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I have dust from mining here going back almost 2 years, it's a little over 0.01btc at the moment. 18 months ago that was 'worthless', but today it's not. I sent Kano an email and got a timely response. As anyone who read the payout rules knows, or anyone who's gone through this thread history, dust payment have always been something "to do" and never a priority. I'm happy to see that the priority has made its way up the chain far enough that it will be addressed sooner than later, but no one is going to go broke over dust. It's really a non-issue if you actually mine, and eventually the dust will be reconciled and everyone will get theirs. I don't see what the hubbub is all about. But I do support people that think they should get the dust.
Absolutely, the dust belongs to those who mined it. It's just never been an issue when we were talking a few cents here and there. With BTC near $3000USD and climbing I'm sure we will see a solution in the near future.
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philipma1957
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August 05, 2017, 08:04:03 PM |
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I have dust from mining here going back almost 2 years, it's a little over 0.01btc at the moment. 18 months ago that was 'worthless', but today it's not. I sent Kano an email and got a timely response. As anyone who read the payout rules knows, or anyone who's gone through this thread history, dust payment have always been something "to do" and never a priority. I'm happy to see that the priority has made its way up the chain far enough that it will be addressed sooner than later, but no one is going to go broke over dust. It's really a non-issue if you actually mine, and eventually the dust will be reconciled and everyone will get theirs. I don't see what the hubbub is all about.
as kano said dust is now 16 coins that is 51,200 usd . I personally don't give a fuck as I may have the same dust as you 0.01 but when added up and now 51,200 usd some people are annoyed. I am going off topic I loaned a forum member 2 coins last year and he saito me d he wanted to be sure to pay back in btc. at the time of the loan btc was 500 usd or 1000 for the 2 coins. I told him I would keep it in usd he said all I know is I owe you 2 coins. I said I paid coinbase for them today 1000 usd. don't worry I am not greedy so now a year later I have been talking with him and said I don't want 2 coins which would now be 6400. I am willing to take the 1000 and we settled on a cash number of 1000 which is what it really cost me. what happens if coins got to 16000 by dec 2017 the 51,200 goes to 250000 + kano should end this rather then push it forward. I remember coins as low as 6 bucks that is 500x what they are now. do any of us really know the limit to coins? so kano owes 16 coins worth of dust. personally he can have my dust I think I am under .01
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philipma1957
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August 05, 2017, 08:17:11 PM |
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just ordered another avalon 741 miner today look forward to adding it here.
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August 05, 2017, 09:33:56 PM |
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BITMIXER.IO Gone Baby, Gone.. ;-) Not any good sig campaigns out there that I want!
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August 05, 2017, 11:42:07 PM |
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hey guys can someone explain to me the following tab? what means block %? mine is stuck on 0.010%. does it mean im not mining after 0.010%? thanks and sorry for noob questions
Worker Name: Work Diff :Last Share Shares :Diff :Share Rate «Elapsed :Invalid Block % :Hash Rate gogominer.worker87 7.531k 5s 17,605 124,414,615 7.51THs 13m 38s 1.263% 0.010% 7.91THs gogominer 6.497k 1.9days 0 0 0GHs 13m 38s 0% 0.000% 0GHs Total: 2 (1 active workers) 17,605 124,414,615 7.51THs 1.263% 0.010% 7.91THs
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Bigsky
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August 06, 2017, 12:12:14 AM |
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greyworld I mine here, and in other pools and find that the earnings here, are as good or better than any pool I have mined in, that is the fees here are low and earnings fairly regular, because of the size of the pool. The 'luck' here overall has been better than the average pool, though all pools have 'unlucky' patches which you seem to have mined through
So in general, your assertions that other pools have better earnings are wrong, that is, at least over medium to longer terms. All pools luck can fluctuate over short periods of time.
kano I was not going to mention this again but seeing what has just been posted and seeing that this "coding" for the dust payments that has just been posted above looks fairly simple for someone with such knowledge, BTW I know nothing about coding.
This is not just a dust issue, though I fully agree that those dust payments are the property of the miners if indeed they want them, I have left dust payments in a number of pools and donated coins to operators when pools have closed, in todays terms I think I gave hundreds of dollars to triplemining pool as a donation when it closed
This is also about those, like me, and others who have mined here for longer periods of time, and did not fully understand the pool rules, that were not stated anywhere, that if you dont have your wallet address listed, your payments will end up in the dust account.
Yes, it does have a statement to "please set your wallet address" and yes it is red and yes it is slightly larger font, I agree it was an error not to set a wallet address
But this pool does allows you to mine without setting the wallet address, and those earnings are displayed like they are being accrued but not paid out as yet, it is not until you enter your wallet details that you realize that you payments are not accessible
2% of that 16btc does belong to me, and what about the bitcoin "cash" that you would have in that wallet, are you going to pay that out as well, this is getting messier by the day, the pool should be big enough and earning enough to sort some of these other issues out.
What about writing and running the code, working out who is owed what, and asking if miners want what is in their dust accounts to ask for it, otherwise it will be classed as a donation, and say put a 3 month timeframe on it, then going forward either make dust a donation or change the payout to allow smaller amounts to be accrued in a way that miners can access it when wanted, and change it so that if you cant mine until your wallet details are listed
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kano (OP)
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August 06, 2017, 12:41:47 AM |
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hey guys can someone explain to me the following tab? what means block %? mine is stuck on 0.010%. does it mean im not mining after 0.010%? thanks and sorry for noob questions
Worker Name: Work Diff :Last Share Shares :Diff :Share Rate «Elapsed :Invalid Block % :Hash Rate gogominer.worker87 7.531k 5s 17,605 124,414,615 7.51THs 13m 38s 1.263% 0.010% 7.91THs gogominer 6.497k 1.9days 0 0 0GHs 13m 38s 0% 0.000% 0GHs Total: 2 (1 active workers) 17,605 124,414,615 7.51THs 1.263% 0.010% 7.91THs
It's an approximation of your % of shares in the block. Doesn't mean all that much, but is an available statistic. Your % would change (up or down) if your hash rate changed noticeably or the pool hash rate changed noticeably. You Shares and Diff submitted for the block will of course go up as you submit more. It also resets every block. As you can see, the worker with no shares for 1.9 days has no shares in the current block. Your hash rate is probably reasonably stable vs the pool hash rate ... so your block % probably hasn't changed much.
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kano (OP)
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August 06, 2017, 12:58:50 AM |
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Here's the code to handle dust payouts. Took 5 minutes. ...
It's wrong. Clearly you've never written code for anyone who must deal with 'money' As I have said many times, and in those links you didn't bother to read, there's no accounting in the system. It doesn't know what has been sent out ... as the Payments page states at the top .. and doesn't need to know, to do block payouts. The current working process simply needs to work out the total shares in 5Nd++ and then divide each person's shares in that shift range by that total number. Again as I have said here before, the bitcoin blockchain tracks all the payouts, so I need to write accounting based on the blockchain, not some random and incorrect sql. In the past I have done manual payouts for some people, without any tracking in the pool, just logs, and again, they require accounting of the blockchain to be able determine the unpaid amount. Put simply, as I have stated quite a number of times before and in those links, the pool requires accounting added to it ... which it will in the not too distant future as I have stated recently also.
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August 06, 2017, 01:08:23 AM |
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ok it makes sense now, thank you
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August 06, 2017, 01:26:03 AM |
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Yeah I been putting a 42,000 sat fee in each of the block payouts (and I'll keep doing this for the time being while it continues to work)
Aww, I like getting notification emails from blockonomics that show several transactions when we're on a roll! (for those that aren't sure, that sarcasm )
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August 06, 2017, 03:32:42 AM |
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With fees dropping, I decided to move some coins around and sent a transaction with a 0.5 sat/B fee. I'm concerned it won't get confirmed. I sent the transactions with RBF enabled, but I didn't save the transaction in Electrum. What are my options if it doesn't get confirmed?
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August 06, 2017, 03:43:41 AM |
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With fees dropping, I decided to move some coins around and sent a transaction with a 0.5 sat/B fee. I'm concerned it won't get confirmed. I sent the transactions with RBF enabled, but I didn't save the transaction in Electrum. What are my options if it doesn't get confirmed?
Not an answer to your question, however: The pool payout transactions are ... 42,000 sat fee and about 28k bytes ... so about 1.5sat/byte There's a second issue however of bitcoind relaying the transaction to another bitcoind - there are default absolute limits in that also that the bitcoinds would have to change to relay tiny transactions. Since blocks are not very full, your transaction probably will confirm anyway, but that's the risk you take for trying to pay a very low fee. Block! by dsjif
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August 06, 2017, 03:44:00 AM |
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Block by dsjif!
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August 06, 2017, 05:43:42 AM |
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Regarding BitCH. Firstly and most obviously, I wont be giving the pool wallet private keys to anyone. It seems there are some scammers around asking for the private keys from various people to get at the BCH ... but ... obviously ... if you give a private key to someone, they also have access to your BTC wallet address forever ... yeah that would be a stupid thing to do. Secondly, this is a BTC pool, not a BCH pool, and although I doubt theymos is correct saying that BCH is insecure and might allow others to steal your bitcoin, I'm not having the pool wallet go anywhere near a BCH wallet any time in the near future. Consider any BCH that you didn't control in the manner that was clearly pointed out in many places in bitcoin, in your own wallet, as gone. If, due to some armageddon in the dark distant future, I close the pool and check if there's any BCH, well yep I guess I'll have made some BCH also, which I expect will be worthless by then anyway No I'm not going to risk the pool's BTC wallet, so don't ask.
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August 06, 2017, 10:06:55 AM |
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Block! by blockmines
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August 06, 2017, 11:59:29 AM |
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Consider any BCH that you didn't control in the manner that was clearly pointed out in many places in bitcoin, in your own wallet, as gone. If, due to some armageddon in the dark distant future, I close the pool and check if there's any BCH, well yep I guess I'll have made some BCH also, which I expect will be worthless by then anyway Tongue
No I'm not going to risk the pool's BTC wallet, so don't ask. lol well if you happen to of came out ahead with an almost worthless 0.00003558 BCH from grand tottal of collected btc dust that I have gathered up. You can go right ahead and keep my 0.00003558 BCH as a tip.. I'm sure its not going to break me or even cause me to have to postpone my retirement by more then a few seconds. ;-)
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August 06, 2017, 01:10:30 PM |
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Regarding BitCH. Firstly and most obviously, I wont be giving the pool wallet private keys to anyone. It seems there are some scammers around asking for the private keys from various people to get at the BCH ... but ... obviously ... if you give a private key to someone, they also have access to your BTC wallet address forever ... yeah that would be a stupid thing to do. Secondly, this is a BTC pool, not a BCH pool, and although I doubt theymos is correct saying that BCH is insecure and might allow others to steal your bitcoin, I'm not having the pool wallet go anywhere near a BCH wallet any time in the near future. Consider any BCH that you didn't control in the manner that was clearly pointed out in many places in bitcoin, in your own wallet, as gone. If, due to some armageddon in the dark distant future, I close the pool and check if there's any BCH, well yep I guess I'll have made some BCH also, which I expect will be worthless by then anyway No I'm not going to risk the pool's BTC wallet, so don't ask. This is what has always made this pool and kept my attention. Straight talk and answers...transparency. Regardless of who does or does not like the message, at least it isn't hiding behind a wall of s00n and to the m00n or I didn't mean it that way, etc
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Transaction fees go to the pools and the pools decide to pay them to the miners. Anything else, including off-chain solutions are stealing and not the way Bitcoin was intended to function. Make the block size set by the pool. Pool = miners and they get the choice.
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August 06, 2017, 01:32:19 PM |
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Hello, I just recently tried to purchase an A741 and controller from the canaan website. They do not seem to have any kind of automated payment set up. I sent a request into their support via a ticket, as it seemed to indicate to do. Does anyone have any past experience they can give me that might help? dzimmerm
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1 S9, 2 A741s, 1 A821, 3 A841s, and full bitcoin node About 80THash/sec
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August 06, 2017, 02:31:08 PM |
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Hello, I just recently tried to purchase an A741 and controller from the canaan website. They do not seem to have any kind of automated payment set up. I sent a request into their support via a ticket, as it seemed to indicate to do. Does anyone have any past experience they can give me that might help? dzimmerm
Last time I bought from Canaan, they replied back with two payment options: bank transfer and Bitcoin. Bitcoin probably your best bet for obvious reasons and low fees. If you do a bank transfer, make sure you get a street address and phone number for the company (not their bank) as I ran into an issue with that at my bank when I sent them USD. Also, hello from Columbus!
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philipma1957
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August 06, 2017, 02:31:36 PM Last edit: August 06, 2017, 03:28:08 PM by philipma1957 |
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Hello, I just recently tried to purchase an A741 and controller from the canaan website. They do not seem to have any kind of automated payment set up. I sent a request into their support via a ticket, as it seemed to indicate to do. Does anyone have any past experience they can give me that might help? dzimmerm
Wait for link read the next few pages to get an idea of what to do. Of the link https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1673843.msg20334881#msg2033488I liked the gear and ordered another yesterday
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