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[thedreamer]

Let me be the first to say we don't give a hoot about your water or village.
We care that it just works the way it is and don't need unnecessary complications or changes because you are unhappy how others mine here.
If u don't like it start your own pool or go to another one.

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[SergES]

Today luckyant found block with 3.2 PTh? I have seen that Pool stats.

[sorry2xs]

Let me be the first to say we don't give a hoot about your water or village.
We care that it just works the way it is and don't need unnecessary complications or changes because you are unhappy how others mine here.
If u don't like it start your own pool or go to another one.

I would like to second the above mentioned post!!!

[Nuttycoins]

Let me be the first to say we don't give a hoot about your water or village.
We care that it just works the way it is and don't need unnecessary complications or changes because you are unhappy how others mine here.
If u don't like it start your own pool or go to another one.

Fine I will be quiet, surely didn't intend to start a bunch or haters was just throwing it out for discussion on ways to reduce gaming the system.

I was actually hoping someone could give me a valid reason why this wouldn't work...   Other then it is perfect the way it is, despite obvious signs there are abuses.

[kano]

Heh I finally finished writing what I was gonna post and it answers your last post at the last line

...

Yeah I guess you usually can't 'game' a system that mathematically provably punishes people for not having a miner that works 100% of the time.
But as I've mentioned before I'm not interested in trying to come up with a system that does that either.
For whatever reason someone leaves the pool, I really don't like the idea of saying "Ha! Your shares are less worthy now"

Block finding is random.
No one can determine in advance when they will find a block.
No hash is more worthy of being rewarded than any other hash (unless they are the hash for a block )
One hash, every so often, finds a block and that is distributed (being a 'pool') on the basis that each hash in the N that was trying to find it is just as worthy as the others.

What actually happened today is quite relevant to all this rambling
Today, one of our top miners went offline.
(should he be punished because of that? I'm sure he'd be pissed if the payout system did that)
A large hash rate failed over to here for a VERY short while during that also
(You'll notice the pool graph hit over 6PH for a shift)
While that was here for that short time, it found a block. Yay!
100s later our current top miner canaan, found a block. Yay!
You may also notice that canaan doesn't stay at the top all the time.
I've no idea what the reason is (that their hash rate goes up and down), but they supply a lot of hashing power to the pool and certainly keep the total pool hash rate average up.

I don't want to be telling either of those block finders that their hash rate isn't as worthy as anyone else's ...

Edit: added that italics in case it wasn't obvious

[Nuttycoins]

I don't want to be telling either of those block finders that their hash rate isn't as worthy as anyone else's ...

Really don't see how I am doing that at all...  exactly opposite.

Get your goals and respect them.    Thanks for your pool and efforts.

[kano]

Well ... the miner who found the first of the 2 blocks ... hopped in for a short while, found a block, then hopped back out.

Edit: and yay the long term one who dropped out many many hours ago is back and our rate is back up

[Nuttycoins]

Well ... the miner who found the first of the 2 blocks ... hopped in for a short while, found a block, then hopped back out.

Yes, that was very sweet...    Don't understand though why someone that HUGE would even use a pool at all..   I mean, you give your software away....   Or maybe he was popping over from your software on a reboot of his server.

[Mikestang]

Uhmmm...THERE'S Your BACK..2..Back!!!

That's a sure fire way to avoid an orphan, solve the very next block and included the previous solve in it!  Well done, kano.is!

Don't understand though why someone that HUGE would even use a pool at all..

Bitmain uses a pool and look how HUGE they are.  Pools reduce variance, it almost always makes more financial sense to mine in a pool.

[bctmke]

We've been on a roll recently.  More blocks please!!

As to Nutty's conversation, I appreciate where you're coming from but at this pool in Kano's eyes - everyone is worth the same since they all contributed.  I don't mind it and wouldn't mind it if I had the least hash or the most.  I'm just happy to have a place where the owner is open / transparent and more than willing to explain his way of thinking when asked.

[-ck]

@ck - On a serious note, very nice.  Guess I'll have to work on one-upping you later on to get Eligius back to the top of that list while still doing full validation

Don't worry, when I remove the 0txn blockchange templates shortly you can move ahead in marketing once more - but if you're still behind then, especially considering my entire pool and bitcoind run on a 4 vcpu 4Gb ram vps...

Nah, it'll be fine.  Presumably you'd be back at work change speeds at least about where kano is now, which is behind me on average.  I still have a hundred ms or so of speedup possible with my proxy, too, that I haven't had time to code.

As long as my changes are on par with the top full-validating pools, I don't really care much.  I'm not into marketing.

Solo is back to creating full sized blocks on blockchanges (up to 1MB). Kano doesn't have half the code I used on solo but he has MUCH more horsepower at his disposal.

Latest optimisations I added to solo should embarrass every true pool which does full verification now and non-empty block generation. I'll slowly channel the changes to kano after confirming code safety too...

[kano]

... and just to point out about the earlier eloipool comment in there ...
kano.is is above them on the pool block change comparison and has stayed that way for a while
(full available txn blocks here on a block change vs always empty blocks at eloipool on a block change)

Payouts 386502 and 386503 sent
82b7642ae22d87408c7b613cf1ba76cc88a48c1b40be75310e0793e8ee66bce3
fdf87d0c358a856e323fddcab8e2fb0ce98b56173271c8a6ecc050379d040055
and confirmed

[bctmke]

... and just to point out about the earlier eloipool comment in there ...
kano.is is above them on the pool block change comparison and has stayed that way for a while
(full available txn blocks here on a block change vs always empty blocks at eloipool on a block change)

Payouts 386502 and 386503 sent
82b7642ae22d87408c7b613cf1ba76cc88a48c1b40be75310e0793e8ee66bce3
fdf87d0c358a856e323fddcab8e2fb0ce98b56173271c8a6ecc050379d040055
and confirmed

Thanks for the updates Kano

[o_solo_miner]

just a word on the payoutsystem from me:
I stop mining now on Kano because of the electricity price I got.
Yet, I still receive a payout, every block a little less.
Let me say, I am verry happy with that system and yes, I also needed
time and read what kano writes to understand what's behind it.
If somebody want a change, go to the pool where ist is as you like it.

Thank you Kano for your Pool! If the sun is out here again in the next year, my solar will power the
miner and I am back @ Kano.is

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Yes, I still try to get a block on ck.solo for shure.

[kano]

just a word on the payoutsystem from me:
I stop mining now on Kano because of the electricity price I got.
Yet, I still receive a payout, every block a little less.
Let me say, I am verry happy with that system and yes, I also needed
time and read what kano writes to understand what's behind it.
If somebody want a change, go to the pool where ist is as you like it.

Thank you Kano for your Pool! If the sun is out here again in the next year, my solar will power the
miner and I am back @ Kano.is

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Yes, I still try to get a block on ck.solo for shure.

Yeah the last payout (386503) was:

Code:

PPLNS Wanted: 363,613,903,212.7
PPLNS Used: 364,000,750,084.0
Elapsed Time: 7d 22hr 5m 22s
Network Difficulty: 72722780642.547180

i.e. any shares in that range got another reward.

(Edit: actually thanks to the luck of 386503 being so quick, it rewarded back to the same shift as 386502 did, so any shares back in that range got 2 more rewards, one from 386503 and one from 386502 - of course shares in the shift that found 386503 were after 386502 and only got 1 of those 2 rewards)

That's getting shorter now with the higher pool hash rate - thanks to canaan
Since of course the 5Nd+ shares arrive faster with a higher hash rate.
But that also means the average expected block time is shorter also.
Yep it all evens out statistically, just can't control that random block finding part of the luck

[pj40]

Woohoo!  Block!

[RealMalatesta]

Woohoo!  Block!

Good... Christmas is coming...

[clgrissom3]

I step out of the house for 30 minutes and the pool hits a block!  I guess I should step out more often 

[RealMalatesta]

I step out of the house for 30 minutes and the pool hits a block!  I guess I should step out more often 

As long as you stepped out for eating some chicken... no problem.

[clgrissom3]

I step out of the house for 30 minutes and the pool hits a block!  I guess I should step out more often 

As long as you stepped out for eating some chicken... no problem.

Actually I did step out to pick up some herb roasted chicken...that is too funny!