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December 22, 2015, 06:27:32 PM
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Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.

Sure, it's an easy irony to point out.  People aren't usually so careful on internet forums so that's really the explanation.  I have an ad in my signature, yet I agree with the OP that sig-ad spam is a problem.  I'd like to think that I'm not contributing to that problem because I don't post just to get paid and I report problematic posts when I see them.  In any case, the world is a rich and varied place, and many of us agree that sig-ad spam is terrible, yet we like to get paid for our own posts.  I think that strictly speaking, this means that I disagree with the OP because I don't want signatures removed as in delete, disable, gone.  Yet, I do agree about the problem and I want to see things get better, not worse.
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December 22, 2015, 06:59:39 PM
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Most of everyone in this thread is saying they agree with OP while having a campaign in their signature. I don't understand.

Sure, it's an easy irony to point out.  People aren't usually so careful on internet forums so that's really the explanation.  I have an ad in my signature, yet I agree with the OP that sig-ad spam is a problem.  I'd like to think that I'm not contributing to that problem because I don't post just to get paid and I report problematic posts when I see them.  In any case, the world is a rich and varied place, and many of us agree that sig-ad spam is terrible, yet we like to get paid for our own posts.  I think that strictly speaking, this means that I disagree with the OP because I don't want signatures removed as in delete, disable, gone.  Yet, I do agree about the problem and I want to see things get better, not worse.
We can't blame signature campaigns that this is happening because they have no control over that. It provides the resources to let it happen though but I'm fine with that.
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December 23, 2015, 08:58:07 PM
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I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here.

Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.

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December 23, 2015, 11:06:42 PM
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I bootstrapped my ignore list using DannyHamilton's ignore list, and the result is that 80%-90% of the posts are no longer shown. While that goes a long way towards reducing the time needed to trudge through pages of pointless comments, it also shows how little value there actually is here.

Please don't hate me for saying this, but I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.

this is just my pov.
not necessarily, reddit has the hivemind mentality where the unpopular opinions get downvoted en masse and are possibly never even seen to a good portion of the comment readers. the popular opinions (obviously) are voted to the top and will be the only 'discussion' thats visible to the great majority of readers that dont bother going through more than a few comments. the echo chamber that results from this doesnt make for actual discussion, where ideas are thrown around and refuted / agreed on. this doesnt happen all the time of course, but a point system that makes comments more or less visible is just bad for actual discussion / debate. then again, its been a while since ive browsed reddit comments.
of course, you probably wont see this post because of DH's ignore list though.

there's nothing here. message me if you want to put something here.
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December 24, 2015, 03:38:28 AM
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I think Reddit (even with all it's insanity) has now surpassed this site as a source of useful information and discussion.

I've never really used reddit.  I've tried to check it out a couple of times but it just doesn't seem to click with the way my mind organizes things.  I may give it another try.

I'm giving careful consideration to taking a serious break from bitcoin discussion in 2016.  This forum has become just barely interesting anymore, and the effort to find the discussions worth participating in doesn't really seem worth it.  Life is getting busy, and the noise to signal ratio is so bad here that I don't really feel like anything I have to say makes much of a difference.

I'll still peek in on "Development & Technical Discussion" and "Technical Support" just so I keep aware of any new developments, and I'll stay subscribed to the mailing lists, but I may not maintain my ignore list or bother posting here much anymore.

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December 26, 2015, 12:08:55 PM
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?
You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
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December 26, 2015, 01:46:10 PM
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?
You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
Yes, that is pretty ignorant and absurd request. Banning someone just because he/she has paid signature is the most ridiculous thing you can do.
If you really want to see if this forum will be pristine clear and spam free I suggest forum Staff 'pause' all signature campaigns for 1 month.
After that time you will see for yourself if spamming ceased and all that left are intelligent and meaningful posts and smart people.


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December 26, 2015, 02:28:29 PM
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Just perm ban anyone with a paid signature, that would clean things up.
Why do they need to perma ban those people who have a paid signature?
You think it will be the best solution for what's happening right now?
I think it is not a good solution.
Yes, that is pretty ignorant and absurd request. Banning someone just because he/she has paid signature is the most ridiculous thing you can do.
If you really want to see if this forum will be pristine clear and spam free I suggest forum Staff 'pause' all signature campaigns for 1 month.
After that time you will see for yourself if spamming ceased and all that left are intelligent and meaningful posts and smart people.

The high quality posters are the far minority here. They mostly consider 90% of the non-technical posters here to add nothing with value. Their standards are simply too high for the time that we are currently in. Bitcoin attracts people, the majority of them don't know much about the technical aspects of Bitcoin. And the others are looking to make a quick buck and spam the speculation section with unrealitic high predictions, etc. What can you do about this when paid signature campaigns are not allowed anymore? Nothing more than what is currently happening.

Getting rid of signature campaigns will decrease the amount of nonsense posts here, but it won't do much in terms of improving post quality once paid signatures are gone. The majority of the discussions are relatively low of quality, and will stay relatively low of quality.

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December 26, 2015, 03:01:54 PM
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The high quality posters are the far minority here. They mostly consider 90% of the non-technical posters here to add nothing with value. Their standards are simply too high for the time that we are currently in. Bitcoin attracts people, the majority of them don't know much about the technical aspects of Bitcoin. And the others are looking to make a quick buck and spam the speculation section with unrealitic high predictions, etc. What can you do about this when paid signature campaigns are not allowed anymore? Nothing more than what is currently happening.
I don't mind people asking technical questions; I dislike people who fail to use the search function and create duplicate threads. The problem ATM is reposting what has been said already (but formulated in their own words) and the off-topic section. Those daily threads about drinks and whatnot are really useless spam. Also "vs" threads would be better if they had polls instead of everyone (majority) posting their subjective views and thus reducing the overall quality of the posts around here.

Getting rid of signature campaigns will decrease the amount of nonsense posts here, but it won't do much in terms of improving post quality once paid signatures are gone. The majority of the discussions are relatively low of quality, and will stay relatively low of quality.
I disagree. Once there is no incentive for spam, most of the spam will be gone.

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December 26, 2015, 03:05:48 PM
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I don't mind people asking technical questions; I dislike people who fail to use the search function


You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!
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December 26, 2015, 03:09:10 PM
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You are wrong here Lauda. People do not use search function because the search function does not allow you to search multiple times and you will have to wait for 50 seconds before searching again. So they start a new thread without wasting their time for waiting for 50 more seconds!
So, you're saying that people would rather wait several hours to have someone post an answer which has already been posted rather than waiting 50 seconds to get the same answer? Nice excuse, at least you tried.
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December 26, 2015, 03:10:26 PM
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The reality is that very helpful forum posters such as @DannyHamilton are talking about leaving (with many others having already left as Danny has a lot more patience than most people) and unfortunately his sage advice will be replaced by many stupid suggestions from useless posters (that could actually cause people to lose Bitcoin) just to increase their post count for financial reward.

I pretty much now only post in the more technical areas of this forum and don't post so much at all (like Danny I am thinking to pay much less attention to following the forum in 2016).

It is disappointing to some of us more seasoned forum members that this is what has happened but "c'est la vie" I guess that soon anyone actually wanting "technical advice" about Bitcoin will steer clear of this forum and look elsewhere (that would pretty much be my advice to anyone asking me about where to find good technical information about Bitcoin now).

Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).

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December 26, 2015, 08:31:44 PM
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I'll still peek in on "Development & Technical Discussion" and "Technical Support" just so I keep aware of any new developments, and I'll stay subscribed to the mailing lists, but I may not maintain my ignore list or bother posting here much anymore.

anyway, I used the list for pretty long time and thanks for your endless work on it. I had same feeling as you have tbh. My impression is, that only non-paid posts (so disabled ads) may improve quality of whole board. Until this moment, we will have repetitive bullshit, useless replies and endless threads about nothing..
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December 27, 2015, 06:55:22 AM
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anyway, I used the list for pretty long time and thanks for your endless work on it.
For some reason, I seem to be on the list for the last two months, even though I had replaced my paid sig with one of my "funny" message everyday.
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Like it or not the very purpose of this forum is now for people to earn micropayments through posting (no matter how poor quality the posts are).

Well even if I do agree that the quality of the forum is going low, choosing between the two is a hard decision:
1) Disable paid signature, lose 1000s of users coming for getting paid by them, lose pretty much all of the ad revenue/traffic stats as well.
2) Let things be, or maybe , lower the criteria for getting banned. Lose the respected member slowly, but nearly no difference in ad revenues/traffic stats.

P.S: Anyone who has Danny's ignore list, will ofc, not see this post
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Locking because nothing is happening about this and the last several pages are just people looking for a place to post for their sig campaign
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