religion that doesn't aim to hurt other's beliefs. Your pale arguments are clearly why some feel the need to sway away from your beliefs.  

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

[jackjack]

There's no proof that gods don't exist; However, there's also no proof that they do exist. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. But, some of these things can't stand.

You guys are wasting your time.

It's easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a brainwashed person to understand there are no gods.

hah an apt reference

/thread

You forget the rest of it. Jesus said, but nothing is impossible for God. By the time you get through the eye of the needle and see that God is there, you will already be in the judgment, and there will be no chance to change your mind and believe. Why not? Here's why not.

You can only believe in things that you are not sure of. When you are sure of something that you know, you don't believe it any longer. You are beyond that... beyond simply having to believe it. You KNOW it.

Once you are in the judgment, you will KNOW that God exists. Yet you can only be saved by faith = believing. You won't have any chance to believe any longer. You will NOT be saved if you haven't believed BEFORE you get to the judgment, because in the judgment you will KNOW God exists.

If nothing is impossible for god, why is it that he can't forgive you for not believing? Many people claim that god is a jealous god - would you want someone filled with jealousy determining your life's path and fate?

Oh come on! Do you just want to hear someone talk? Or what?

It's not impossible for God to make something impossible for Himself, and also make it possible. You are forgiven for as long as you live... forgiven for EVERYTHING. It's once you die that you have locked yourself out of forgiveness, if you have. God has given each of us some of Himself. So, who is He going to deny when you will not accept Him? You or Himself?

He is jealous for and on behalf of righteousness, for honor, for the law of love, for those who trust in Him, and for truth. How long does He have to put up with a bunch of God-haters who prove that they are such by attempting to deny Him His rightful place of honor He holds as Creator and Owner of all things?

May I ask you this next question, please?

If someone has MPD, say, and one of their personalities thought that it was god, himself, would he be forgiven after death?

If god wants everyone to believe in their beliefs, why is it that we all can't get into this 'Heaven'? Were in the scripture is the usage of 'God-haters'? I'm Agnostic - does that make me a 'God-hater'?

Your argument sounds completely one-sided. You're not taking in the other non-religions, that also seemed doomed to your Hell. Freethinkers, Humanists, Apatheists, et cetera. Not to mention - will Muslims get into Heaven, too, or Jews? In which they believe in the same Allah/god as you? Hmm? How about the other branches of Christianity, which are in common feuds in one another and don't have the exact same beliefs? Huh? Will they too find salvation?

What about the murderous and treacherous ones? You make it seem as if the ultimate 'sin' is believing in your own beliefs. If you follow god's path, why is it that you call anyone who doesn't have your beliefs a 'God-hater' when so obviously your belief that god exists condemns my beliefs?

You don't seem that open-minded to me. To be honest, I don't hate Christians at all, or Muslims, or Jews, or any religion that doesn't aim to hurt other's beliefs. Your pale arguments are clearly why some feel the need to sway away from your beliefs. 

Jesus along with His disciples said that people are either for them or against them. 

How could you possibly know that?
Were you there then?

[vipgelsi]

I sure hope he does.

[BADecker]

Cataclysmic event?
That's called plate tectonics. And that's not cataclysmic

You're welcome

Plate tectonics is a theory - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_tectonics. If it is anything like the Theory of Evolution regarding validity, it has been disproved long ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HDb9Ijynfo

Yeah so evolution has been disproved long ago, plate tectonics has been disproved long ago, but god is real.
Damn, you are hilarious, I love this thread.

Go ahead and laugh. The politicians of science are laughing a lot harder, because they got you to believe all their nonsense while the facts against it are right under your nose.

I love this thread. You atheists are so hilarious!

Lol, I personally wrote a dozen scientific papers, so I guess I am the one making people believing my "nonsense"

Aha! The truth comes out. You are part of the conspiracy of scientists. 

Yeah exactly Sherlock

Well, you're the one who said it. 

[mcgeal]

very informative