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December 11, 2015, 05:06:47 AM
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Maybe you could add a floating reference mark to the shift graph that indicates where the pool's 5N is and auto updates at each new 6hour shift interval key.

there already is a red line.. all the shifts above that are in the 5N range.
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December 11, 2015, 05:15:08 AM
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Maybe you could add a floating reference mark to the shift graph that indicates where the pool's 5N is and auto updates at each new 6hour shift interval key.
Nope. It's not a simple "N hrs" ago.
The problem is that the 5Nd is back to the shift that first includes 5Nd (or more) shares.
The number of shares changes (currently) 883 times a second (and shifts average somewhere around 40minutes)
When ckdb does a payout generation, it locks all the tables related and counts back and does all that processing (and stores it in the database)
The locking I have implemented in most of ckdb is table based, so at the moment, to do that calculation every time anyone views a page that wants to know it, is not going to happen.

I do have a todo item to actually do that calculation at the pool level every time a share is submitted, where it would be a quick delta adjustment of new data to be able to determine the current (right now) 5Nd shift - of course that's not going to be used for payouts, but used for display porpoises.
I would also allow me to estimate your payout as at 'now' if I also did the same at a per user level.
No that's not done yet, and it isn't at the top of the todo list.

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December 11, 2015, 05:16:29 AM
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Maybe you could add a floating reference mark to the shift graph that indicates where the pool's 5N is and auto updates at each new 6hour shift interval key.

there already is a red line.. all the shifts above that are in the 5N range.

Heh, actually almost Smiley
That's the last payout which goes from the last block at the top down to the red line.
So yeah it does show how long the last payout 5Nd is.

As does the Rewards page for all previous payouts.

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December 11, 2015, 05:24:56 AM
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Maybe you could add a floating reference mark to the shift graph that indicates where the pool's 5N is and auto updates at each new 6hour shift interval key.

there already is a red line.. all the shifts above that are in the 5N range.


Yup, that is mostly correct from the way I view it. (See Kano's post for the actual way it works Smiley)
Go to the shifts page and it states to click here to jump to the start of the last payout.

I enjoy scrolling down that page and seeing how bad this pool crushes PPS pools. It is one of the best things that has been added to the front end. I don't think I have seen higher than a 9 for the number of times a share was paid.
That is 168.34 % of a PPS pool.
This number has been 6,7, or 8 consistently for a good while now. Those numbers mean that share has been paid that many times for a block find.

I know some people are simply worried about when they are fully ramped up, I've been there.
Some people are trying to figure out the best time to leave and come back, I have been there too.
Some people are really trying hard to figure out the best way to game the pool. Do I leave right after the block is found for a few hours and come back, or leave 3 hours here, 4 hours there, and come back to maintain my highest payout, etc

The best way, is not to leave. Unless there are some GAW like payouts for rentals this is the place to be. Set it, and forget it.
I remember CK telling me that one day and I thought come on man, there must be a way, but he was / is right.

Why is he right, in simple terms?
In my opinion because of past luck and the pool and db code.

The only pools who can compete on a technical level are pools running the same code. It is that simple. Other pools have unfair ramp downs. Other pools run other software which cannot compete. When you are on this pool if all things are equal there is no contest even when the hashrate was 1.2 PH versus what we have today. Sure the payouts took longer, but they were much larger. The variance was higher. However the luck maintains. Just look at the current luck for all blocks, we are still maintaining 102%.

No one touches it.

Set your backup or throw a couple of lotto miners over to ck solo pool and take a chance. You still have the fantastic software base of ckpool, the same lack of orphans, but it is more of a gamble because you are solo mining.

The code is faster, cleaner, and not weighed down. There are amazingly fast servers located in convenient geographical spots.

These guys made the code which runs on the miner, and the code which runs on their pools. Again, simply, these are facts no one can deny with anything but noise, because the proof is right there in the numbers for anyone to verify.

As we move closer to the halving we will see more miners and pools struggling to maintain any resemblance to what we have here.

When someone asks me about the ramp up now, or wants to play with their local difficulty setting I tell them the same thing CK told me. Don't touch anything, use the defaults, and leave it alone.
It is truly, the only way to fly.

Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function.
Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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December 11, 2015, 05:40:56 AM
Last edit: December 11, 2015, 06:48:38 AM by hurricandave
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My idea was based on the fact that the shift graph already carries a time key at the bottom that divides the day into 6hr intervals ( 6/0700, 6/1500, 6/2300, 7/0700) realizing that 5Nd  is not time based. Computing it continually is resource intense. But Flagging with color a particular shift line in the "Graph" that is relevant/persistent only 4 times a day wouldn't be much of a step up from the redline in the shift page while presenting/maintaining a visual Que someone could reference against submitted hashrate. (Assuming the Shift Graph continues to be longer than the pools 5Nd)

edit: my first payout at Kano- 328234 171S1TrHRm6n7WG8GRjZr3YQUCGvENgxiK   0.00166994 FWIW.
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December 11, 2015, 07:05:35 AM
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Yay got one Avalon A6 (thanks Avalon!)My high price electricity is about to cut in (in 5 minutes) .......

I want one, well I want lots of them haha Shame you aren't local as I'd donate my electric. I need to invest in some more miners but the price seems to be a lot higher than it was a month ago for second hand kit. I picked up a number of S1's for about £20 each and narrowly missed out on some neptunes for only couple of hundred Sad

Anybody know of any kit that's cheap £ per Hash? or shall I just keep scouting around on ebay? or pony up for some new kit  Undecided
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December 11, 2015, 10:12:18 AM
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Yeah the graph code doesn't have a function to mark an independent point or shade an area - I'll have to add that and draw/shade the last payout range - that should be a smaller change and more likely for me to get it done in the near future Smiley

Meanwhile ... yay both A6s up and running ok first go, now powering a tiny 7+T at the pool all weekend (it's Fri night here now)
Avalon FTW Cheesy

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... and something of relevance to everyone mining.
-ck and I have made comments about block change performance and related things.
The main related thing of course for any pool being orphan rates.
As probably everyone knows I've also had a lot to say about SPV and Empty blocks.

Well as of today kano.is is now doing block changes as fast as or within 200ms of 2 SPV pools (BTCC and F2pool china) but the one fastest SPV pool
(as of last 80 blocks stats run by someone else)
solo is still a little faster than kano.is (250ms faster)

So rest assured that, although orphans are not something that can be completely avoided (and are random) our kano.is is doing block changes that are faster than any of the "Empty block" pools by quite a margin and almost as fast as the SPV pools ... all without risking the bitcoin network by SPV mining and without delaying transactions unnecessarily by producing empty blocks

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December 11, 2015, 10:27:07 AM
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Good to hear on this issue, if only empty blocks were considered invalid by the rest of the network it would do a great service to bitcoin, it seems SPV and empty blocks can only harm it, and only do good short term for the greedy pool operators (and miners) wallet while hurting the whole ecosystem big time..

Empty and invalidly based blocks should be discarded by rest of network, anyway to get such a proposal to the protocol or does it not matter since the chinese control such a large portion of the hashrate and network ?
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December 11, 2015, 10:37:56 AM
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Well you can't exactly disallow empty blocks on the network anyway.
There's a number of rare circumstances that can produce work that will produce an empty block.

Heh, even here the other day when I had a problem with CKDB for a few hours, that was caused by the fact that my CKDB code didn't actually allow an empty block (I didn't code it that way on purpose, it was just a side effect of how I handled the merkle tree array)

I created empty block work for ckpool by restarting bitcoind and at the time it was first available, ckpool asked for work and it had no transactions.
The rest after that was me dealing with finding the exact cause in my ckdb code and fixing it once I realised it was indeed an empty block that caused it. Yeah that hasn't ever happened before on the pool Cheesy

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December 11, 2015, 11:45:05 AM
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Gotta say the Best thing i did was to switch over to this pool.!

Only been here 5 days or so, and its already better Then all the other pools i tried.

Now we just Need evryone Else to do the same thing  Cheesy



Edit: and if you or anyone Else find A solution to point my asictubes at this pool it would be great Grin ck hasnt answered my post yet so got no clue if its possible some other way.
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December 11, 2015, 12:27:46 PM
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Edit: and if you or anyone Else find A solution to point my asictubes at this pool it would be great Grin ck hasnt answered my post yet so got no clue if its possible some other way.
I'd need someone to come onto irc and help me debug it live by aiming one at a testserver where I'd play with some settings till we got it right to figure out what they need.

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December 11, 2015, 12:33:04 PM
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I Got 2 controllers, so can point them at 2 different places where ever you want them. They Are just turned OFF atm..
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December 11, 2015, 12:50:44 PM
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Payout 387752 sent about 1.5 hours ago
5819e053783aa9ef768a9fa3d76da7cc6a1e86104fd485838101c8d47b5765c9
But still not confirmed yet

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December 11, 2015, 01:02:37 PM
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I wonder what is the reason some nodes reject this?  There were about 10 block for last 1.5 hours but nobody included this.. Some nodes like blockchain.info rejects this  because of >250 outputs. What is the problem with 250 qty? Or just a wish..?

http://blockr.io/zerotx/info/5819e053783aa9ef768a9fa3d76da7cc6a1e86104fd485838101c8d47b5765c9

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December 11, 2015, 01:07:23 PM
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It usually confirms quickly.
'usually'
But sometimes takes a while due to lotsa txns on the network
(and I pretty much always set the txn fee to 0.001, subtracted from my mining payout)

Edit: oh, it's also in our block work, so if we find a block that will usually confirm it also, if it hasn't already been confirmed.

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December 11, 2015, 01:11:41 PM
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No any probs with confirmation delay, just wondering why it was not included with 0.001 fee in those 10+ blocks

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December 11, 2015, 01:13:58 PM
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Maybe the chinese pool operators have acted upon their threats and have blacklisted Kano pools payouts as well as the "not building on your blocks" threat they made earlier:D

Seems like a conspiracy to me Cheesy
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December 11, 2015, 01:19:24 PM
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blacklisted Kano pools payouts as well as the "not building on your blocks"

I missed that part. I thought they were just no longer to SPV mine here (even though Kano blocked their IP's) or was that the part when they said they would only build on it once its part of the block?


EDIT: looked back at Kanos coloured post and can see where it was mentioned. Does that mean some other pool has to do it first and only then will f2pool accept it? seems a bit wrong or a lot wrong actually.
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December 11, 2015, 01:28:59 PM
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blacklisted Kano pools payouts as well as the "not building on your blocks"

I missed that part. I thought they were just no longer to SPV mine here (even though Kano blocked their IP's) or was that the part when they said they would only build on it once its part of the block?


EDIT: looked back at Kanos coloured post and can see where it was mentioned. Does that mean some other pool has to do it first and only then will f2pool accept it? seems a bit wrong or a lot wrong actually.

Exactly!  F2pool and Antpool are just giant children throwing temper tantrums, hurting Bitcoin, and hurting pools that follow the rules.
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December 11, 2015, 01:34:35 PM
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Does that mean some other pool has to do it first and only then will f2pool accept it? seems a bit wrong or a lot wrong actually.

If I understand correctly this transaction is going to take a while due to several things..

F2Pool doesn't want to process Kano transactions/blocks and mines empty blocks.
Antpool mines empty blocks
BW.com mines empty blocks.

I did see some new blocks with transactions from Antpool and BW so should that transaction have been included in one of those? (e.g. 387867  or  387865 )
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