Unveiling the truth over the major Monero scam

[othe]

Lol. Monero's developers aren't capable of developing the coin, but they pretend they are.

Are we not doing the red anymore? I was told we were doing the red.

NO WE ARE DOING RAINBOW COLOURS NOW

PS: Nice that Monetaverde now exposed themselves as beeing also from the Byteoin coin-mill

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[Hexah]

-poof-

Nice try. Let's open up a Bytecoin commit from June 25th. Over 1k lines worth of code, and let's open up XMR's commit - 50 lines worth of code. It calls for a question who can and who can not code.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

-poof-

Nice try. Let's open up a Bytecoin commit from June 25th. Over 1k lines worth of code, and let's open up XMR's commit - 50 lines worth of code. It calls for a question who can and who can not code.

Hexah, all I ask is that you commit to posting at least one line a day - in red.

[fluffypony]

-poof-

Nice try. Let's open up a Bytecoin commit from June 25th. Over 1k lines worth of code, and let's open up XMR's commit - 50 lines worth of code. It calls for a question who can and who can not code.

http://www.databasically.com/2011/03/14/git-commit-early-commit-often/ -

"You can clearly see the evolution of this feature, and it makes sense. Not only can you step back (if user permissions were implemented incorrectly, for instance) but Alice was "forced" to think about each logical step of her development process, instead of jumping in head first. It's engineering 101 - break a problem in its atomic elements, and attack each of those."

http://blog.codinghorror.com/check-in-early-check-in-often/ -

"Developers who work for long periods -- and by long I mean more than a day -- without checking anything into source control are setting themselves up for some serious integration headaches down the line."

And to quote from my personal favourite, http://sethrobertson.github.io/GitBestPractices/#commit -

"Git only takes full responsibility for your data when you commit. If you fail to commit and then do something poorly thought out, you can run into trouble. Additionally, having periodic checkpoints means that you can understand how you broke something. People resist this out of some sense that this is ugly, limits git-bisection functionality, is confusing to observers, and might lead to accusations of stupidity. Well, I'm here to tell you that resisting this is ignorant. Commit Early And Often."

Well, I guess you proved that right.

[Hexah]

And while we are on the Payment_id topic - what is your actual role in it's establishment? Oh right, there is none. Your only accomplishment, you great professional coders, is that you've managed to put it in JSON RPC. That's just superb, I bet one has to win a few programming championships to do that.

[Wanesst]

Fun fact. Due to the recent hackers attack Monero devs have raised the transaction fees 20 times. Now that is pretty convenient isn’t it!? Now that the XMR network is infested with botnets, it takes forever to mine even a few coins. You guys are gonna drive the rest of the few real miners off the network. It all looks like a major rip-off.

For the next few weeks bag-holders or (in case of Monero) botnets operators, are gonna be cashing in on the ridiculously high fees. Scamming the honest users. Great fucking deal!

[DiamondCardz]

I'm just watching this and laughing. It is quite funny, really, how the shills of different coins fight each other. Personally I'm neutral, I don't really give a shit about Monero and whether it goes to "da moon" or dies - still, I'll watch how this plays out.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

And while we are on the Payment_id topic - what is your actual role in it's establishment? Oh right, there is none. Your only accomplishment, you great professional coders, is that you've managed to put it in JSON RPC. That's just superb, I bet one has to win a few programming championships to do that.

Hexah, please, color protocol - remember?

[slapper]

The leaders of this coin are completely lost. Someone (tacotime/smooth) needs to step up and take at least some strategic control over how the communication is taking place within the forums and channel their energy to doing something constructive and building the presence outside and on something on a much larger scale. Going from South Africa to Malla to suck dicks doesn't count. Get rid of this non coding/bullshit programmer "core team" that has destroyed the Monero brand by speaking ill about any and all coins, sometimes by pissing in competitor coin threads. Did you really think that is how they will sell their scam coins (even if they are scam coins) to buy Monero? Did Monero really need all this crap dirt slinging/mud pooping on every fucking coin thread. This has gotten so out of control. This thread is just a sample of retaliation amongst now a growing list of pissed off people. Just feel the vibe in the forums ....

The attitude of these morons has spread to other pricks who are in this coin now and spreading the gospel making sure they piss people off.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

The leaders of this coin are completely lost. Someone (tacotime/smooth) needs to step up and take at least some strategic control over how the communication is taking place within the forums and channel their energy to doing something constructive and building the presence outside and on something on a much larger scale. Going from South Africa to Malla to suck dicks doesn't count. Get rid of this non coding/bullshit programmer "core team" that has destroyed the Monero brand by speaking ill about any and all coins, sometimes by pissing in competitor coin threads. Did you really think that is how they will sell their scam coins (even if they are scam coins) to buy Monero? Did Monero really need all this crap dirt slinging/mud pooping on every fucking coin thread. This has gotten so out of control. This thread is just a sample of retaliation amongst now a growing list of pissed off people. Just feel the vibe in the forums ....

The attitude of these morons has spread to other pricks who are in this coin now and spreading the gospel making sure they piss people off.

Joel Osteen, is this you?

[Amosice]

most of alt coins are scam, most of alt coins' dev are scammers

[Lauda]

I'm just watching this and laughing. It is quite funny, really, how the shills of different coins fight each other. Personally I'm neutral, I don't really give a shit about Monero and whether it goes to "da moon" or dies - still, I'll watch how this plays out.

Well indeed.

It's only because of jealousy, and the reason that their coins are dying.
Shills are good for nothing but that actually, and from the looks of it this isn't going to stop.
Even if you don't care much, there is no harm in buying a small amount of it.

[kittycatbtc]

Look at all this ellaborate FUD.

[Zer0Sum]

Going from South Africa to Malla to suck dicks doesn't count.

What about the scam coins the Monero dudes are pumping on the side... like HyperStake with 750% interest.
It's for the subsistence level African farmers and Indian migrant workers, baby, don't forget about them.

C'mon, McRisto...
Turn your Pump Mothership panels into the blazing sun...
Squeeze that lemon till the juice runs down your leg, maaaan...
And point those mystic forces at the buzzing Polo receptors for One More Pump.

[Its About Sharing]

The XMR devs are not capable of maintaining their coin as they simply do not grasp CryptoNote tech in full. Bytecoin developers are the ones who created it and keep contributing. Having such an enemy is very scary if you cannot develop the protocol yourself. And that is why XMR bagholders are so cruel to both Bytecoin and CryptoNote. They don't need such an enemy, they aim to discredit it. No matter what it takes.

I noticed you've been saying 'we' lately .. so I'm going to take a leap of faith. There would likely be no 'XMR devs' at all if you people didn't launch an 82% mined coin into the public eye. That alone has lost you your crown, regardless of how much better you think you can manage the project. That your opinion is that they cannot manage it better than yourselves is a 'no shit' kind of statement - you fucking made the code. Then you tried to tell 6 billion people they can only ever have 18% of your fantastic creation. That's just not gonna fly in this reality. That's why BTCtalk members and people outside your closed community treat Bytecoin and CryptoNote like crap: Hypothesis rejected. As far as 'enemies' go: You're still open source, and for the most part not really a threat. You want your software to be in the hands of 6 billion people as much as we do; however, it won't be your efforts that bring it to them. That responsibility was taken from you, be it right or be it wrong - it is fact: Hypothesis accepted.

If we go back to H1 & H2, we can conclude that everything you see about Monero is fake. The Monero developers are not able to maintain and update the coin they've hijacked from thankful_for_today. In the meantime, botnet owners secure their profits by promoting XMR through purchased accounts, black PR, and fake trades. They continue to lure you into investing into their botnet mined currency so that they can profit.

Everything about Monero is more real than most everything I've seen in my entire short amount of time spent in this miserable forum. More real than the monitor in front of my face or the keyboard I type to you on. The developers will continue to live up to being able to maintain the code to an acceptably high quality - and it will take a different trajectory than you wanted it to. I get that you think that having 82% of the currency in your hands means it won't be in a botnets hands - but it violates a simple law that runs markets and gives things value: Everyone has paid the market price. You have not had a market for >80% of the existence of the currency, therefore you cannot follow this law. You lied, cheated and stole what you pretended to offer us - this is far more detrimental than any botnet can ever be. You did not pay the market price and now you're paying the ultimate price. If you would like to have some form of representation in the future of your project - I suggest you join teams with Monero now, else they (and those 6 billion people) will continue on without and despite you.

Great post, as are so many in this thread. Thanks to the devs like fluffypony and others for stepping in here.
I am more impressed by Monero, the devs, supporters, etc. AFTER this thread was started.
Thanks to trustworthy Rpietila for bringing Monero to so many peoples attention.
The bcn guys have now done a Barbara Streisand Effect like thing, and
It is beautiful. What started out as a load of crap has turned quite informative and
beneficial to Monero. Ironic, had bcn done the right thing to start off with, there would be no Monero...

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Going from South Africa to Malla to suck dicks doesn't count.

What about the scam coins the Monero dudes are pumping on the side... like HyperStake with 750% interest.
It's for the subsistence level African farmers and Indian migrant workers, baby, don't forget about them.

C'mon, McRisto...
Turn your Pump Mothership panels into the blazing sun...
Squeeze that lemon till the juice runs down your leg, maaaan...
And point those mystic forces at the buzzing Polo receptors for One More Pump.

What an eccentric performance.

[Jojatekok]

Lol. Monero's developers aren't capable of developing the coin, but they pretend they are.

Lol. Bytecoin's developers aren't capable of giving us a proof about Monero being a scam, but they promote it is.

[Vanderi]

The only thing this sort of threads will result in, is a general distaste to even go to the one cryptocurrency nexus on the web - btct itself. I'm actually disgusted by the attempts at "proof" "presented" on Monero here.
I've many times said I'm disgusted but now I really know what that saying means.

Since noone else says it out straight, I'll do it - up yours, fudding, paid shills. For the forums and Monero, really - UP YOURS. Disgusting.

[slapper]

The only thing this sort of threads will result in, is a general distaste to even go to the one cryptocurrency nexus on the web - btct itself. I'm actually disgusted by the attempts at "proof" "presented" on Monero here.
I've many times said I'm disgusted but now I really know what that saying means.

Since noone else says it out straight, I'll do it - up yours, fudding, paid shills. For the forums and Monero, really - UP YOURS. Disgusting.

Yes it is FUD. But can you blame them with the way they are constantly being FUDded themselves by a few in Monero team and supporters? Do we really need that kind of crap when Bytecoin is trading for less than a Satoshi? What the fuck were they expecting throwing stones on mud like on a constant basis. Enough is enough.

tacotime needs to take over. It is about time. Let them come to Monero on their own and they will.

[DiamondCardz]

The only thing this sort of threads will result in, is a general distaste to even go to the one cryptocurrency nexus on the web - btct itself. I'm actually disgusted by the attempts at "proof" "presented" on Monero here.
I've many times said I'm disgusted but now I really know what that saying means.

Since noone else says it out straight, I'll do it - up yours, fudding, paid shills. For the forums and Monero, really - UP YOURS. Disgusting.

I agree. The amount of shit said in Alternate cryptocurrencies leaves a stain on the forums. I'll say it right here, it is very fucking annoying and anyone who shills against other coins to try and maximize their profit off a coin they invested in shouldn't be surprised that the majority of the users on bitcointalk hate this section and want it removed.