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January 10, 2015, 09:01:07 PM
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Hello everyone!

Being scammed feels horrible and I hate myself for being fooled by some assholes. That's why I want to find them. All I want right now is to find them at any cost. I even willing to give a small reward in btc, if someone finds a lot of info about them. I know it is really hard for getting my money back or even finding them. But I don't want to let this go. I am quite sure that there are quite a few people in the same place as I am, who might want to participate in the chase or in increasing the reward.

I should have suspected the fact he hasn't posted any pictures of his farm even if he said he would, the fact that paypal canceled his subscription, the fact that he is not even using a btc processor like BitPay etc, the fact that he offers a 8% discount for those who pay in btc, when it is actually the only way to pay him, 49% discount to turn your profits in shares, ROI 2-3 months, no Blockchain verification (at least I don't know if he is verified), no public mining addresses and his Whois address http://whois.domaintools.com/ltcgear.com . If anyone is able to track them, by any means please do it and I will reward you. However I didn't do any research before I went straight into the catch. 3 People that I knew, mentioned the good ROI and the fact that they were satisfied + the fact that they weren't constantly 'selling' shares made me think that they are legit.

I want to gather enough information about Chris. Even if people think that he will return, we could still gather as much information as we can and also create a plan in case he takes our money and runs away. This call is for people that send him money through PayPal, for people who traded physical miners with him and especially those who send their stuff back to him, for people who have talked with him over the phone, VoIP or have any social network account. For them who have received referral payments. People who have send him Btc and he still hasn't withdrawn them from the deposit addresses. People that know any possible mining addresses.

A guy found some info on various forums:

https://hashtalk.org/topic/24470/current-state-of-ltcgear-payouts-and-more/998

"Chris (beekeeper) isn't really anonymous anymore, I dredged this up from various forums.
BitCage Tech appears to be his company in Romania.

Bitcage Tech (official registered company name?): http://ltcgear.itrademarket.com/profile/bitcage-tech.htm

Bitcage Tech fundamentals, some sort of Romanian companies listing: http://www.romanian-companies.eu/bitcage-tech-srl-31906463/"


If you are going to get into legal action, I would link up with the guys in this post ( as I plan to do if LTCGear does actually collapse):

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=22563.msg242972#msg242972

EDIT: Just found out that beekeeper(Chris) has replied to one of the litecointalk mods. Here's what's he understood from the conversation:

https://litecointalk.org/index.php?topic=24209.0
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January 10, 2015, 09:15:24 PM
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if LTCGear does actually collapse

Eternal optimism. No wonder the same people invested in GAW and LTCGear.

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January 10, 2015, 09:39:53 PM
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if LTCGear does actually collapse

Eternal optimism. No wonder the same people invested in GAW and LTCGear.

lol- I used the word "if" which is me getting negative. The fortunate thing is that I my eggs into many baskets.
Call me crazy- but i just bought an Antminer S5 which has a 15% discount. Bitmain has been the most reliable for me and i should likely look closer at HashNest again. I bet they will have S5 cloud mining contracts available soon. They will likely have a lower maintenance cost than even the S3s.
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January 10, 2015, 10:52:00 PM
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if LTCGear does actually collapse

Eternal optimism. No wonder the same people invested in GAW and LTCGear.

lol- I used the word "if" which is me getting negative. The fortunate thing is that I my eggs into many baskets.
Call me crazy- but i just bought an Antminer S5 which has a 15% discount. Bitmain has been the most reliable for me and i should likely look closer at HashNest again. I bet they will have S5 cloud mining contracts available soon. They will likely have a lower maintenance cost than even the S3s.

With hardware you can sell it when you're done. Amazingly a used S3 still sells for 0.5BTC, while it cost IIRC 0.58-0.68 new back in July/August.

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January 10, 2015, 11:25:29 PM
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With hardware you can sell it when you're done. Amazingly a used S3 still sells for 0.5BTC, while it cost IIRC 0.58-0.68 new back in July/August.

Not that pretty in USD terms, remember that BTC price was much higher.

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January 11, 2015, 12:50:09 AM
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if LTCGear does actually collapse

Eternal optimism. No wonder the same people invested in GAW and LTCGear.

lol- I used the word "if" which is me getting negative. The fortunate thing is that I my eggs into many baskets.
Call me crazy- but i just bought an Antminer S5 which has a 15% discount. Bitmain has been the most reliable for me and i should likely look closer at HashNest again. I bet they will have S5 cloud mining contracts available soon. They will likely have a lower maintenance cost than even the S3s.

With hardware you can sell it when you're done. Amazingly a used S3 still sells for 0.5BTC, while it cost IIRC 0.58-0.68 new back in July/August.

Agreed...doing so and replacing with new more efficient hardware has been safer way to make btc than cloud mining has been. It's not easier tho ... as buying and selling is a lot more work and eventually selling used miners may dry up given everyone's view of market btc conditions and btc difficulty. Only time will tell.
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January 11, 2015, 04:30:28 AM
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thx for the info...  Smiley

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January 11, 2015, 06:52:41 AM
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Why do people invest in these schemes when they no they have no control over the mining and stuff, they just have to pray for some good thing to happen, like a mining difficulty decrease

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January 11, 2015, 01:58:04 PM
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Why do people invest in these schemes when they no they have no control over the mining and stuff, they just have to pray for some good thing to happen, like a mining difficulty decrease

To buy 'MONEY MAKING MACHINE' which gives profit rapidly, atleast according to investors.  They haven't understood that, they aren't buying MMM instead, they are donating MONEY to ENGINEERS who built their MMM. Roll Eyes

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January 11, 2015, 11:02:15 PM
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Seems like cloudminr.io just collapsed. Surprising absolutely no one reading this thread.
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January 11, 2015, 11:07:36 PM
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Seems like cloudminr.io just collapsed. Surprising absolutely no one reading this thread.

?? where are you getting this ?

They just made payout to me a few mins ago, and their site is loading fine ...?

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January 11, 2015, 11:14:29 PM
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Seems like cloudminr.io just collapsed.

Didn't you mean cryptomine.io? Judging by the official threads, they're looking much worse than cryptominr.io.

...Surprising absolutely no one reading this thread.

Just rename it to: "Earn a quick $$$ by cloudmining!!!" - attention of potential ponzi victims guaranteed  Wink


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January 12, 2015, 12:20:51 AM
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Seems like cloudminr.io just collapsed.

Didn't you mean cryptomine.io? Judging by the official threads, they're looking much worse than cryptominr.io.

...Surprising absolutely no one reading this thread.

Yeah, it appears that all the cryptomine.io coin was transferred tonight to an address which also received the funds of the timetobit.com cloud mining scam in August.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744692.40

   1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL

This address has been implicated as the destination in many other scams.

There's a portion of 100 btc stolen from diceminer's Primedice account
 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=791367.80

There's 160 btc from AKCoinDigger/Joe Mattie's account with DiceBitco.in
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=716312.1680

748 from dadj
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744692.msg8970581#msg8970581

unspecified from localbitcoins
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=744692.msg9742045#msg9742045

and blackarrow claim an unspecified amount stolen and sent there
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=800660.msg9016252#msg9016252

which prompted notbatman, a very disgruntled Black Arrow punter to speculate

We suspect this is just an excuse to embezzle our money and that the convicted Romanian internet fraud artist Alexandru Ion Sovu (CEO of BA and the clown behind the BCT user blackarrow) is still in control of our BTC and the 1fsVc address.

The role of address  1FsVcdeHbpvUVT3gjeuVR2ZSDnpcsJMsLL in stolen coin has been discussed before with no progress.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=769626.0

Do you have any ideas about how to find out what is going on there?
A mass appeal to help identify it?



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January 12, 2015, 12:23:08 AM
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The 1Fs address is the BTC-e output wallet.
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January 12, 2015, 12:24:28 AM
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quick thought ? a website where you can input a wallet adress, and it goes looking for traces, to known scam adresses ?

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January 12, 2015, 07:10:06 AM
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Didn't you mean cryptomine.io? Judging by the official threads, they're looking much worse than cryptominr.io.

Oops, indeed I meant that ponzi instead of the other ponzi..
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January 12, 2015, 11:08:33 AM
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Didn't you mean cryptomine.io? Judging by the official threads, they're looking much worse than cryptominr.io.

Oops, indeed I meant that ponzi instead of the other ponzi..

Unknowingly, u spoke the truth... CLOUDMINR.IO has changed payout addresses of people to his different addresses that he own and blaming it to malware. As he does not have any big customer, so u dont see any big chaos so far. He is also using some of his forum alts to promote that he is paying...

Hello!

This week's payout will once again be higher than our revenue. That's a situation in which a typical ponzi scheme would collapse. We have received blackmail too, however the blackmail has not turned off our hardware.

Updates:

Implemented email security tokens for account data changes. From now on, before updating your account data (such as e-mail, payout address or password), you will be emailed a token to prevent your account data being changed without your consent by malware.

IMPORTANT: Please make sure that your payout address is correct before our payout tomorrow. If you have any issues with changing our account data, please message us. We will gladly help you out before tomorrow's payout.

Best regards,
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Awesome !!! So, after changing people's payout address, you are giving one day notice to contact you back ! You have no backup of people's account data from where you can restore the original addresses !! At a cloud mining facility, people have to worry everyday when the service owner is changing his email ID and blaming some fictitious malware !!! Reminds me of hashie, who deleted their referral table and blamed some hack a month before vanishing in the thin air.

Obvious SCAM


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January 12, 2015, 11:54:55 AM
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i am not claiming EITHER way, and im obviously not related to cloudminr in ANY way !

but i DID get my payment yesterday (didnt roi yet, so means nothing)

he also stated: that it was impossible for him to change the payout adresses, wich i asked him to explain, as that makes zero sense to me ..   (no answer on this yet ..)

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January 12, 2015, 02:02:49 PM
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Puppet you can mark CEX.IO as obsolete, because they are closing mining 'temporarily'. If they allow GHS trading anyway, it would be great news for traders, as they won't be losing more money due to negative dividends in the meantime Cheesy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=318010.msg10124172#msg10124172

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January 12, 2015, 07:20:12 PM
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Does anyone know of any cloud mining company that allows you to mint 100% virgin coins?

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