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Author Topic: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁  (Read 308839 times)
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March 24, 2015, 05:48:56 PM
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Bow wow wow... Wink
Eveyone who thinks I have no hashrate is an idiot. Running ponzi without the hashrate is impossible for such a long time because difficulty is not rising as it used to. Just do the maths.
A ponzi requires one single thing to not crash: new payments. As long as your customers reinvest their rewards, buy more contracts or bring new customers to buy more contracts, you will have a positive net cashflow allowing the ponzi to increase in lifespan.

The difficulty "decrease" is laughable, I don't see it as a weak argument, you can still pay out more because of your advertised increasing customer base. Until we can see more actual numbers, we can't figure out if your operation is honest or if it is not. I'm sure you wouldn't want to scam people, or maybe you would, we can never tell from your behavior, that's why some real numbers are important.

Well... there is some good logic behind this reasoning;)

The problem with verification of any mining operation is that you need 2 things: the hashrate AND the number of sold shares. How are you going to check if they were true? I am telling you there is no way to positively verify this. You have to balance between reliability and protection of the sensitive data of the operation. So basically we care less of the first one. We will be considered by Puppet a ponzi forever and we have to live with it.

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March 24, 2015, 06:03:36 PM
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Eveyone who thinks I have no hashrate is an idiot. Running ponzi without the hashrate is impossible for such a long time because difficulty is not rising as it used to. Just do the maths.

Anyone who thinks you have hashrate without proof is an idiot.

"long time"? Your ponzi has run what, 7 months? ROFLMAO. You do not have a "long time". We have lots of ponzi's that have been running longer than that.

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March 24, 2015, 06:05:22 PM
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The problem with verification of any mining operation is that you need 2 things: the hashrate AND the number of sold shares. How are you going to check if they were true? I am telling you there is no way to positively verify this. You have to balance between reliability and protection of the sensitive data of the operation. So basically we care less of the first one. We will be considered by Puppet a ponzi forever and we have to live with it.
There is a simple method for this, employed by other operations and which I'm going to use. My hashrate is always verifiable through an internal proxy pool and on a public pool.

The hashrate is private now and verified by clients physically but for cloud mining you can do a single thing such as numbering the contracts. Clients can check that the total number is equal to the total hashrate and that their contract numbers never match between clients but can be publicly verified to be assigned to them.

Havelock for example enforces a total number of contracts and automatic share payments. Clients know that their contract is one of n and the block rewards for the total hashrate is distributed to them by 1/n.
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March 24, 2015, 09:41:44 PM
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Bow wow wow... Wink
Eveyone who thinks I have no hashrate is an idiot. Running ponzi without the hashrate is impossible for such a long time because difficulty is not rising as it used to. Just do the maths.

Anyone who thinks you have hashrate without proof is an idiot.

"long time"? Your ponzi has run what, 7 months? ROFLMAO. You do not have a "long time". We have lots of ponzi's that have been running longer than that.

8 months to be exact. Those ponzis operated in different circumstances with diff going over the roof. Besides
as I have said, I do not care. And we will be here for long time Wink

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March 25, 2015, 03:51:17 AM
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8 months to be exact. Those ponzis operated in different circumstances with diff going over the roof. Besides
as I have said, I do not care. And we will be here for long time Wink

Now where did I hear that before...

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=418183.msg5682450#msg5682450

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PB Mining is here to stay.

The parallels are quite canny.

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March 25, 2015, 07:00:57 AM
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pbmining was a ponzi from day 1 and lasted nearly a year. Krypto-illogica used to own hashrate, probably even enough to cover their minuscule sales; its only been a few weeks since one should assume their AM1 shares to be gone, and with no other evidence, assume Krypto-illogica therefore turned ponzi.
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March 26, 2015, 06:48:30 AM
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https://zeushash.com seems to be down. Do we know anything about this?
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March 26, 2015, 08:26:31 PM
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You people play with fire here. I know you have the best intention here but trying to figure out what s ponzi in BTC economy s a really hard thing to do. I just hope people do their own due diligence before investing.

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March 27, 2015, 04:36:39 PM
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is this company reliable ?

https://www.genesis-mining.com

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March 27, 2015, 06:58:06 PM
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is this company reliable ?

https://www.genesis-mining.com

IMHO, yes. But u ll never reach ROI with them. They are among the most expensive cloud hash providers in the market.

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March 30, 2015, 02:19:32 PM
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is this company reliable ?

https://www.genesis-mining.com

i was thinking about buying some contracts here, but everybody now talks more about getting out and not about investing somewhere Grin maybe i'll wait for better days, unless something changes.
why risk if you are even lucky to get your money back, not even talking about profit

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March 30, 2015, 08:23:00 PM
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is this company reliable ?

https://www.genesis-mining.com

i was thinking about buying some contracts here, but everybody now talks more about getting out and not about investing somewhere Grin maybe i'll wait for better days, unless something changes.
why risk if you are even lucky to get your money back, not even talking about profit

I think that s a smart decision. Genesis Mining s expensive and their biggest issue s no exit option. You cant sell your hash and get out.

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April 03, 2015, 06:55:48 AM
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Besides Bit X and Hashnest, I would not even consider touching any other cloud mining services. The key s who produces the miners, if there s no link with the manufacturer, I would pass on it.

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April 03, 2015, 08:50:36 AM
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I had a second thought and I would agree, I'm gonna invest in hashnest, cause genesis-mining does not have manufacturing business to lose if they close cloudmining and flee. What about this bit-x? They also produce miners? No miners on their page, they are separate company?

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April 03, 2015, 08:52:21 AM
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I had a second thought and I would agree, I'm gonna invest in hashnest, cause genesis-mining does not have manufacturing business to lose if they close cloudmining and flee. What about this bit-x? They also produce miners? No miners on their page, they are separate company?

They have a deal with Bitfury and they use their infrastructure. If you do decide to invest in Hashnest, let me know what you need, I have some cloud miners to sell, via their exchange.

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April 03, 2015, 08:55:24 AM
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I've read that they are backed by bitfury, but just wanted to confirm that. So then they are a separate company that could close the mining on various reasons and bitfury would not be responsible looks like.

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April 03, 2015, 09:32:50 AM
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I've read that they are backed by bitfury, but just wanted to confirm that. So then they are a separate company that could close the mining on various reasons and bitfury would not be responsible looks like.

Well, in theory, yes. But they do seem to be very professional. The website s great, they have invested a lot into marketing as well and I think they re here to stay.

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April 03, 2015, 04:12:05 PM
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Bit-x, Hashnest and Genesis Mining all have backing from manufacturers.

Bit-x = BitFury
Hashnest = Bitmain
Genesis Mining = Spondoolies
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April 07, 2015, 08:21:06 AM
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backing from manufacturers sounds different than manufacturers themselves doesn't it? the only one left looks like Bitmain and their hashnest. too bad...

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April 07, 2015, 02:43:47 PM
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is there a reliable cloud mining service mining altcoins and instantly converting them to btc?
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