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September 07, 2014, 09:23:57 PM
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many thanks James for the explanation, one thing I would like to know, I see troll everywhere. Where are they coming from, I am not talking about the trolls that talk bad or good of a coin just to bring the value up or down to make some money, I am talking about the Virus Trolls one is installed in a forum it does not leave and day after day attack the owner of the coin and the coin itself? why...its like he want to destroy the coin...does it do for pleasure? or someone pay him/her? Are big tycoon people involved so crypto does not take over big finantial intitutions like banks etc...who are these awfull trolls?  it seems there is always one troll dedicated in each forum to destroy the coin, Are all these trolls paid by banks, Secret Police, Goverments etc  who are day?
there does seem to be some sort of organized campaign to create troubles for all of crypto.
let us think who can benefit from the problems of all the altcoins

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September 07, 2014, 09:25:48 PM
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how much btc collected?

is there or will there be place where we can see some updates on amount of BTC collected and Tokens sold regularly?
Would be cool.

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September 07, 2014, 10:44:06 PM
Last edit: September 08, 2014, 01:07:38 AM by Nxtblg
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... how much of your one asset is owned by another asset. ie answer the ponzi query clearly. --> Or do you want me to dig up info which you should be having already?
You are using a word that is indicating fraud, this I take offense at. Now the ponzi is an unsustainable system where the existing owners are paid by the new buyers and the only way this can keep working is to always get new buyers. I didnt bother to answer your accusation of fraud as this is nonsensical when applied to my assets. James

Okay, I'm going to step in at this point. Granted that I'm not that skilled tech-wise, but I do have a double life that includes some familiarity with the basic mechanics of publicly-traded companies.

What James is implementing, in part, has been a standard corporate reorganization technique for - at the minimum - ninety years. In part, the UNITY asset is analogous to a holding company.

Quote from: La Wik
A holding company is a company or firm that owns other companies' outstanding stock. The term usually refers to a company that does not produce goods or services itself; rather, its purpose is to own shares of other companies to form a corporate group. Holding companies allow the reduction of risk for the owners and can allow the ownership and control of a number of different companies....

[Note: I used "analogous to" because I'd rather not play a securities lawyer on the Internet.]

@trythisnow: I'm a little like you in that I earlier played auditor on the Internet, although under circumstances that were a lot more pressing than yours a/o the here & now. If you must play auditor, would it hurt too much if you took a day to bone up on how things are done by the real thing?

EDIT: @trythisnow: Thanks a lot for calming down! Smiley






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September 07, 2014, 10:56:14 PM
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If you read this thread and I think the other investors would prefer that you spend an hour reading the thread than me spending two hours responding to questions...
James

It doesn't hurt that much, really. Funny...I spent a full day doing the due diligence for this project, until I was privately satisfied, but I only threw ~two hundred and fifty bucks into it.






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September 07, 2014, 11:32:23 PM
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How does a coin get added?
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September 07, 2014, 11:35:04 PM
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If you read this thread and I think the other investors would prefer that you spend an hour reading the thread than me spending two hours responding to questions...
James

It doesn't hurt that much, really. Funny...I spent a full day doing the due diligence for this project, until I was privately satisfied, but I only threw ~two hundred and fifty bucks into it.

Interesting. I studied JL777s work, performance and personality for 8 months. I bought 10k tokens.

Maybe there's a coorelation between time and investment? Smiley
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September 07, 2014, 11:42:07 PM
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I have watched your posts for more that 10 months and disagreed with most of them, but I bought a lot of Token also : -) So I was surprised and heartened  your original posting of 10k : -)
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September 08, 2014, 12:24:38 AM
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If you read this thread and I think the other investors would prefer that you spend an hour reading the thread than me spending two hours responding to questions...
James

It doesn't hurt that much, really. Funny...I spent a full day doing the due diligence for this project, until I was privately satisfied, but I only threw ~two hundred and fifty bucks into it.

Interesting. I studied JL777s work, performance and personality for 8 months. I bought 10k tokens.

Maybe there's a coorelation between time and investment? Smiley

10k tokens?  Shocked
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September 08, 2014, 12:35:02 AM
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10k tokens?  Shocked

NXT-JJEY-TWBC-6QAY-4H67A holds 21001 tokens  (& 13 NEMStake) Cheesy

http://blocks.nxtcrypto.org/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=2599861004433637790&switch=200
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September 08, 2014, 12:39:22 AM
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Hey,

awesome work happening here, i like it and if i had more time would catch up on the whole thread.

i have come across some information re the term superNET, being a trademark registered in NZ owned by vodafone, not sure if its a global trademark, or if it has implications in the work that is being done here ... 

link to the site if interested in checking ... http://www.vodafone.co.nz/our-networks/

watching keenly for the results of the superNET project.


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September 08, 2014, 12:44:11 AM
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Hey,

awesome work happening here, i like it and if i had more time would catch up on the whole thread.

i have come across some information re the term superNET, being a trademark registered in NZ owned by vodafone, not sure if its a global trademark, or if it has implications in the work that is being done here ... 

link to the site if interested in checking ... http://www.vodafone.co.nz/our-networks/

watching keenly for the results of the superNET project.




further investigation is that they don't yet own it in NZ, just using misleading advertising displaying as fact ... trademarks office has expired ownership from TV company sky ...



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September 08, 2014, 12:47:57 AM
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I know James holds at least 10 NEMstake as part of jl777holdings. Could it be his?

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XEM: NBT6RQ-B2K3DN-EB3BDF-TUE3FT-SBDCJJ-L4PCX5-GKL6
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September 08, 2014, 01:04:33 AM
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I know James holds at least 10 NEMstake as part of jl777holdings. Could it be his?

no no it's not his, it's buybitcoincanada's
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September 08, 2014, 01:19:06 AM
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If you read this thread and I think the other investors would prefer that you spend an hour reading the thread than me spending two hours responding to questions...
James

It doesn't hurt that much, really. Funny...I spent a full day doing the due diligence for this project, until I was privately satisfied, but I only threw ~two hundred and fifty bucks into it.

Interesting. I studied JL777s work, performance and personality for 8 months. I bought 10k tokens.

Maybe there's a coorelation between time and investment? Smiley

Now that you mention it...there at least should be. I'm sure it's the case for VC operations, mutual funds and other institutional investors wrt lil' ol' me, but that's largely because they're held to special performance standards due to laws & regulations applied specifically to them as professionals. If they don't put in a lot of careful work, they can be hauled into a court of law or even charged with a crime nowadays.

In the ordinary individual-investor world? I don't know. Back in the days when I was plowing around in the penny-stock market, I would commit thousands of $ on a stock on no more than basic due diligence and a hunch. My father, he once bought [redacted for privacy] shares of a big Canadian bank back in late '08 or early '09 solely on the basis that said back was a "good credit" - his phrase. And he's made out rather well!

Trouble is that two-word phrase encompasses a lot of tacit knowledge...decades' worth, in fact. 

So there you go. You exposed me as a pedant who likes to jump into rabbit holes. Smiley






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September 08, 2014, 01:35:59 AM
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I've been gone for a while but coming back I'm happy to see NXT is bringing something new to the table. 2.0 Crypto like Bitshares and NXT aren't against the idea of innovation in the way the Bitcoin Devs seem to be. I'll read up on this SuperNet and then give my thoughts.
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September 08, 2014, 02:03:17 AM
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Hey James,

Is the plan to distribute future revenues to the supernet holders by paying dividends through the NXT asset exchange?

if so, instead of distributing the future revenue as dividends to Supernet holders, have you thought about providing a buy support on the exchange instead?

This would really help interms of avoiding supernet being classified as 'securities'.

As per the  Securities and Exchange Act of 1934 , "The term 'security' means any note, stock, treasury stock, bond, debenture, certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement".



So instead of paying dividends, if instead a buy support on the exchange was used, then that would help everyone to step around the definition of securities with respect to Supernet.


Curious to hear your thoughts on this?  

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September 08, 2014, 02:13:39 AM
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I think the NXT community is the most innovative in the whole Altcoin space hands down  Grin Grin
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September 08, 2014, 02:26:24 AM
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Hey James,

Is the plan to distribute future revenues to the supernet holders by paying dividends through the NXT asset exchange?

if so, instead of distributing the future revenue as dividends to Supernet holders, have you thought about providing a buy support on the exchange instead?

This would really help interms of avoiding supernet being classified as 'securities'.

As per the  Securities and Exchange Act of 1934 , "The term 'security' means any note, stock, treasury stock, bond, debenture, certificate of interest or participation in any profit-sharing agreement".



So instead of paying dividends, if instead a buy support on the exchange was used, then that would help everyone to step around the definition of securities with respect to Supernet.


Curious to hear your thoughts on this?  
Initially it would be pushed through as dividend, so as NXT or mgwBTC assets. Next year I want to go to an on-demand gift cash out where anybody can receive their accrued gifts. So, we need a way to track each accounts gifts

if it only had NAV this would work
but with the revenue sharing, where is the buy support?
where does the capital come from?
remember it is being sold at 101% of book value, so any PE or PS or dividend ratio valuation that is above book value is good, but the SuperNET wont have the capital to do this.

Now, the revenue producing part of the SuperNET is not being paid for, so how about this!

There will be a NAV bid to provide liquidity for people. This is what the sharkfund0 does. Everytime the NAV is changing by a meaningful amount I calculate the NAV and update the bid/ask spread. This allows anyone that needs to a way to convert to BTC whenever they needed to at NAV. It will also put a floor on the floating market price, which shoud trade at the market's expected future valuation discounted by risk factors.

So, yes, this is a very good idea! I like it and dont know why I didnt think of it. I dont think it exactly fits into any specific spending authority so we would need to get a vote to ratify this floor. Essentially it will be a nearly infinite buy wall at the NAV, probably only in BTC. Now the traders dont have to worry about it going below the NAV!

So this is making for a much more stable situation, I believe all will be happy.

Now for the silly USA rules that causes much headaches. I claim that since the investors didnt pay for any of the assets that any revenues from the assets are simply gifts from me to all the SuperNET holders. So, it is not profit sharing, aha! the wording says "profit-sharing", but it is actually revenue sharing. Further it is a revenue sharing gift.

I hope this is making it safe for you in the USA. I imagine there is no such thing as a gift based on revenue sharing, so I am hopefully it is not outlawed yet. If you find that USA regs do not allow you to own the TOKEN, please do not buy them. I want to make sure that we are following all of the proper rules.

so please see if there are any problems with a NAV based investment where you are getting a gift based on revenues, maybe this is like those kitchen appliance gifts that you are getting for making a deposit?

I hope this helps

James

P.S. In any case you are not supposed to be expecting any gifts! So there is no problem until the revenues are flowing.

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September 08, 2014, 02:39:01 AM
Last edit: September 08, 2014, 03:22:07 AM by jl777
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Beyond Bitcoin summarizes jl777 recent musings today, kind of like an audiobook.

Starts at 39:40

http://letstalkbitcoin.com/blog/post/beyond-bitcoin-13-one-to-rule-them-all

http://www.coinssource.com/supernets-coin-offering-raises-over-2000-bitcoins-hours/

http://www.digitalcatallaxy.com/report2015.html
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