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Author Topic: ▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101 (ponzi risk assessment) ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁  (Read 348357 times)
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September 05, 2015, 10:46:24 PM
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https://www.hashcoins.com/ (hashflare )
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=587343.0
any 1 trust this company ?

or any 1 can review it ,, ponzi or not ?

I like them. Specially for 10% referral program and many hash payment options like CC and Payeer.

I sign up in May and had no problem with them. All payouts instant payments.

Had couple of questions so I called up them and had my questions answered.
Quick and good costumer service.


If you decide to sign up ask my referral link via PM.

See, they never really resolved the credibility of their parent company Hashcoins for me, with super miners that were always about to be released but never quite made it.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1147765.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=417623.760

Also, if you read the second linked topic there, it appears that there is a problem with payouts. Are you not experiencing this too?

HashCoins is on cloud mining as HashFlare https://hashflare.io.
Can a customer of HashFlare post current earnings for SHA-256 in BTC ? (Maintenance fee, payout)
How often do you withdraw money from your account ? (eg. daily, weekly, monthly)

I tried on the 11.08. No sign of live until now. Last time i withdrawed was in July. I contact them something like every 3 weeks to get the money out of my account.

I have an account at http://cloud.hashcoins.com.
I have this message on my dashboard:
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Dear Users!

Until recently, maintenance and electricity fees for some users have been less than stated or was absent entirely as according to the agreements.

In the nearest future, our specialists will enable the standard fees in the amount of 1.4 USD per 1 TH/s of SHA-256 per day and 0.01 USD per 1 MH/s of Scrypt per day, as stated on our website. Payouts will not be available during this time, since we also need to calculate the amounts of unpaid fees of some users. The unpaid fees will be deducted from the affected users' accounts and they will receive an email with the calculations.

We appreciate your understanding. No additional charges will be made, the equipment continues to mine.

Does anyone have this message? It passed a month and payouts still not working!

Generally reading their threads, they seem to be supported mainly by fairly obvious shills/sock puppets, although of course I am not suggesting you are one, even if you come from the same city as them.
The things that attract you to them would put me off, especially the 10% referral scheme. Referral schemes make no sense in cloud mining.



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September 05, 2015, 11:05:17 PM
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Quick question, now you know without doubt that scrypt.cc is a fraudulent operation, are you going to remove the referral link from your signature?


Sure Sir. (its done, thx for reminding)

But no worries, i can assure that NOONE  has been 'trapped' by me, for scrypt.cc
My referral page shows: 0 referred user

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Better try CloudMining.website. They list out referral return...

http://www.cloudmining.website/affiliates.php
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What once was a good thread is now of limited use with people taking it over to advertise HYIPs. Puppet has not even posted since May.

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What once was a good thread is now of limited use with people taking it over to advertise HYIPs. Puppet has not even posted since May.

I agree that many posts here try to promote HYIPs and Puppet don't monitor the thread to delete them but the OP is of great value and with the help of the community members let's unmask here the ponzis.

I also want to mention that I don't trust the opinion of people that promote a service by posting and at the same time participate in its signature campaign or advertise promo codes. Their opinion involves personal profit so I don't think it is honest and unbiased.
I don't mean that all signature campaigners are bad guys but that they have personal interest promoting a service motivated by profit. A lot of ponzis employee these methods and I think many signature campaigners help them without knowing it.

Bad guys are the ponzi owners that create fake accounts and post to promote their scam with positive reviews as customers...

So i urge everyone that wants to invest in cloud mining or other related stuff to read the OP very carefully to understand it, to do his research and invest only what he can afford to lose.
The OP cloud mining tables may not be updated to include new ones but the rules are valid, so that everyone can do the math... If someone can't do the math then i suggest to him not to invest in anything.

▁ ▂ ▄ ▅ ▆ Cloudmining 101: how to avoid scams / ponzis  ▆ ▅ ▄ ▂ ▁
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September 06, 2015, 01:35:32 PM
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What once was a good thread is now of limited use with people taking it over to advertise HYIPs. Puppet has not even posted since May.

Welp, it's only puppet that can delete posts. It's sad that people come here to advertise HYIPs and other schemes but I think it's very ineffective. This very thread crushes the notion that cloud mining without proof can be legit. Posting here trying to advertise one seems like a huge waste of time as such posts are destined to be condemned by more experienced members that still reply here.


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September 06, 2015, 04:05:59 PM
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What once was a good thread is now of limited use with people taking it over to advertise HYIPs. Puppet has not even posted since May.
Is that unexpected ? Primary purpose of this thread was to promote AM hash. It has served its purpose. Why would he waste his time here for no monetory benefit ?
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September 06, 2015, 04:31:28 PM
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What once was a good thread is now of limited use with people taking it over to advertise HYIPs. Puppet has not even posted since May.
Is that unexpected ? Primary purpose of this thread was to promote AM hash. It has served its purpose. Why would he waste his time here for no monetory benefit ?

Says a ponzi shill with a fake trust rating in the profile pic. Still butthurt that your site got 7/7?


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September 06, 2015, 05:34:54 PM
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What once was a good thread is now of limited use with people taking it over to advertise HYIPs. Puppet has not even posted since May.
Is that unexpected ? Primary purpose of this thread was to promote AM hash. It has served its purpose. Why would he waste his time here for no monetory benefit ?
Instead of character assassination, why don't you try to address the points in the OP? There's obviously a conflict of interest here and you coming here to advertise doesn't help you look better. 


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September 06, 2015, 06:38:55 PM
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Why would he waste his time here for no monetory benefit ?

The same question could be asked of you.
The answer, in your case, would be that you hope for a monetary benefit through the continued promotion of your Ponzi by the various shill accounts you have set up, spam posting your "monitor" link and calculator everywhere in the hope of catching a noob 'investor'.

The pressure appears to be telling on you though; after your pathetic attempt to turn your totally deserved negative trust into a Meta issue was completely ignored, you have now resorted to faking your trust rating, using the traditional scammer complaint that the trust system is faulty and you are an innocent bystander.
Sad but predictable.
I don't know why Puppet doesn't post much any more and don't particularly care.
This thread and its parameters are still useful for newcomers trying to find something vaguely approaching a legitimate investment in cloud mining, and recognizing and avoiding likely ponzis like the shit you peddle.

You seem to think that if you repeat enough times the bizarre notion that this thread was part of an AmHash long con, then it will become so.
This is incorrect.
All it does is make your real trust look 100% appropriate. And by association, your CloudMining.Website 100% untrustworthy.

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September 11, 2015, 02:25:46 AM
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I'm sure i haven't lost as much money as most, but I am tired of cloud mining scams. Coinwallet.io. Cloud-staking. Does that count as cloud mining?

Not a referral link, just saying. Not a promotion or anything. I can see my balance and withdrawal anytime.


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September 15, 2015, 09:00:57 AM
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Hi guys, can you help me?

"http://www.cloudmining.website" is safe?

I work only with "hashnet" ,but i want try change.
What do you think?

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You will get two different answers to that question.
You will get one answer from the handful of shills who promote it with the slogan "It pays so it must be legit".
These alt accounts, led by German Giant, will also, if you are lucky, post a link to a meaningless HYIP monitor site as further "proof".

The other answer is from actual real people who were unfortunately suckered into "investing" in this opaque ponzi, similar to this


Are you trying to say that he is receiving $0.13 on average per day from you CMW, not $5.63 as predicted by the calculator, because of luck?

I'm awaiting for the space ship with which I reached this green planet.

Hopefully it will come and get you soon. Your shilling is embarassing now.



Another .14 cents today, woohoo!  There's 113 days left in 2015.  Because we don't know future difficulty, let's say my 2.57 TH consistently pay out an average of $5.63. 
I can expect the following:

CMW:  113 * .14 = $15.82
What I should have been earning:  113 * 5.63 =  $636.19

CMW's share of my 2.57 TH investment:  97.52% of earnings   
My share:  2.48% of earnings

Now, if someone was taking 97.52% of your earnings, wouldn't you be upset too?


Similar calculations for me.. To get ROI i need around 3 years more!      (contract from November 2014)

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You will get two different answers to that question.
You will get one answer from the handful of shills who promote it with the slogan "It pays so it must be legit".
These alt accounts, led by German Giant, will also, if you are lucky, post a link to a meaningless HYIP monitor site as further "proof".

The other answer is from actual real people who were unfortunately suckered into "investing" in this opaque ponzi, similar to this


Are you trying to say that he is receiving $0.13 on average per day from you CMW, not $5.63 as predicted by the calculator, because of luck?

I'm awaiting for the space ship with which I reached this green planet.

Hopefully it will come and get you soon. Your shilling is embarassing now.



Another .14 cents today, woohoo!  There's 113 days left in 2015.  Because we don't know future difficulty, let's say my 2.57 TH consistently pay out an average of $5.63.  
I can expect the following:

CMW:  113 * .14 = $15.82
What I should have been earning:  113 * 5.63 =  $636.19

CMW's share of my 2.57 TH investment:  97.52% of earnings  
My share:  2.48% of earnings

Now, if someone was taking 97.52% of your earnings, wouldn't you be upset too?


Similar calculations for me.. To get ROI i need around 3 years more!     (contract from November 2014)

I tried my luck on cloudmining an got burned by some. The only one at the moment where i hit ROI in 4 Months is cloudmining.website
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September 15, 2015, 01:11:03 PM
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Hi guys, can you help me?

"http://www.cloudmining.website" is safe?

I work only with "hashnet" ,but i want try change.
What do you think?
are you want to leave hashnet and join cloudmining.website Huh

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cloudmining.website   1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi

cloudmining.website  is 100% PONZI


better you still earning at hashnet

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September 21, 2015, 11:08:16 AM
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Unfortunately, Genesis Mining stopped paying out two days ago =( The days before that the payouts dropped dramatically. Genesis Mining representatives have not been available to comment.

It still might be a case of a big technical issue, however after four days of radio silence from GM the chances of that are growing slim.

Edit: as it seems to turn out, they just became unprofitable as per the terms of their agreement, with the 4,17% rise in diff as of the 17th of september.

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October 02, 2015, 06:01:50 PM
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OP, your list seems outdated so I would like to make some updates to your current listing.

Ponzi's that have already collapsed as predicted:

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PBmining.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Lunaminer.com         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
coinsoncloud.eu       1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Cryptomine.io         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
hashie.co             1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitcoinlabmining.com  1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
ltcgear               1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = (very) suspicious
hashprofit.com        1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
minethatcloud.com     1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
CoIntellect.com       1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
terabox.me            1+2+3*+4+5+6+7*    => 7*/7 = Ponzi (pictures are not at all convincing, exit strategy involves  60+ days stall tactic)
chabatmining.com      1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Ecrypto.co.in         1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ confirmed scam, they are no partners of cex.io)
GenerateBTC.com       1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
cloudminr.io          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
grmining.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
hashwar.co            1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
bitrush.com           1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
scrypt.cc             1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8    => 7/7 = Ponzi
Kryptologika          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Cryptsy MN            1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi ( + no details on fee structure) (withdrawl problems noticed!)


Likely Ponzi scams that have yet to collapse:
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cloudmining.website   1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi
Skycoinlab.com        1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ organized by serial ponzi scammer: ?topic=583177.msg10298730)
btcslice.com          1+2+3+4+5+6+7      => 7/7 = Ponzi (+ pays out in reversible paypal ?)
bitcoinmaker.ch       1+2+3+4+6+7+8      => 7/7 = Ponzi
eobot.com             1+2+3+5+6+7        => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ possible malware/wallet stealing software)
nexusmining.com       1+2*+3+4+5+7       => 6/7 = Ponzi (Guy from Spondoolies says im wrong, but I can't score what I haven't seen and he seems to confirm they have no hardware)
minerslab.com         1+2+3+4+6+7        => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ selling hardware that doesnt exist + using purchased "legendary" account)
bitcoincloudservices  1+2+4+5+6*+7       => 6/7 = Ponzi (+ founded by known scammer  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=860400.msg9638868#msg9638868)
cloudmining.sg        1+2+4+6+7          => 5/7 = Ponzi (Founder's LinkedIn account deleted, Uses Weebly's free checkout platform)
hashcoins.com
and hashflare.io     ~1+2+3+4+7          => 5/7 = (very) suspicious (user selectable pool requires fee, dc pictures show no miners, linkedin profile doctored, hardware sales very dubious,..) (*now owned by hashflare.io)
Zeushash              1+2+3+4+5          => 5/7 = (very) suspicious


Rest:
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genesis-mining.com    1+4+7              => 3/7 = Probably legit (risk of fractional reserve mining)
pow88.com             1+2+5              => 3/7 = Probably legit (preliminary assessment) (Suspicious referral bonus : 1% hourly !!!)
Bit-x.com             1+4                => 2/7 = Probably legit (preliminary assessment, partnership confirmed by Bitfury)
haobtc.com            1                  => 1/7 = Legit (investment based cloudmining company => https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1023187.0)
bw.com                                   => 0/7 = Legit
Hashnest                                 => 0/7 = Legit

Obsolete or suspended:
Code:
AMhash                                   => 0/7 = Legit
KNCcloud              7                  => 1/7 = Legit
Cex.io                4                  => 1/7 = Legit
Cryptx PETAmine                          => 0/7 = Legit
Megamine.com          1+4                => 2/7 = Probably legit
GAWminers             1+4+5+~7           => 4/7*= Possibly/partially legit based on criteria set forth. Based on wider context: more suspicious than a nun squatting in a cucumber field

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I can't find genesis-mining.com anywhere....
Seems to be legit, but lacking of transparency, pooldata, hardware and so on  Wink

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I can't find genesis-mining.com anywhere....
Seems to be legit, but lacking of transparency, pooldata, hardware and so on  Wink

Right there:

genesis-mining        1+4+7              => 3/7 = Probably legit (risk of fractional reserve mining)

Genesis Mining is most likely legitimate it just never has been a good deal for the buyer. They are not transparent and once you buy a contract you are stuck. I would think by now they are running out of noobs to sell to. No one who takes the time to research would buy hashing they cannot turn around and sell the same day if they like. Stick to Hashnest, Bit-X and BW.com.

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I can't find genesis-mining.com anywhere....
Seems to be legit, but lacking of transparency, pooldata, hardware and so on  Wink

Please look into the "rest" section to find the list of "probably legit" and "legit" services (at present) Smiley
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I can't find genesis-mining.com anywhere....
Seems to be legit, but lacking of transparency, pooldata, hardware and so on  Wink

Right there:

genesis-mining        1+4+7              => 3/7 = Probably legit (risk of fractional reserve mining)

Genesis Mining is most likely legitimate it just never has been a good deal for the buyer. They are not transparent and once you buy a contract you are stuck. I would think by now they are running out of noobs to sell to. No one who takes the time to research would buy hashing they cannot turn around and sell the same day if they like. Stick to Hashnest, Bit-X and BW.com.

Aah thank you, found it  Smiley

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