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January 19, 2015, 09:23:03 PM
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Not counting any chickens just yet, but these Iqonia guys sound promising.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=927973.0

Will compile a score when a bit more info available.



They do seem interesting.  If they can provide an address (they said they would once they start) and get BITMAIN or another vender to confirm their order I might buy a contract.
Why on Earth would you do that? Even if they are legit, they're charging $487.52/TH and have a $1.8/TH per day maintenance fee. At current difficulty 1TH/s is bringing in $2.46/day. Even if nothing changes on the network, it'd take years to make back your money.
If you really want you could buy a TH/s direct from Bitmain for $179, and the maintenance fee is lower at $1.64/TH per day.

Cloudmining isn't a great investment right now anyway, but even if they're legit this company is a particularly bad buy at the current prices.
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January 20, 2015, 06:47:28 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).
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January 20, 2015, 07:45:31 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).

You are right! Bitfury is providing hash power but is the hashpower locked to a certain amount in Bit-X, if not it can't be removed. Smiley

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January 20, 2015, 08:03:14 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).

You are right! Bitfury is providing hash power but is the hashpower locked to a certain amount in Bit-X, if not it can't be removed. Smiley

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Currently, 1PH has been allocated to Bit-X, no specific requirements.
At this time, this is the only public trading place for BitFury's hashpower.
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January 20, 2015, 08:19:08 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).

Where can we track how much they sold?
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January 21, 2015, 05:58:12 PM
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Cloud Mining Website's payout address is 1LKW6fiftaQg8UPp32ptdgJW587XXCDk3p. The first payout from that address was on 2014-11-10 13:09:18 to the following addresses:

1S5jZoMaCAXU5ouCJUdqNqa91JyndhsKY - (Spent) 0.01383072 BTC
1GeMdyJAh89tYLKkMNwMq8NfSSuB8nubdq - (Spent) 0.00050792 BTC
13PqrhREgP7UtGCMfSmPFwSqonGfbwnBg4 - (Spent) 0.0005 BTC
1HVuXwqaTVbSyavVBUdERAzX23pdtJbSTz - (Spent) 0.00188095 BTC
1Gxx7hKXHHsYQqLemjrm9yxq7fyBpRmn6n - (Spent) 0.0167636 BTC
1Cuq6oPjmCAHYvf8P261X1kQtFSRYWxH4L - (Spent) 0.00050792 BTC
1AWH3FFgVmGkYqi6XXEBGWHxZh4jprimA8 - (Spent) 0.00380958 BTC
1PiVXGLoCZxkAXQoE1tgWUGcFNE4nxMMGp - (Spent) 0.01685437 BTC
1sXep2dchasM93tz5b4nVwKxyAwBC6NaL - (Spent) 0.00253972 BTC
1NUYC1Yn6D5QnbdJhrnfggrgMr9MxvZeHV - (Spent) 0.00787452 BTC
1PJsyKj7MFcDU2NhVGxzZwkACQm3kWSy4q - (Spent) 0.00380958 BTC
12VNyzMs2phSHieU8tn9tHJ12paBBYrkVs - (Spent) 0.0005 BTC
12sC4856yLHCVejxzDx9t2uFvqgSp93141 - (Spent) 0.00787452 BTC
1KtpNadiW7T9abF76auqaxiDRDXUsfS1Yy - (Unspent) 0.00078742 BTC
1GKjwnAoTNXeyGxyAuQj6RHVmdwX8PKHqy - (Spent) 0.00050794 BTC
1EyC24bBTjFQ97ro5Kbo1tZFAaxo2r2aEU - (Spent) 0.00256524 BTC
1ka4QPaJeKqpy27ta6Rich3YQhwPiUxia - (Spent) 0.00050792 BTC
1KzCLHBzih4AjDnqUXLoVmS8pVeCfrnGek - (Spent) 0.00393726 BTC
1MqXA26UJrMPHr8YqyQCa2wnpn3nJSyw5b - (Spent) 0.00064766 BTC
134RkePAuZzYqPBMhcbjyUgmQPnfjn11zn - (Spent) 0.00507944 BTC
1LKW6fiftaQg8UPp32ptdgJW587XXCDk3p - (Spent) 0.00861372 BTC

The following addresses go on to send funds to Eobot and include 1LfpedDQLqqEmSDZ9B7v2sPzz5NeeDhXec (a CMW collection address for incoming payments) in a transaction:

134RkePAuZzYqPBMhcbjyUgmQPnfjn11zn > 18Xb24a6uxjQoFU4UM7Sf4qnBLGihshYMA > 1EDQxwFYbwkk7Q64PatJaGbmrLGTV8hFg7 > 12gE6HhtuT2HQyWUn7uRUCjCLFWM1zbUg9 > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

1EyC24bBTjFQ97ro5Kbo1tZFAaxo2r2aEU > 1trK54PHRtDkgyM8KfNHkvd8vCFfC8Xp9 > 1CDqWP7q6qVJnqUQUPPE1CegA2KJfY5Fn > 19SAkgM7vtkDn3jK3v8uJCFLethkp3hRpw > 1Bd6HCqnep7R1LjKQdkkGx5dEKBsk49xrJ > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

1KtpNadiW7T9abF76auqaxiDRDXUsfS1Yy > 1PYb6PX2R7wzKos2MGAVs2kYwaZbHF3VUk > 1MjC3Pmj2UjZWwNx4wML87ksPswQYDznDD > 15R9sp6pZf3m8tJutpwZHSSyBPuzuBZr1s > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

1NUYC1Yn6D5QnbdJhrnfggrgMr9MxvZeHV > 1CrGgHK1SuG6F5XE7DkeeVR3mS8EojzivM > 1CC4shQ5AKrLZdY4yZsje9soXNVS1xMYb5 > 1KDdqF1uUW9G3XDKQDSPjPLPMPg4tXzD7G > 1GC9SfN7dYonyuGSHrhVxtMbYcuXFR9Koj > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

1PiVXGLoCZxkAXQoE1tgWUGcFNE4nxMMGp > 1JPG7aob1p7HstxgfExbyittzeUcNXpQjC > 1HbPVgQLxqgWDk3DLi9rngNBNX8wVbhnqG > 1GTFsNgN2HVgY55xKEonbYcQWyJViRA2vG > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

1HVuXwqaTVbSyavVBUdERAzX23pdtJbSTz > 1E5Ru8dkRsUzJtdHugTDo1yL9s47S2dsyG > 1NszG3hZFKPXEsCUnUTCZnhGu2fUZQLUHg > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

1GeMdyJAh89tYLKkMNwMq8NfSSuB8nubdq > 19Z8GBHzC2adEHfgDkfvqCBwTrNPmijPJt > 1Mvie3e49r5LsbittvaLPodYz4mR1ZZUgx > 19NojCdwPMksCN4SWYtGCdM7RHGrPaf1Ka > 1Pz4zyH9aJJy2XeyTbQMGbroyn8eryvsHB > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

And that's just from the first payment! Here are another two as well:

1NkVkNiNdn4bXJ34U7BZo8aK1qPLiQnnvM (krunox123) > 1EtatR2NRht9JFjmF9x99i6oztFHfM839V > 1LFHUrUwjUydvPx9uCVjq4m6uQ7gaHALh3 > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

13RJvPMzxdAyzXQNnLAAimrMQBGseRJRmC > 1F91HzJaQZ1WGU9NG2ZhFaXctZD6vMsV3L > 1GNmnxWkComFYF7k8EBeKtgQz2sprUGYvM > 1MPxhNkSzeTNTHSZAibMaS8HS1esmUL1ne (Eobot)

Cloud Mining Website is quite clearly sending customers funds to Eobot.
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January 21, 2015, 06:13:39 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).

Where can we track how much they sold?

Market depth? I think I see what information is needed. Does AMhash or hashnest provide this information?
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January 21, 2015, 06:22:56 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).

Where can we track how much they sold?

Market depth? I think I see what information is needed. Does AMhash or hashnest provide this information?

AMhash : http://www.amhash.com/pricing.htm

Don't know about hashnest. Huh

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January 21, 2015, 07:02:19 PM
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I don't think #4 applies to BIT-X anymore (correct me if I'm wrong).

Where can we track how much they sold?

Market depth? I think I see what information is needed. Does AMhash or hashnest provide this information?

AMhash : http://www.amhash.com/pricing.htm

Don't know about hashnest. Huh

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It's provided by themselves so the information could be extremely inaccurate or fake.
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January 21, 2015, 08:02:27 PM
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Market depth? I think I see what information is needed. Does AMhash or hashnest provide this information?

No, not market depth. How much they actually sold, so you can compare it to the 1PH we know they have.
For Amhash you can easily check this on havelock (at least for those units that where bought there or imported later).
I dont remember where on hashnest, but it was also listed somewhere, but its reasonable to assume anyway they have more than enough capacity anyway.
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January 23, 2015, 06:37:37 AM
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Spondoolies just announced its cloud mining service:

I've missed Bitcointalk Smiley

Zvisha implemented the scheduler, please give it a try: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog

Also, we're doing soft launch of our cloud mining offerings. It's partnership with Genesis Mining.
We're brining small amount of hash power online in our Israeli DC. Upon selling of contracts, we'll ship mining gear to cover the contracts to Genesis Mining DC in Iceland.

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Also, Mine That Cloud is now redirecting to Cloud Mining Website. That one didn't last long.
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January 23, 2015, 08:07:16 AM
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now i cant open MineThatCloud web site?
are they gone?
or is it about my net?

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January 23, 2015, 08:29:37 AM
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Spondoolies just announced its cloud mining service:

I've missed Bitcointalk Smiley

Zvisha implemented the scheduler, please give it a try: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog

Also, we're doing soft launch of our cloud mining offerings. It's partnership with Genesis Mining.
We're brining small amount of hash power online in our Israeli DC. Upon selling of contracts, we'll ship mining gear to cover the contracts to Genesis Mining DC in Iceland.

Guy

Also, Mine That Cloud is now redirecting to Cloud Mining Website. That one didn't last long.

Ah so Spondoolies have linked up with Genesis Mining, that's interesting...surely that must be more evidence that they are not a Ponzi risk, surely.. Spondoolies is quite a large Asic manufacturer.

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January 23, 2015, 08:59:43 AM
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Spondoolies just announced its cloud mining service:

I've missed Bitcointalk Smiley

Zvisha implemented the scheduler, please give it a try: http://www.spondoolies-tech.com/blogs/technical-blog

Also, we're doing soft launch of our cloud mining offerings. It's partnership with Genesis Mining.
We're brining small amount of hash power online in our Israeli DC. Upon selling of contracts, we'll ship mining gear to cover the contracts to Genesis Mining DC in Iceland.

Guy

Also, Mine That Cloud is now redirecting to Cloud Mining Website. That one didn't last long.

Ah so Spondoolies have linked up with Genesis Mining, that's interesting...surely that must be more evidence that they are not a Ponzi risk, surely.. Spondoolies is quite a large Asic manufacturer.
Genesis Miming is 100% backed by hardware.
We have very good business relations with them and I consider the owners and the CTO friends.
You'll notice that they're out of stock on the Alt sales, because they ran out of hardware.

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We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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January 23, 2015, 09:30:37 AM
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minethatcloud was down the whole day, now it redirected to cloudmining.website
it seems too stupid even for scammers
may be they was hacked?

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January 23, 2015, 09:44:50 AM
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Remember when Guy vouched for NexusMining and Skye posted:

Why does their Reset Password page say "Genesis Mining"?

Now Spondoolies are officially partnering with Genesis Mining to provide cloud mining. I find that pretty interesting.
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January 23, 2015, 10:33:31 AM
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Remember when Guy vouched for NexusMining and Skye posted:

Why does their Reset Password page say "Genesis Mining"?

Now Spondoolies are officially partnering with Genesis Mining to provide cloud mining. I find that pretty interesting.
When I vouched for Nexus Mining I clearly said It's because I know it's a white label of Genesis Mining and I'm familiar with Genesis Mining. I was drag into Nexus Mining thread.
Our cloud mining offering is also based on Genesis Mining backend. I explained the details in our thread.

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We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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January 23, 2015, 11:10:22 AM
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Remember when Guy vouched for NexusMining and Skye posted:

Why does their Reset Password page say "Genesis Mining"?

Now Spondoolies are officially partnering with Genesis Mining to provide cloud mining. I find that pretty interesting.
When I vouched for Nexus Mining I clearly said It's because I know it's a white label of Genesis Mining and I'm familiar with Genesis Mining. I was drag into Nexus Mining thread.
Our cloud mining offering is also based on Genesis Mining backend. I explained the details in our thread.

Guy

Actually, you made no mention of Genesis Mining. You said:

- Nexus Mining is legit, they're currently white labeling a respectable cloud mining provider.

I'm not saying you're lying or anything, I just think it's interesting.
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January 23, 2015, 11:12:41 AM
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Remember when Guy vouched for NexusMining and Skye posted:

Why does their Reset Password page say "Genesis Mining"?

Now Spondoolies are officially partnering with Genesis Mining to provide cloud mining. I find that pretty interesting.
When I vouched for Nexus Mining I clearly said It's because I know it's a white label of Genesis Mining and I'm familiar with Genesis Mining. I was drag into Nexus Mining thread.
Our cloud mining offering is also based on Genesis Mining backend. I explained the details in our thread.

Guy

Actually, you made no mention of Genesis Mining. You said:

- Nexus Mining is legit, they're currently white labeling a respectable cloud mining provider.

I'm not saying you're lying or anything, I just think it's interesting.
You're correct. I didn't recall the exact phrasing I've used.

Edit: It was pretty obvious to anyone reading the thread that Nexus Mining is a white label of Genesis Mining.
I was dragged into that thread and I didn't want to be involved more than the absolute minimum necessary.
We have excellent working relations with Genesis Mining. We had some discussion with Nexus Mining people as well on other stuff.

We released the following miners only when we were operational: SP10, SP20, SP30, SP31 and SP35.
If you see anything else offered online, it's a scam.
We designed but never completed the SP50
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January 23, 2015, 11:18:27 AM
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i cant find Minethatcloud's topic in forum
is it deleted?
and havent any news from them  Huh

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