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September 06, 2012, 08:06:57 PM
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The WoT is next to worthless now anyway. after all, pirate had the highest rating. Is he still an op in #bitcoin-otc? lol

That's not how you use it. This ain't Ebay, there is no "global highest rating". You have to check out *who* rated people highly, and it needs more time to let trusted users make a reputation.

It's trivial to spam 50 small accounts and have them all rate someone 10. Is the resulting 500-rating worth anything? Not really. But the WoT displays much more than that, and this is very useful and should become even more useful with time. Gribble also has a feature to find out how people you trust rated someone.

Its not about the raw rating, but instead the L2 rating.  How well is the person trusted by the people you trust?

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September 06, 2012, 08:09:33 PM
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That's not how you use it. This ain't Ebay, there is no "global highest rating". You have to check out *who* rated people highly, and it needs more time to let trusted users make a reputation.

It's trivial to spam 50 small accounts and have them all rate someone 10. Is the resulting 500-rating worth anything? Not really. But the WoT displays much more than that, and this is very useful and should become even more useful with time. Gribble also has a feature to find out how people you trust rated someone.
The default rating displayed seems to be the global one. In any case, I believe that pirateat40 had positive ratings from a number of trusted members of the community including nanotube. The problem is that the fact that someone's carried out small Bitcoin-Paypal exchanges honestly doesn't mean they're trustworthy to handle a 500,000 BTC investment that looks strangely like a Ponzi. I believe various Silk Road customers may also have discovered this problem with ratings the hard way.

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September 06, 2012, 08:13:10 PM
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The WoT is next to worthless now anyway. after all, pirate had the highest rating. Is he still an op in #bitcoin-otc? lol

That's not how you use it. This ain't Ebay, there is no "global highest rating". You have to check out *who* rated people highly, and it needs more time to let trusted users make a reputation.

It's trivial to spam 50 small accounts and have them all rate someone 10. Is the resulting 500-rating worth anything? Not really. But the WoT displays much more than that, and this is very useful and should become even more useful with time. Gribble also has a feature to find out how people you trust rated someone.

Its not about the raw rating, but instead the L2 rating.  How well is the person trusted by the people you trust?

pirate was rated highly by a bunch of other highly-rated people. everyone can see how easy it was to game that whole channel. is pirate still an op there?

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September 06, 2012, 08:22:46 PM
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The WoT is next to worthless now anyway. after all, pirate had the highest rating. Is he still an op in #bitcoin-otc? lol

That's not how you use it. This ain't Ebay, there is no "global highest rating". You have to check out *who* rated people highly, and it needs more time to let trusted users make a reputation.

It's trivial to spam 50 small accounts and have them all rate someone 10. Is the resulting 500-rating worth anything? Not really. But the WoT displays much more than that, and this is very useful and should become even more useful with time. Gribble also has a feature to find out how people you trust rated someone.

Its not about the raw rating, but instead the L2 rating.  How well is the person trusted by the people you trust?

pirate was rated highly by a bunch of other highly-rated people. everyone can see how easy it was to game that whole channel. is pirate still an op there?

Yep. People really trust the OTC, wayyy too much. I can downrate you by the color of your skin if I wanted. What kind of a bullshit rating system is that?

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September 06, 2012, 09:04:14 PM
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The WoT is next to worthless now anyway. after all, pirate had the highest rating. Is he still an op in #bitcoin-otc? lol

That's not how you use it. This ain't Ebay, there is no "global highest rating". You have to check out *who* rated people highly, and it needs more time to let trusted users make a reputation.

It's trivial to spam 50 small accounts and have them all rate someone 10. Is the resulting 500-rating worth anything? Not really. But the WoT displays much more than that, and this is very useful and should become even more useful with time. Gribble also has a feature to find out how people you trust rated someone.

Its not about the raw rating, but instead the L2 rating.  How well is the person trusted by the people you trust?

pirate was rated highly by a bunch of other highly-rated people. everyone can see how easy it was to game that whole channel. is pirate still an op there?

Yep. People really trust the OTC, wayyy too much. I can downrate you by the color of your skin if I wanted. What kind of a bullshit rating system is that?
That's why you only ever use the "gettrust" command.

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September 06, 2012, 10:34:14 PM
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pirate was rated highly by a bunch of other highly-rated people. everyone can see how easy it was to game that whole channel. is pirate still an op there?

As crazy as this sounds, ops aren't determined by their wot status.  There are several ops with barely any rating and others with a very high rating.  Nanotube is the sole arbiter of who gets ops and when and he tends to be slow, calculating, methodical with all of his decisions.  Just because pirate hasn't had his +o flag removed to date, doesn't mean it won't happen.  I'd suggest you talk to nanotube if its an issue for you.

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September 06, 2012, 10:38:58 PM
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Yep. People really trust the OTC, wayyy too much. I can downrate you by the color of your skin if I wanted. What kind of a bullshit rating system is that?

Pirate's reputation is quite amusing too. He has a "+5 paid for my burger" making up for several "-1 stole my life savings and murdered my dog". No sense of proportion whatsoever. But if you know the community I guess you can get a good idea. A common pattern is building reputation with small things and then "breaking bad", you can see several such users. Creating another one is just a matter of time and patience.

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September 06, 2012, 10:43:41 PM
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Yep. People really trust the OTC, wayyy too much. I can downrate you by the color of your skin if I wanted. What kind of a bullshit rating system is that?

Pirate's reputation is quite amusing too. He has a "+5 paid for my burger" making up for several "-1 stole my life savings and murdered my dog". No sense of proportion whatsoever. But if know the community I guess you can get a good idea. A common pattern is building reputation with small things and then "breaking bad", you can see several such users. Creating another one is just a matter of time and patience.
I gave him a -10 for "defaulted on large loan."

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September 06, 2012, 11:05:49 PM
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pirate was rated highly by a bunch of other highly-rated people. everyone can see how easy it was to game that whole channel. is pirate still an op there?

As crazy as this sounds, ops aren't determined by their wot status.  There are several ops with barely any rating and others with a very high rating.  Nanotube is the sole arbiter of who gets ops and when and he tends to be slow, calculating, methodical with all of his decisions.  Just because pirate hasn't had his +o flag removed to date, doesn't mean it won't happen.  I'd suggest you talk to nanotube if its an issue for you.

Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

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September 06, 2012, 11:26:01 PM
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Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

How was that pro-pirate?  In fact, it wasn't a comment about pirate at all, rather how someone is an op in -otc.  If it was based purely on ratings, sturles or myself would have been ops long ago.  It bothers me to see people criticize wot as being this sham of mechanism, when it isn't intended to be the be all, end all.  Its just another tool when figuring out whether you want to do business with someone. 

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September 06, 2012, 11:32:17 PM
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Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

How was that pro-pirate?  In fact, it wasn't a comment about pirate at all, rather how someone is an op in -otc.  If it was based purely on ratings, sturles or myself would have been ops long ago.  It bothers me to see people criticize wot as being this sham of mechanism, when it isn't intended to be the be all, end all.  Its just another tool when figuring out whether you want to do business with someone. 

Where did I ever say that that particular post was "pro-pirate"?

I said most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate".

Get your facts straight.

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September 06, 2012, 11:41:28 PM
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Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

How was that pro-pirate?  In fact, it wasn't a comment about pirate at all, rather how someone is an op in -otc.  If it was based purely on ratings, sturles or myself would have been ops long ago.  It bothers me to see people criticize wot as being this sham of mechanism, when it isn't intended to be the be all, end all.  Its just another tool when figuring out whether you want to do business with someone. 

Where did I ever say that that particular post was "pro-pirate"?

I said most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate".

Get your facts straight.

Ah, right.  Perhaps you should start your own thread then instead of hijacking this one.

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Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

How was that pro-pirate?  In fact, it wasn't a comment about pirate at all, rather how someone is an op in -otc.  If it was based purely on ratings, sturles or myself would have been ops long ago.  It bothers me to see people criticize wot as being this sham of mechanism, when it isn't intended to be the be all, end all.  Its just another tool when figuring out whether you want to do business with someone. 

Where did I ever say that that particular post was "pro-pirate"?

I said most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate".

Get your facts straight.

Ah, right.  Perhaps you should start your own thread then instead of hijacking this one.


This thread has been hijacked since page 2. Both of you are as off topic as each other, so I don't really see a problem with what smoothie wrote. Sorry, imsaguy.

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Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

How was that pro-pirate?  In fact, it wasn't a comment about pirate at all, rather how someone is an op in -otc.  If it was based purely on ratings, sturles or myself would have been ops long ago.  It bothers me to see people criticize wot as being this sham of mechanism, when it isn't intended to be the be all, end all.  Its just another tool when figuring out whether you want to do business with someone.  

Where did I ever say that that particular post was "pro-pirate"?

I said most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate".

Get your facts straight.

Ah, right.  Perhaps you should start your own thread then instead of hijacking this one.

Good job trying to divert attention away from your obvious support for pirate. Maybe you'll get paid first.  Roll Eyes

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September 07, 2012, 12:25:50 AM
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Most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate". I tend to wonder why as should others here on this forum.

How was that pro-pirate?  In fact, it wasn't a comment about pirate at all, rather how someone is an op in -otc.  If it was based purely on ratings, sturles or myself would have been ops long ago.  It bothers me to see people criticize wot as being this sham of mechanism, when it isn't intended to be the be all, end all.  Its just another tool when figuring out whether you want to do business with someone.  

Where did I ever say that that particular post was "pro-pirate"?

I said most of your posts appear to be "pro-pirate".

Get your facts straight.

Ah, right.  Perhaps you should start your own thread then instead of hijacking this one.

Good job trying to divert attention away from your obvious support for pirate. Maybe you'll get paid first.  Roll Eyes

Meh, here's my obvious support of pirate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=103623.msg1138804#msg1138804

I've not shied from that.

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September 07, 2012, 12:55:27 AM
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Meh, here's my obvious support of pirate: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=103623.msg1138804#msg1138804
I've not shied from that.

Oh you mean like how you supported him in the following links?

Here you ask the mods to provide proof that pirate was a scammer. Hmm lot's has changed since then huh?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91389.msg1006255#msg1006255


Here is a link where you basicly try to tell "nay sayers" to "GTFO" and that "we" aren't asking to be warned.
That faired well now huh. Also that your time was being wasted by people trying to warn others of a possible
ponzi/scam.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg1004814#msg1004814


And here you try to make an analogy of finding an oil well etc. and a ponzi. LOL!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91306.msg1008581#msg1008581


And here where you try to "point out" how a ponzi would operate. Well looks like deposits are restricted eh
given pirate hasn't returned much if anything at all?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg1006663#msg1006663


Oh and my favorite where you try to use an analogy of apple hiding their products that they are working on
to compare to an operation (BTCST) that hides its BUSINESS MODEL. Apple doesn't even hide their business
model. They sell electronics. Good job trying to debunk that thought to help support BTCST/pirate.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91643.msg1009656#msg1009656

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September 07, 2012, 01:36:43 AM
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snipped for sake of readability.

Feel better now?  The first link is still a valid request.  Why is there no scammer tag?

As to the rest, so it seems I was wrong.  That doesn't make me responsible.

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Oh you mean like how you supported him in the following links?

Here you ask the mods to provide proof that pirate was a scammer. Hmm lot's has changed since then huh?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91389.msg1006255#msg1006255


Here is a link where you basicly try to tell "nay sayers" to "GTFO" and that "we" aren't asking to be warned.
That faired well now huh. Also that your time was being wasted by people trying to warn others of a possible
ponzi/scam.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg1004814#msg1004814


And here you try to make an analogy of finding an oil well etc. and a ponzi. LOL!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91306.msg1008581#msg1008581


And here where you try to "point out" how a ponzi would operate. Well looks like deposits are restricted eh
given pirate hasn't returned much if anything at all?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.msg1006663#msg1006663


Oh and my favorite where you try to use an analogy of apple hiding their products that they are working on
to compare to an operation (BTCST) that hides its BUSINESS MODEL. Apple doesn't even hide their business
model. They sell electronics. Good job trying to debunk that thought to help support BTCST/pirate.


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=91643.msg1009656#msg1009656

Feel better now?  The first link is still a valid request.  Why is there no scammer tag?

As to the rest, so it seems I was wrong.  That doesn't make me responsible.

I always feel good. lol thanks for asking.

If you were an avid participant in collecting investor funds and got a cut of the profits you are responsible in my eyes. All the signs were there and you even tried to tell the nay-sayers to GTFO and to shut up. Why o why? because perhaps there was a chance of your little game going bye bye.

You supported pirate obviously which at some level makes you even at least partially at fault.

Edit: Not only were you wrong but your bogus analogies to support pirate are pathetic. Your logic there actually baffles me on how far you would try to stretch an analogy to make like the idea of investing with pirate a good idea.

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September 07, 2012, 01:57:46 AM
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I always feel good. lol thanks for asking.

If you were an avid participant in collecting investor funds and got a cut of the profits you are responsible in my eyes. All the signs were there and you even tried to tell the nay-sayers to GTFO and to shut up. Why o why? because perhaps there was a chance of your little game going bye bye.

You supported pirate obviously which at some level makes you even at least partially at fault.

Edit: Not only were you wrong but your bogus analogies to support pirate are pathetic. Your logic there actually baffles me on how far you would try to stretch an analogy to make like the idea of investing with pirate a good idea.

Those quotes are over a month old.  The very little I made from the PPT was actually tied up in funds I let lay dormant as insurance.  There was something unique about the first PPT.  Everyone else was just offering lower rates and were the ones who really profited from it.  I sold my PPT interest and exited it.

While you might consider my belief that pirate was doing something legit pathetic, the people that commented after my explanation found it reasonable.  I'm not asking for your forgiveness and at this point, you trolling me about it serves no real purpose. 

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September 07, 2012, 02:33:24 AM
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I always feel good. lol thanks for asking.

If you were an avid participant in collecting investor funds and got a cut of the profits you are responsible in my eyes. All the signs were there and you even tried to tell the nay-sayers to GTFO and to shut up. Why o why? because perhaps there was a chance of your little game going bye bye.

You supported pirate obviously which at some level makes you even at least partially at fault.

Edit: Not only were you wrong but your bogus analogies to support pirate are pathetic. Your logic there actually baffles me on how far you would try to stretch an analogy to make like the idea of investing with pirate a good idea.

Those quotes are over a month old.  The very little I made from the PPT was actually tied up in funds I let lay dormant as insurance.  There was something unique about the first PPT.  Everyone else was just offering lower rates and were the ones who really profited from it.  I sold my PPT interest and exited it.

While you might consider my belief that pirate was doing something legit pathetic, the people that commented after my explanation found it reasonable.  I'm not asking for your forgiveness and at this point, you trolling me about it serves no real purpose. 

It's not trolling if I'm pointing out the facts/truth about your stance concerning pirate. All I see from you is backpedaling. Which is quite entertaining. Thanks for that!  Cheesy

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