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Author Topic: [ANN][GAP] Gapcoin - Prime Gap Search - New Math Algo - CPU / GPU - Zero Premine  (Read 287624 times)
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December 01, 2020, 11:58:35 PM
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Is anyone using older model amd GPU's to effectively mine this thing?
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December 02, 2020, 11:30:34 AM
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Is anyone using older model amd GPU's to effectively mine this thing?

I have mined Gapcoin with GPU's successfully in the past.

Realize that the current GPU miner has not been tested and/or upgraded for newer GPU's and the prime sieve still utilizes CPU.

GPU mining has not yet been necessitated through competition against the network difficulty. Most users are still mining with CPU's.

As the network difficulty increases, Gapcoin will fine new Prime Gaps of highest merit.

New development of GPU mining software and pooled mining will also enable Prime Gaps to be found in higher shifts.

Gapcoin has never reached a higher network difficulty of 50. When we do, perhaps more people in crypto and mathematics will pay attention!

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Is anyone using older model amd GPU's to effectively mine this thing?

i'm using RX480 4Gb)
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I definitely want to start mining some. So I can simply just do it from the Gapcoin wallet? Is it then joined into a pool or per user CPU power?
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I definitely want to start mining some. So I can simply just do it from the Gapcoin wallet? Is it then joined into a pool or per user CPU power?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=915439.msg54566909#msg54566909
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December 11, 2020, 10:11:37 AM
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I definitely want to start mining some. So I can simply just do it from the Gapcoin wallet? Is it then joined into a pool or per user CPU power?

Mining in the Gapcoin wallet is currently CPU solo mining only.

At the current network difficulty you should find a block within 24 to 48 hours of mining approximately, with an average PC ...

- https://gapcoin.club/windows-gui-setup.php

Pool mining can be done as per my guide in the link that @holderwhale999 presented in the above post.

It is also possible to do GPU solo mining.

Welcome! Good luck and Mind the Gap!

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STOP MINING GAPCOIN.

STOP SEARCHING FOR PRIME GAPS OF LARGEST KNOWN MERIT.

STOP DOING MATH.

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December 17, 2020, 08:02:48 AM
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FWIW:

Alpha release of an implementation of the 0.16.3 reference client for the Gapcoin network: https://github.com/gjhiggins/gapcoin-core/releases/tag/v0.1rc-alpha, testnet-only while we test the robustness and reliability of the implementation. Linux, Windows64 and OSX binaries available. Client can be built from cloned github repos - https://github.com/gjhiggins/gapcoin-core.

Copy the provided gapcoin.conf into the data directory. (In order to have the mining page slider bar show the maximum threads available for your machine, comment out the genproclimit line or set a higher limit as desired).

For Windows users, if you want to use a separate data directory for the 0.16.3 client such as C:\Users\<USER>\AppData\Roaming\GapcoinCore then click on "Properties" of a shortcut to the 0.16.3 client gapcoin-qt.exe and add -datadir=C:\Users\<USER>\AppData\Roaming\GapcoinCore at the end, e.g. C:\Program Files (x86)\Gapcoin\gapcoin-qt.exe -datadir=C:\Users\<USER>\AppData\Roaming\GapcoinCore.

Please be advised - if not configured with -testnet on the command line or testnet=1 in the config file, the 0.16.3 reference client will connect to the current mainnet and will act as a processing node but the more advanced/complex transactions created by the 0.16.3 client will not be recognized/process/broadcast by the current population on 0.9.4 clients and the originating 0.16.3 client will probably find itself on a singleton fork, necessitating zeroing of the data dir and subsequent resync (so don't try it).

Cheers

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Early indications are that changing the txindex setting requires a clearout of the datadir and a resync.

Edit: I found that on Windows 10 at least, so when I created a testnet-specific shortcut, I needed to separate the arguments and surround them in double quotes (I'm using a Vagrant box VM, so I am user "Vagrant") and the entire content of the "Shortcut" field was:

"C:\Program Files (x86)\Gapcoin\gapcoin-qt.exe" "-testnet" "-datadir=C:\Users\Vagrant\AppData\Roaming\Gapcoin"


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The current 0.16.3-rc-alpha (testnet release candidate software) may not have full backwards compatibility with v0.9.x series wallets!

An interim release might be required for users to more smoothly transition from v0.9.x wallets.

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This is Joseph Van Name. I have a Ph.D. in mathematics, and I have been the only consistent researcher of Laver tables for the past few years. Gapcoin, Riecoin, and Primecoin are all cryptocurrencies with useful mining algorithms. But are these mining algorithms really that useful and are these mining algorithms really that efficient at producing scientific research?

These mining algorithms have some mathematical use, and computing prime number records is important, but their use is quite limited. You do not see professional mathematicians writing programs to compute the next prime number (edit: very often). Mathematics is a quite diverse discipline and most mathematicians are busy working on other things than prime numbers, and even fewer mathematicians are working on finding patterns in the set of all prime numbers. Furthermore, a cryptocurrency mining algorithm should only have one computational problem as its proof of work (for security, unless we have some advances in computer science). Therefore, mining algorithms have quite severe limitations to how they can be set up to solve important computational problems. Therefore a prime-based mining algorithm will therefore
have an extremely narrow scope of research advancement.

Have any mathematicians used the results of cryptocurrency mining to prove things or further research prime numbers in any way? Do the results of mining give any insight into number theory? Do the results of this computation have any practical applications? Did any professional mathematicians request for these sorts of cryptocurrencies to be created in order to enhance their research? Did mathematicians spend a significant amount of computational power computing these prime patterns before mining algorithms came along?
No answers suggest that such mining algorithms are not very useful while yes answers suggest that the mining algorithms are useful. And the answers for these prime-based mining algorithms are yes and no, so these mining algorithms have use in mathematical research but their use is limited.

These prime based mining algorithms are also a bit inefficient. Suppose that one has determined whether a number x is prime or not. Then the mining algorithm could be set up to determine whether x is a part of a prime constellation, but what if x is also a part of a long Cunningham chain? In that case, the computation of whether the number x is prime or not goes to waste since the mining algorithm does not reward anyone for testing whether it is a part of a Cunningham chain. This is not an insurmountable problem since one simply needs to make a mining algorithm that rewards entities for solving one out of several computational problems (and in this case one does not even have to have multiple difficulty levels for each of these individual problems).


So, the Laver tables arose from the very largest of large cardinals (large cardinals are exceedingly large levels of infinity) known as rank-into-rank cardinals (and also n-huge* cardinals). These large cardinals therefore since they are so far away cannot have any relevance to things we consider normal mathematics and they cannot have any practical applications. Except that Laver tables arise from these large cardinals and Laver tables are some of the most computationally intensive objects in mathematics.


So naturally, I would want to make a cryptocurrency with a Laver table based mining algorithm, but I decided not to pursue that area of research because I know that

1. not very many mathematicians are interested in Laver tables (there are no full time active researchers in this area),

2. the general public is not interested in Laver tables either, and

3. Laver tables may have some application to cryptography, but these cryptosystems have not been fully fleshed out yet, so this is only a potential application, so it is not worth spending potentially billions of dollars on a problem that may not have any practical applications.

When designing mining algorithms, one has to therefore be quite critical about the importance of the underlying computational problem.

The conclusion is that these prime-based cryptocurrency mining algorithms are useful for advancing mathematics and understanding cryptocurrencies when the market capitalizations are in the millions of dollars or a hundred thousand dollars, but they are not so useful when the market capitalizations are in the billions of dollars. It would be better if the underlying problem were still very useful when the market capitalization were in the billions and the mining reward were high.
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This is Joseph Van Name. I have a Ph.D. in mathematics, and I have been the only consistent researcher of Laver tables for the past few years.
And you choose to make a challenging post to an online SIG - you seem to be spoiling for an intellectual dust-up - or at least a fine bonfire of straw men Smiley

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Gapcoin, Riecoin, and Primecoin are all cryptocurrencies with useful mining algorithms. But are these mining algorithms really that useful and are these mining algorithms really that efficient at producing scientific research?
Openly and clearly not --- because the application's primary purpose is, and always has been, to act as a cryptocurrency.

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You do not see professional mathematicians writing programs to compute the next prime number.
You seem to be unaware of the work of the mersenne forum. OTOH, perhaps you're not unaware of them but your research has ruled them out as they universally fail to pass your undefined (and ill-conceived) criterion of "professional mathematician".

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Therefore, mining algorithms have quite severe limitations to how they can be set up to solve important computational problems. Therefore a prime-based mining algorithm will therefore have an extremely narrow scope of research advancement.
In which, despite the liberal use of "therefore", the characterisations "quite severe", "important" and "extremely narrow" are baldly presented as unsupported opinion or even casual conjecture. As ever, you need to show your workings-out.

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Have any mathematicians used the results of cryptocurrency mining to prove things or further research prime numbers in any way?
You seem to misunderstand Gapcoin's approach - the proof-of-work is based on searching for prime gaps of superior merit and Gapcoin currently holds the world record for the best merit, as published by the late Dr Tom Nicely of Lynchburg U a "professional mathematician" who in his time curated the list of first occurrence prime gaps, the list now maintained by a community of interested mathematicians (I cannot vouch for their professional status, alas) https://primegap-list-project.github.io/
 
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Do the results of mining give any insight into number theory?
For Gapcoin, yes - it holds the world record (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_gaps). For further information, see the Prime Gap Search Group section of the Mersenne Forum.

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These prime based mining algorithms are also a bit inefficient.
Well obviously. It's a nuanced use of a proof-of-work calculation that is less wasteful that pure hashing. It's never pretended to be anything else.

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Suppose that one has determined whether a number x is prime or not.  ...  the mining algorithm does not reward anyone for testing whether it is a part of a Cunningham chain.
Not relevant to Gapcoin's prime gap PoW.

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So naturally, I would want to make a cryptocurrency with a Laver table based mining algorithm, but I decided not to pursue that area of research because I know that
Let me add another, courtesy of your good self:
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These mining algorithms have some mathematical use ... but their use is quite limited.

So, what was your purpose in posting this here?

Cheers

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gjhiggins-Thanks for the criticism and for the mathematical links. I consider Primecoin, Gapcoin, and Riecoin to be interesting and worthwhile projects that we can learn from both by studying the mathematical computations that arose from these projects and also by studying what it takes to make a useful cryptocurrency mining algorithm (for example, I have learned about Primecoin back in 2017 here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TipGy2bOVL4). My purpose in posting is not to discourage people from using these coins nor is it to be anything other than constructive. I currently want more people to mine Gapcoin.

I realize that these coins are in a sense better than just pure hashing, but I am also pointing that these coins may be improved by making the miners work on several prime related problems simultaneously (but this is risky since a complicated algorithm could have bugs that present a security weakness). I want mining algorithms to be optimal at not just establishing consensus but also at solving important computational problems without compromising security. I want mathematicians and cryptographers to continue to research scientific mining algorithms, and this research starts by highlighting the positive aspects and potential pitfalls of Gapcoin and related cryptocurrencies.

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And you choose to make a challenging post to an online SIG - you seem to be spoiling for an intellectual dust-up - or at least a fine bonfire of straw men \Smiley
-I do not condone violence against straw men. They are people too. They have feelings. They feel pain. And I hope you know that you are supposed to end your sentence with a period instead of a smiley face.

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Openly and clearly not --- because the application's primary purpose is, and always has been, to act as a cryptocurrency.
-By 'useful', I clearly meant useful in other ways than simply establishing consensus. I decided to trade a thorough explanation of what I meant by 'useful' in exchange for brevity.

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In which, despite the liberal use of "therefore", the characterisations "quite severe", "important" and "extremely narrow" are baldly presented as unsupported opinion or even casual conjecture. As ever, you need to show your workings-out.
-You are free to report my choice of words to the Modern Language Association. They may even send me to take a four hour word choice course or get points added my grammar record. But the joke is on you, because in that course, I will finally get to meet Donald Trump in that class. After all, Donald Trump uses words such as "tremendously", "huge" (I also use the word 'huge' since huge cardinals are a thing), "beautiful", and "best", so he will definitely be there.

The main thing that you should have taken away from my post is that Gapcoin will do a decent job at advancing understanding when the market cap and mining reward for Gapcoin are low. However, if the market cap for Gapcoin were hundreds of billions of dollars and the mining reward as a result was very high, then Gapcoin will not longer do a good job at advancing understanding since the principle of diminishing returns applies to scientific cryptocurrency mining algorithms as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns.

From my post, you should have also gotten a better appreciation for the diversity of mathematical research. It is not fair for a single type of computational problem in mathematics to be highlighted at the expense of all the other areas of mathematics, and if Gapcoin becomes really popular, then Gapcoin will do just that.
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Hey,
Be sure gjhiggins, BitcoinFX and the weak community are well aware of the limitations / issues / major stake that you are talking about. Unfortunately, we are experiencing a lack of GPU developers and mathematicians [...] at this point, despite the best wishes in the world...
If you knew the history of Gapcoin, its developer and its community, it's true that your post would have been different, I think.
But in general, although there are some better ideas than others, there are rarely bad ones.
What you are saying here is true, but a fact already known and has been thought out. It's obvious to some.

However, I disagree easily with some points like the market cap and mining reward, people are just and simply venal and just don't give a s**t until there is money on the table [...]

This is a lot of information that you have unpacked here, just understand that each of them needs to be discussed in depth.
If you want to discuss further, it's here :  Smiley

I just opened a Gapcoin Discord (invite).


The thing is, (not a criticism, just a self-evident fact that falls on you one day or another) this is an 'open source' project. If you want to/can participate, you can freely and we will thank you for that.
https://github.com/gapcoin-project
Otherwise, the ideas just go to the pile of ideas. And there is a BIG one.
I'm not trying to be on the defensive, or to justify gjhiggins' answer, but just to replace the Gapcoin's situation.  Roll Eyes
Give gjhiggins a real bone to chew on and he'll do miracles.


We're just little monkeys randomly typing on typewriters, hoping to produce Shakespeare. Unfortunately, for the moment, the g is sticked.  Cheesy Cheesy (cf Gapcoin Core 0.16.3 > About)
People like you are necessary for this kind of project, but it's a lot of work.
Thanks for your time, your efforts are still appreciated, don't give up !
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Thanks for the criticism and for the mathematical links.
And in return, thanks for your refreshingly mature response.

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I consider Primecoin, Gapcoin, and Riecoin to be interesting and worthwhile projects that we can learn from ... My purpose in posting is not to discourage people from using these coins nor is it to be anything other than constructive. I currently want more people to mine Gapcoin.
Oh good, thanks for clarifying that.

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I realize that these coins are in a sense better than just pure hashing, but I am also pointing that these coins may be improved by making the miners work on several prime related problems simultaneously (but this is risky since a complicated algorithm could have bugs that present a security weakness).
That's an interesting suggestion. Although bereft of the mathematical coherence of your particular suggestion, the approach of multi-algo PoW has been adopted by a number of altcoins (Myriadcoin is perhaps the most well-known and there are other less well-known examples such as Unitus) and it's possible that the engineering solutions to a multi-algo (and multi-difficulty) PoW approach might be adaptable to an approach that integrated the different prime search approaches of Gapcoin, Riecoin, Primecoin and their derivatives (e.g. Datacoin which uses Primecoin's PoW algo).

Your concerns about securing the public ledger are indeed valid - Jonnie Frey, original developer of Gapcoin articulated his concerns about the then-extant implementation of Primecoin ...
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Gapcoin follows Riecoin’s way and uses enough Miller-Rabin tests with random bases to avoid composite numbers being accepted as Proof of Work, like Primecoin mistakenly could.
Not being an able, or even capable, mathematician, I'm not in a position to verify that his criticism of Primecoin is accurate, nor does Jonnie Frey provide any detail, so we're obliged to take that statement on trust. fwiw, Sunny King provided an accessible description of his approach in the still-available Primecoin white paper

In practice, the main issues seemed to revolve around pool mining as Jonnie Frey observed ...
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In Primecoin, which is searching for long prime chains, you can easily modify your miner to search for smaller chains. In fact, it is mostly about a simple one-line-editing. As an example, just turn a 10 into a 7 in xolominer and you will get scads of 7-chains, but your chance to find a block has diminished.

To avoid this, pools supply better payment for shares with longer chain-lengths.

In Riecoin, it is even worse. Riecoin searches for prime tuples of length 6. Pools do accept tuples with less primes, but a 6-tuple only can occur in certain places. (Look at this post for a detailed explanation.) 4-tuples, by comparison, are more frequent. There are places, where a 4-tuple can occur, but no 6-tuple, which Riecoin truly needs. So pools have to check every submitted share whether the miner really searches for 6-tuples or not. Those facts are what make it so hard to create a Prime- or Riecoin pool.
I haven't researched these issues in detail because they apparently haven't presented significant impairement to the coins. Riecoin is currently in the process of migrating from a minimum of 6-tuples to a minimum of 7-tuples - details on the difference between versions are well-described on the Riecoin web site. BTW, the Riecoin Discord server is quite active and contains useful up-to-date information - https://discord.gg/2sJEayC

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I want mining algorithms to be optimal at not just establishing consensus but also at solving important computational problems without compromising security. I want mathematicians and cryptographers to continue to research scientific mining algorithms, and this research starts by highlighting the positive aspects and potential pitfalls of Gapcoin and related cryptocurrencies.
As I understand it, Primecoin's contribution to number theory is very slight (this from Sunny King's white paper): “Primecoin is the first cryptocurrency on the market with non-hashcash proof-of-work, generating additional potential scientific value from the mining work. This research is meant to pave the way for other proof-of-work types with diverse scientific computing values to emerge.”

Riecoin is less slight in that it offers an indirect contribution (according to Newscientist) by attempting to prove the null hypothesis: “Riecoin ... might find an example of a constellation that doesn’t fit with Riemann and so offer clues as to how to disprove it”

As for Gapcoin, Jonnie Frey provides the following rationale: “Researches about prime gaps could not only lead to new breakthroughs in the bounded gap, it may also help proving the Twin Prime Conjecture and maybe even the millennium problem, the Riemann hypothesis. Who knows?”

Unfortunately, I'm obliged to confess that I don't get why the prime gap search effort is being undertaken nor how it is a potential contribution to helping prove either the Twin Prime Conjecture or the Reimann Hypothesis. I do get that “many questions and conjectures remain unanswered” but I haven't yet encountered a straightforward explanation of the purpose of calculating record prime gaps and merits, there's not even an agreed null hyopthesis to prove. What's the point of the continual record-seeking? I can conjecture that the results might inform a statistical analysis that might in turn feed into an advance in number theory but that doesn't seem to be the way that number theorists are tackling the issue of formal characterisation (Terry Tao describes what I assume is a fairly typical approach in “Long Gaps between Primes: What's New”). Edit: but see postscript

My lack of understanding has consequences. Setting higher shift values for the Gapcoin miner results in the calculation of fewer gaps but larger prime numbers as opposed to lower shift values resulting in more gaps between smaller primes. My naive view suggests that as merit is the key factor, more gaps with (potentially) greater merit are the most obvious target. More confusingly, I can't readily discern any size effect in the various conjectures - it's not as if anyone's saying “the really interesting results will start to appear when we start to use really big primes” - because the principle of calculating a gap's merit is explicitly designed to factor out the effect of prime digit size.

Aaanyway, back to your suggestion ...

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-By 'useful', I clearly meant useful in other ways than simply establishing consensus. I decided to trade a thorough explanation of what I meant by 'useful' in exchange for brevity.
Not at all unreasonable, there's a lot of room for discussion there and again, thanks for clarifying.

Leaving aside the fact that from my diminished perspective (as I describe above) "usefulness" is rather opaque, am I correct in understanding that your suggestion implies the potential construction of a mapping between the pairs of primes produced by Gapcoin and both Primecoin's chains and Riecoin's prime constellations? I hope you'll forgive my ignorance but I can't even begin to hallucinate any common numerical ground between them, you'll need to provide some concrete math to connect them up.

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The main thing that you should have taken away from my post is that Gapcoin will do a decent job at advancing understanding when the market cap and mining reward for Gapcoin are low. However, if the market cap for Gapcoin were hundreds of billions of dollars and the mining reward as a result was very high, then Gapcoin will not longer do a good job at advancing understanding since the principle of diminishing returns applies to scientific cryptocurrency mining algorithms as well https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns.
It's not been demonstrated that the principle of diminishing returns applies to - let's be specific here - PoW algos based on prime number calculation. In this you are at odds with Jonny Frey who maintained that more mining = higher difficulty = more records: “if the difficulty reaches 35.4245, every block will be a new world record”.

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It is not fair for a single type of computational problem in mathematics to be highlighted at the expense of all the other areas of mathematics, and if Gapcoin becomes really popular, then Gapcoin will do just that.
That's a pretty big (and in the current context, rather unlikely) “if”. Gapcoin has had quite a long trajectory and successive halvings have brought down the per-block reward to just 2.73 GAP, that's going to be a challenging place from which to start attracting large numbers of new miners.


Cheers

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Edit: Aha, Tom Nicely's list of prime gaps is credited in Kourbatov's 2018 paper “On the nth Record Gap Between Primes in an Arithmetic Progression” published in the International Mathematical Forum (http://www.m-hikari.com/imf/imf-2018/1-4-2018/p/kourbatovIMF1-4-2018.pdf) which does include statistical analysis ... “We will attempt to answer these questions using heuristics and statistical analysis of numerical results.” So there is some support for viewing the list of prime gaps as a usable dataset which is usefully extended.

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Edit: Aha, Tom Nicely's list of prime gaps is credited in Kourbatov's 2018 paper “On the nth Record Gap Between Primes in an Arithmetic Progression” published in the International Mathematical Forum (http://www.m-hikari.com/imf/imf-2018/1-4-2018/p/kourbatovIMF1-4-2018.pdf) which does include statistical analysis ... “We will attempt to answer these questions using heuristics and statistical analysis of numerical results.” So there is some support for viewing the list of prime gaps as a usable dataset which is usefully extended.


Excerpt:

"Reality check. Computations of Oliveira e Silva, Herzog and Pardi [16] and, more  recently,  Jacobsen,  Nair,  and  others  [15]  established  the  actual  size of the nth record prime gap ... The actual prime gaps indeed turn out to satisfy."

Interesting reading, as well as the Referenced sources;

" [1]  B. C. Arnold, N. Balakrishnan, H. N. Nagaraja, Records, John Wiley and Sons, Inc. 1998.
https://doi.org/10.1002/9781118150412

[2]  R.  C.  Baker,  G.  Harman,  J.  Pintz,  The  difference  between  consecutive primes,  II, Proceedings  of  the  London  Mathematical  Society, 83 (2001), no. 3, 532–562.
https://doi.org/10.1112/plms/83.3.532

[3]  H. Cram ́er, On the order of magnitude of the difference between consecutive prime numbers, Acta Arith., 2 (1936), 23–46.
https://doi.org/10.4064/aa-2-1-23-46

[4]  P. G. L. Dirichlet, Beweis des Satzes, dass jede unbegrenzte arithmetische Progression, deren erstes Glied und Differenz ganze Zahlen ohne gemein-schaftlichen Factor sind, unendlich viele Primzahlen enth ̈alt, Abhandlun-gen der K ̈oniglichen Preußischen Akademie der Wissenschaften zu Berlin, 48(1837), 45–71. English translation:
http://arxiv.org/abs/0808.1408

[5]  K. Ford, B. Green, S. Konyagin, J. Maynard, T. Tao, Long gaps between primes, Journal  of  the  American  Mathematical  Society, 31 (2017),  65-105.
https://doi.org/10.1090/jams/876

[6]  J. B. Friedlander and D. A. Goldston, Variance of distribution of prime sin residue classes, Quart. J. Math., 47 (1996), 313–336.
https://doi.org/10.1093/qmath/47.3.313

[7]  A. Granville, Harald Cram ́er and the distribution of prime numbers, Scandinavian Actuarial Journal, 1995 (1995), 12–28.
https://doi.org/10.1080/03461238.1995.10413946

[8]  E. J. Gumbel, Statistics of Extremes, Columbia University Press, 1958.

[9]  A.  Kourbatov,  Maximal  gaps  between  prime k-tuples:  a  statistical  approach, Journal of Integer Sequences, 16 (2013), Article 13.5.2.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1301.2242

[10]  A. Kourbatov, Is there a limiting distribution of maximal gaps between primes?   Poster  presentation  at DIMACS  Conference  on  Challenges  of Identifying Integer Sequences, 2014.
http://www.javascripter.net/math/publications/AKourbatovOEIS50poster.pdf

[11]  A. Kourbatov, The distribution of maximal prime gaps in Cram ́er’s probabilistic  model  of  primes, Int.  Journal  of  Statistics  and  Probability, 3 (2014), no. 2, 18–29.
https://doi.org/10.5539/ijsp.v3n2p18

[12]  A.  Kourbatov,  On  the  distribution  of  maximal  gaps  between  primes  in residue classes, (2016), arXiv preprint.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1610.03340

[13]  J. Krug, Records in a changing world, J. Stat. Mech.:  Theory and Experiment, 2007 (2007), P07001.
https://doi.org/10.1088/1742-5468/2007/07/p07001

[14]  J.  Li,  K.  Pratt,  G.  Shakan,  A  lower  bound  for  the  least  prime  in  anarithmetic progression, The Quarterly Journal of Mathematics, 68 (2017), 729-758.
https://doi.org/10.1093/qmath/hax001

[15]  T. R. Nicely, First Occurrence Prime Gaps, preprint, 2017. Available at hxxp://www.trnicely.net/gaps/gaplist.html
- https://faculty.lynchburg.edu/~nicely/gaps/gaplist.html

[16]  T. Oliveira e Silva, S. Herzog and S. Pardi, Empirical verification of the even Goldbach conjecture and computation of prime gaps up to 4·1018, Math. Comp., 83 (2014), 2033-2060.
https://doi.org/10.1090/s0025-5718-2013-02787-1

[17]  J. Pintz, Cram ́er vs Cram ́er:  On Cram ́er’s probabilistic model of primes, Functiones et Approximatio Commentarii Mathematici, 37 (2007), no. 2,361–376.
https://doi.org/10.7169/facm/1229619660

[18]  S. I. Resnick,  Record values and maxima, The  Annals  of  Probability, 1 (1973), 650–662.
https://doi.org/10.1214/aop/1176996892

[19]  S. I. Resnick, Limit laws for record values, Stochastic Processes and Their Applications, 1 (1973), 67–82.
https://doi.org/10.1016/0304-4149(73)90033-1

[20]  C.  Rivera  (ed.),  Conjecture  77.  Gaps  between  primes  of  the  form p = q n + r, 2016.
http://www.primepuzzles.net/conjectures/conj077.htm

[21]  D. Shanks,  On maximal gaps between successive primes, Math.  Comp.,18 (1964), 646–651.
https://doi.org/10.1090/s0025-5718-1964-0167472-8

[22]  N.  J.  A.  Sloane  (ed.), The  On-Line  Encyclopedia  of  Integer  Sequences,2015.  Published  electronically  at  http://oeis.org/  Sequences  A005250, A084162,  A268799,  A268925,  A268928,  A268984,  A269234,  A269238, A269261, A269420, A269424, A269513, A269519.

[23]  M. Wolf, Some heuristics on the gaps between consecutive primes, (2011), arXiv preprint.
http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.0481

[24]  M.  Wolf,  Nearest  neighbor  spacing  distribution  of  prime  numbers  and quantum chaos, Phys. Rev. E,89 (2014), 022922.
https://doi.org/10.1103/physreve.89.022922
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In terms of Gapcoin's results ("the list of prime gaps as a usable dataset"), we can see that certain shifts have been mined much more extensively than others. See Help (tab) > Record prime gaps in the v0.9.4 release, for example.

This is due to the original and established efficient 'default' settings for the built-in CPU (and GPU) miners ... namely ...

Shifts 20, 25, 32, 64, 512, 896, 1024 ...

Ignoring the coin part of Gapcoin and just looking at the gap records, the shift determines the size of the primes examined.  Shift 25 is finding gaps in the 5k-6k range, which Gapcoin has done a lot of work in.  Shift 512 in the 12k-17k range.  Shift 896 18k-24k.  Shift 1024 20k-28k.  Ranges very approximate.

The higher gap lengths have lower merits, making records easier to find, but take longer to calculate and find.  Other shift amounts, especially larger than 25, are more likely to find new records since the threshold is lower.  Presumably one doesn't want to do this at the expense of coin return however (there are tools that are much better than Gapcoin at finding records, but they don't have coins).

Generally, less blocks will be mined at the higher shifts.

Whilst the network difficulty is comparatively low and we work towards new mining software it may be interesting to set proof of work at a variety of slightly lower shifts ... herewith some examples for single core (or more) CPU systems ...

Note optimal 'default': Header shift 25 , Sieve size:  33554432 , Primes in sieve: 900000

> setgenerate true 1 1048576 900000 20 low gapsperday

> setgenerate true 1 2097152 900000 21 low gapsperday

> setgenerate true 1 4194304 900000 22

> setgenerate true 1 8388608 900000 23

> setgenerate true 1 16777216 900000 24

> setgenerate true 1 33554432 900000 25

> setgenerate true 1 67108864 900000 26

> setgenerate true 1 134217728 900000 27

etc.,

...

Higher shifts are best with the ctr, as per Jonnie Frey's original documentation / recommended sets ...

:: Mining with the Chinese Remainder Theorem

fig. 1

:: The ctr algorithm is divided into 2 parts. The first part,
:: is a simple greedy algorithm which ties to find offsets
:: for each involved prime, so that the desired number range
:: has at least prime candidates as possible.
::
:: The second part is an evolutionary algorithm, which tries to improve the
:: results form the greedy algorithm. Therefor the greedy algorithm
:: will be executed several times with slightly different parameters, to produce
:: ctrs which differs in quality, which than can be used by the evolutionary algorithm.
::
:: The output is a text file which can be used by gapminer as an input for ctr sieving.
::
:: Parameter description:
::
::
:: --calc-ctr          Indicates that we want to calculate a ctr file.
::
:: --ctr-strength      This is used to variate the computing time spend
::                     within the greedy algorithm. Higher strength
::                     can yield better results.
::
:: --ctr-primes        The number of primes to use in the ctr file. The more
::                     primes the better the ctr result, but the shift
::                     also increases. Minimum shift can be calculated as
::                     the binary logarithm of the product of all primes:
::                     log2(p1 * p2 * ... *pn).
::
:: --ctr-evolution     Whether to use the evolutionary algorithm or not.
::
:: --ctr-fixed         This number indicates the number of starting primes
::                     which wound get touched by the evolutionary algorithm
::                     the offsets for the primes 2,3,5,7,11... are mostly
::                     perfect computed by the greedy algorithm, and changing
::                     them only declines the result.
::
:: --ctr-ivs           The number of individuals used in the evolutionary algorithm.
::                     More increases computing time but mostly also the
::                     result quality.
::
:: --ctr-range         Percent deviation from the number of primes.
::                     Useful if you don't want to look for a specific number
::                     of primes.

::
:: --ctr-bits -256         The shift value you later use for sieving has to be greater
::                     than log2(p1*p2*..*pn). With this flag you can fine tune a specific
::                     shift by setting this to shift - log2(p1*p2*..*pn).
::
:: --ctr-merit         The target merit (while testing the ctr it seamed that
::                     sieving for target-merit - 1 yields the best results)
::
:: --ctr-file          The target ctr output file. You can open this with a
::                     text editor. Look for the n_candidates value, the smaller
::                     it is the better the ctr file.
::
::
:: Example settings which were used to calculate the current ctr files:
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 8 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 10 --ctr-primes 14 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 8 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 13 --ctr-primes 19 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 10 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 13 --ctr-primes 24 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 10 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 12 --ctr-primes 29 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 11 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 9 --ctr-primes 34 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 11 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 12 --ctr-primes 38 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 11 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 14 --ctr-primes 42 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 11 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 15 --ctr-primes 46 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 12 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 16 --ctr-primes 50 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 12 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 9 --ctr-primes 55 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 12 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 16 --ctr-primes 58 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 12 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 16 --ctr-primes 62 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 12 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 15 --ctr-primes 66 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 12 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 13 --ctr-primes 70 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 13 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 11 --ctr-primes 74 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 13 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 9 --ctr-primes 78 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 13 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 15 --ctr-primes 81 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 13 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 12 --ctr-primes 85 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 13 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 17 --ctr-primes 88 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 13 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 14 --ctr-primes 92 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 10 --ctr-primes 96 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 15 --ctr-primes 99 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 10 --ctr-primes 103 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 15 --ctr-primes 106 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 10 --ctr-primes 110 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 14 --ctr-primes 113 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 14 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 9 --ctr-primes 117 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 15 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 13 --ctr-primes 120 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 15 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 17 --ctr-primes 122 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 15 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 11 --ctr-primes 127 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt
:: gapminer-cpu.exe --calc-ctr --ctr-evolution --ctr-fixed 15 --ctr-strength 150000 --ctr-merit 22 --ctr-ivs 1000 --ctr-range 0 --ctr-bits 15 --ctr-primes 130 -t 4 --ctr-file my-ctr-file.txt

fig. 2

:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: choose your preferred mining method:
::
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: Mining with the Chinese Remainder Theorem (solo mining examles)
::
:: Shift 64
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 64 --crt crt/crt-22m-64s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 50000
::
:: Shift 96
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 96 --crt crt/crt-22m-96s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 50000
::
:: Shift 128
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 128 --crt crt/crt-22m-128s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 50000
::
:: Shift 160
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 160 --crt crt/crt-22m-160s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 100000
::
:: Shift 192
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 192 --crt crt/crt-22m-192s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 100000
::
:: Shift 224
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 224 --crt crt/crt-22m-224s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 100000
::
:: Shift 256
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 256 --crt crt/crt-22m-256s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 100000
::
:: Shift 288
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 288 --crt crt/crt-22m-288s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 300000
::
:: Shift 320
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 320 --crt crt/crt-22m-320s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 300000
::
:: Shift 352
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 352 --crt crt/crt-22m-352s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 300000
::
:: Shift 384
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 384 --crt crt/crt-22m-384s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 500000
::
:: Shift 416
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 416 --crt crt/crt-22m-416s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 500000
::
:: Shift 448
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 448 --crt crt/crt-22m-448s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 500000
::
:: Shift 480
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 480 --crt crt/crt-22m-480s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1 --sieve-primes 500000
::
:: Shift 512
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 512 --crt crt/crt-22m-512s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 544
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 544 --crt crt/crt-22m-544s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 576
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 576 --crt crt/crt-22m-576s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 608
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 608 --crt crt/crt-22m-608s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 640
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 640 --crt crt/crt-22m-640s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 672
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 672 --crt crt/crt-22m-672s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 704
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 704 --crt crt/crt-22m-704s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 736
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 736 --crt crt/crt-22m-736s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 768
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 768 --crt crt/crt-22m-768s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 800
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 800 --crt crt/crt-22m-800s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 832
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 832 --crt crt/crt-22m-832s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 864
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 864 --crt crt/crt-22m-864s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 896
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 896 --crt crt/crt-22m-896s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 928
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 928 --crt crt/crt-22m-928s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 992
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 992 --crt crt/crt-22m-992s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
:: Shift 1024
:: gapminer-cpu.exe localhost -p 31397 -u <rpc-user> -x <rpc-password> --shift 1024 --crt crt/crt-22m-1024s.txt --threads 4 --fermat-threads 1
::
::
:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
:: Mining without the Chinese Remainder Theorem
::
:: stratum (recommend)
:: gapminer-cpu.exe -o your-pool . club -p 3385 -u user.worker -x password -t 4 --stratum
::
:: getwork
:: gapminer-cpu.exe -o http:// your-pool . club -p 4200 -u user.worker -x password -t 4
::
:: solo mining
:: gapminer-cpu.exe -o 127.0.0.1 -p 31397 -u <rpc user> -x <rpc password> -t 4

...

More on this soon ...

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If we don't see additional community interest and an increase in hashing power in 2021 and beyond then it maybe prudent to create a mining consortium to see what additional prime gap records Gapcoin will acheive.

If this is going to be a Prime Gap of maximum known merit vs an Economic Tragedy of the commons type of affair, then so BTCe it! ...

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prime_gap#Numerical_results
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

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Hi,
I'm trying to make the linux wallet on Ubuntu 20.10

When i get to this bit

sudo apt-get install software-properties-common
    sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
    sudo apt-get update
    sudo apt-get install libdb4.8-dev libdb4.8++-dev

It fails
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
Repository: 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu/ groovy main'
Description:
NOT MAINTAINED. The OS-library linking packages here had a series of issues.

PLEASE DOWNLOAD DIRECTLY FROM bitcoincore.org (and verify the signatures of said files).

IF YOU WANT AUTO-UPDATES, please see the officially-maintained snap package -
https://github.com/bitcoin-core/packaging/tree/master/snap
More info: https://launchpad.net/~bitcoin/+archive/ubuntu/bitcoin
Adding repository.
Press [ENTER] to continue or Ctrl-c to cancel.
Found existing deb entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitcoin-ubuntu-bitcoin-groovy.list
Adding deb entry to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitcoin-ubuntu-bitcoin-groovy.list
Found existing deb-src entry in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitcoin-ubuntu-bitcoin-groovy.list
Adding disabled deb-src entry to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/bitcoin-ubuntu-bitcoin-groovy.list
Adding key to /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/bitcoin-ubuntu-bitcoin.gpg with fingerprint C70EF1F0305A1ADB9986DBD8D46F45428842CE5E
Ign:1 cdrom://Ubuntu 20.10 _Groovy Gorilla_ - Release amd64 (20201022) groovy InRelease
Hit:2 cdrom://Ubuntu 20.10 _Groovy Gorilla_ - Release amd64 (20201022) groovy Release
Hit:3 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy InRelease
Ign:4 http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu groovy InRelease
Get:5 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy-security InRelease [110 kB]
Get:6 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy-updates InRelease [115 kB]                             
Err:7 http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu groovy Release                                               
  404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.95.85 80]
Get:9 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu groovy-backports InRelease [101 kB]                                       
Reading package lists... Done     
E: The repository 'http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu groovy Release' does not have a Release file.
N: Updating from such a repository can't be done securely, and is therefore disabled by default.
N: See apt-secure(Cool manpage for repository creation and user configuration details.

Can anyone give me some simple instructions to follow?
Thanks
J
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Last edit: February 02, 2021, 05:42:49 PM by BitcoinFX
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Hey minerja,

Remember that we are very much between historical Bitcoin builds in terms of Gapcoin releases at the moment.

Running Gapcoin and mining on Ubuntu 18.04 LTS would currently be my recommendation.

However, I will get around to testing / adding updated build instructions for Ubuntu 20.

Have you tried building the Berkley DB for yourself ?

- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822498.msg54524230#msg54524230

Bear in mind that the current repos might need fixes for Ubuntu 20.10

sudo apt-get install libdb-dev
sudo apt-get install libdb++-dev

The above will install the current Berkley DB for your OS (a higher / incompatible version e.g. BerkeleyDB 5.1 or later), so be careful and ...

Always backup your wallet.dat and your private keys!

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I'm trying to make the linux wallet on Ubuntu 20.10

It fails
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
Repository: 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu/ groovy main'
Description:
NOT MAINTAINED. The OS-library linking packages here had a series of issues.

Can anyone give me some simple instructions to follow?

Quote
Ubuntu and Debian have their own `libdb-dev` and `libdb++-dev` packages, but these will install
BerkeleyDB 5.1 or later. This will break binary wallet compatibility with the distributed executables, which
are based on BerkeleyDB 4.8. If you do not care about wallet compatibility,
pass `--with-incompatible-bdb` to configure.
There are two main ways to proceed.

If you need to preserve wallet compatibility with distributed Gapcoin executables, then do a "depends" build, following the instructions in depends/README.md, using HOST=x86_64-linux-gnu, i.e:
Code:
cd depends
make HOST=x86_64-linux-gnu
cd ..
./autogen.sh
CONFIG_SITE=$PWD/depends/x86_64-linux-gnu/share/config.site ./configure --prefix=/
make

Otherwise, if you're just building for yourself, use sudo apt install libdb-dev libdb++-dev and add --with-incompatible-bdb to the options to configure.

Cheers

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This ^

Thanks Graham!

and for only gapcoind and gapcoin-cli (without QT/GUI and UPNP) ...

Example;

Code:
cd depends
make NO_QT=1 NO_UPNP=1
cd ..
./autogen.sh
./configure --without-gui --without-miniupnpc --disable-tests
make

--with-incompatible-bdb

etc.,

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Last edit: January 25, 2021, 02:59:57 PM by minerja
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I'm trying to make the linux wallet on Ubuntu 20.10

It fails
sudo add-apt-repository ppa:bitcoin/bitcoin
Repository: 'deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/bitcoin/bitcoin/ubuntu/ groovy main'
Description:
NOT MAINTAINED. The OS-library linking packages here had a series of issues.

Can anyone give me some simple instructions to follow?

Quote
Ubuntu and Debian have their own `libdb-dev` and `libdb++-dev` packages, but these will install
BerkeleyDB 5.1 or later. This will break binary wallet compatibility with the distributed executables, which
are based on BerkeleyDB 4.8. If you do not care about wallet compatibility,
pass `--with-incompatible-bdb` to configure.
There are two main ways to proceed.

If you need to preserve wallet compatibility with distributed Gapcoin executables, then do a "depends" build, following the instructions in depends/README.md, using HOST=x86_64-linux-gnu, i.e:
Code:
cd depends
make HOST=x86_64-linux-gnu
cd ..
./autogen.sh
CONFIG_SITE=$PWD/depends/x86_64-linux-gnu/share/config.site ./configure --prefix=/
make

Otherwise, if you're just building for yourself, use sudo apt install libdb-dev libdb++-dev and add --with-incompatible-bdb to the options to configure.

Cheers

Graham


Hi Graham, i tried option 1
and got
cd depends
make HOST=x86_64-linux-gnu
cd ..
./autogen.sh
CONFIG_SITE=$PWD/depends/x86_64-linux-gnu/share/config.site ./configure --prefix=/
make
Making all in src
make[1]: Entering directory '/home/jase1/Downloads/gapcoin-core/src'
make[2]: Entering directory '/home/jase1/Downloads/gapcoin-core/src'
  CXX      libbitcoinconsensus_la-arith_uint256.lo
  CXX      libbitcoinconsensus_la-hash.lo
  CXX      libbitcoinconsensus_la-pubkey.lo
  CXX      libbitcoinconsensus_la-uint256.lo
  CXX      libbitcoinconsensus_la-utilstrencodings.lo
  CXX      gapcoind-bitcoind.o
  CXX      libbitcoin_server_a-addrdb.o
make[3]: Entering directory '/home/jase1/Downloads/gapcoin-core/src/secp256k1'
gcc -I. -g -O2 -Wall -Wextra -Wno-unused-function -c src/gen_context.c -o gen_context.o
  CXX      libbitcoin_server_a-addrman.o
  CXX      libbitcoin_server_a-bloom.o
  CXX      libbitcoin_server_a-blockencodings.o
  CXX      libbitcoin_server_a-chain.o
In file included from ./chain.h:12:0,
                 from chain.cpp:8:
./pow.h:11:29: fatal error: PoWCore/src/PoW.h: No such file or directory
compilation terminated.

TBH, i started @ 7.30am with LM20.1, (my fault), then rebuild hard drive with clean LM20.04 for a few attempts, finally started afresh with LM18.3, and now @14.50pm, still have no wallet, so i give in

I must stress, i completely appreciate the efforts yourself and many other programmers on here put in, but when i read
"If you need to preserve wallet compatibility with distributed Gapcoin executables, then do a "depends" build",  i'm sat here thinking, i don't even know what that means, nevermind knowing if i should worry about it....

It really should not be this difficult to start with a clean drive, install LM or Ubuntu and get a fresh wallet running...
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