[ANN] [LTC] [PPS] [OTP 2FA] [Stratum only] LTCMine PPS mining pool (3.3%)

[Balthazar]

B этoй oтпpaвкe кoмиccия былa выcтaвлeнa нyлeвaя пoчти для вcex тpaнзaкций, нo нeкoтopыe кoмиccию вce жe cняли.

Кoмиccия в кpиптoвaлютax бepeтcя c oтпpaвитeля, a нe пoлyчaтeля.

[YipYip]

So u are mining again in some shape or form

Long story short I would like to get my 69 ltc that I mined legitimately that is sitting in my pool account

You have ~3000-4000 in returned funds and money that you have added etc

What is the timeline when i can get mt ltc ??

[Balthazar]

YipYip, PM.

[Avtobio]

Ecть oдин нюaнc кoтopый я нe пoнял из вceгo нaпиcaнoгo a тoчнee вoзмoжнo yтoчнить eгo. У мeня ocтaлocь 17 лaйтoв и вcя cтaтиcтикa зaмopoжeнa. B дaнный мoмeнт ecть oпpeдeлeннoe кoличecтвo лaйтoв кoтopыe вepнyли. Bce эти лaйты бyдyт пoдeлeны мeждy вceми yчacтникaми(вoзмoжнo кpoмe тex ктo вывeл нo тaк и нe вepнyл ecли этo вoзмoжнo oпpeдeлить) чepeз нeкoтopoe вpeмя. тaк? Ecли вce бyдeт yдaчнo тo мoжeт и вce вepнeтcя? Ceйчac я нa пopтe 3334 дня 3. Зa этo вpeмя мнe нaчиcлили 0.2 лaйтa. Taк кaк пyл paбoтaeт и вcя cтaтиcтикa oбнoвляeтcя кaждыe 2 дня(гдe -тo) тo мнe cтoит oжидaть ocтaльнyю чacть лaйтoв нa тoт aдpec кoтopый y мeня нa лтцмaйнe и aвтoмaтoм пpиxoдит нa биpжy. Я вce пpaвильнo пoнимaю? Бyдy блaгoдapeн зa oтвeт. C yвaжeниeм...

[joeperry]

So u are mining again in some shape or form

Long story short I would like to get my 69 ltc that I mined legitimately that is sitting in my pool account

You have ~3000-4000 in returned funds and money that you have added etc

What is the timeline when i can get mt ltc ??

Balthazar, the same question, could you send a PM?

[trid]

So u are mining again in some shape or form

Long story short I would like to get my 69 ltc that I mined legitimately that is sitting in my pool account

You have ~3000-4000 in returned funds and money that you have added etc

What is the timeline when i can get mt ltc ??

Balthazar, the same question, could you send a PM?

Same question, about my 56 LTC

[kllr123]

So u are mining again in some shape or form

Long story short I would like to get my 69 ltc that I mined legitimately that is sitting in my pool account

You have ~3000-4000 in returned funds and money that you have added etc

What is the timeline when i can get mt ltc ??

Same question ^^

[Tomcat_mkii]

So u are mining again in some shape or form

Long story short I would like to get my 69 ltc that I mined legitimately that is sitting in my pool account

You have ~3000-4000 in returned funds and money that you have added etc

What is the timeline when i can get mt ltc ??

Balthazar, the same question, could you send a PM?

My 11 lites is much more important!!
All ltcmine users asks the same question, Balthazar should automate the PM sending 

[Balthazar]

It's not funny and answer to this questions is obvious for all, unfortunately.

There are two options:

1) Pay all frozen balances proportionally from available funds (1770 returned coins + my reserves), then close pool and forget or remember this;
2) Try to cover a part of frozen balances using fees, withdrawal limits and (possible) luck. This could take some time, but the final value will be higher than 1/3.

But anyway, it's almost impossible to pay all balances in full amount. For the reasonable time, at least. We simply don't have enough coins for such suicide action, and nothing could help us with that. You can see numbers on your balances, but again, the real funds volume is approximately 3 times lower than balances sum. Try to understand this before asking such questions, please.

I'm sorry for saying this words and it would be nice to say something different, but you are all deserve to know the truth before making any decision.

[angelkarajov]

Second option is better for all miners.

[butjust41day]

Balthazar my frozen funds are small (only a little over 8 coins) and I would rather loose some (or all) of them then see the pool close. I tried several pools before I settled on yours. I can only empathize with what must be your disappointment in the lack of returned funds and the possible ending of your pool.

The fact is that no matter what you do here some individuals will have negative reactions. So I hope you suit yourself and do exactly what is best for you. Your hard work and dedication has been awesome.

[Pmalek]

I think you should be persistant in asking for donations! People are aware that this is the far most honest pool out there. It deserves to be saved! We should open a asking donations thread for the pool and I am sure that LTCs in great amounts will come in. You should also except other currences for donations! Everybody will contribute as much as they can! I wouldnt give up on the pool. The lost amount seems huge, but when people unite it is nothing that cant be done! 

[joeperry]

It's not funny and answer to this questions is obvious for all, unfortunately.

There are two options:

1) Pay all frozen balances proportionally from available funds (1770 returned coins + my reserves), then close pool and forget or remember this;
2) Try to cover a part of frozen balances using fees, withdrawal limits and (possible) luck. This could take some time, but the final value will be higher than 1/3.

But anyway, it's almost impossible to pay all balances in full amount. For the reasonable time, at least. We simply don't have enough coins for such suicide action, and nothing could help us with that. You can see numbers on your balances, but again, the real funds volume is approximately 3 times lower than balances sum. Try to understand this before asking such questions, please.

I'm sorry for saying this words and it would be nice to say something different, but you are all deserve to know the truth before making any decision.

Balthazar could be annoying for you these questions, but you must undestand that our money time, and energy goes here, not only you are investing life in this business.

Thanks for your answer,  here in my country we say "the more clear you speak, the more friends we are", so dont get upset about our questions, I need info to make a decission.

I think that B) option is the best, by far.

If you pay at least 1/3 of our credits, I promise to join again to ltcmine.ru (II), my hash power is low (only 1.4 Mhash/s), but I´ll increase if ROI soon, I´ll join even if you raise your fees to 5%, after that I think you can plan another paymen for next month or so. The raise in the fees could help to pay all the credits sooner.

Like me, I think too many people will do, but if you dont pay, your pools wont succeed.

But is you who have to make an appointment in the calendar and sayin this day I´ll pay 1/3 and the pool will be full functional.

Best wishes.

[Tomcat_mkii]

If you pay at least 1/3 of our credits, I promise to join again to ltcmine.ru (II), my hash power is low (only 1.4 Mhash/s), but I´ll increase if ROI soon, I´ll join even if you raise your fees to 5%, after that I think you can plan another paymen for next month or so. The raise in the fees could help to pay all the credits sooner.

Like me, I think too many people will do, but if you dont pay, your pools wont succeed.

But is you who have to make an appointment in the calendar and sayin this day I´ll pay 1/3 and the pool will be full functional.

I agree, this would be the best choice 

[ZPK]

It's not funny and answer to this questions is obvious for all, unfortunately.

There are two options:

1) Pay all frozen balances proportionally from available funds (1770 returned coins + my reserves), then close pool and forget or remember this;
2) Try to cover a part of frozen balances using fees, withdrawal limits and (possible) luck. This could take some time, but the final value will be higher than 1/3.

But anyway, it's almost impossible to pay all balances in full amount. For the reasonable time, at least. We simply don't have enough coins for such suicide action, and nothing could help us with that. You can see numbers on your balances, but again, the real funds volume is approximately 3 times lower than balances sum. Try to understand this before asking such questions, please.

I'm sorry for saying this words and it would be nice to say something different, but you are all deserve to know the truth before making any decision.

I choose Second options, and i think needs to add 1-2% fees+donate+luck+comissions to fund victims. That fund should be go to pay other full frozen payment.

[Balthazar]

Stats snapshot for last two days.

Blocks mined: 19

Blocks list:

http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/fc3bc6706bd7812a6e267dddb75cd66b836edd11c6014372cc550333b1a8dbd6
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/e1f772a24a56e36642914d678a0f85fd136566994c8e297832cd5a81f274e907
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/c535ce466ef8691fb0918a269744ba67b8c9069de1d8035821940454e74816c1
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/f09b7bae6c546ce14f0a5d586e8dee700a6ca7686f168a8cd62db1404fbefb1c
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/a3d9260cda5f0cd3f9cb2aded6d03dfbb34a3ef072bb8c36b6929f60be953fad
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/18e165c2099e29a1d0a4941cd0e74d2e5a11d35b413c3f4e4caee7b1b27935b6
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/2a124b78db665ae6682279ae71d23b5d416fefbd940a1eff6de7f6ef3f6e235a
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/0ce0b7e30d2e1caf6c52d1f33e83e4bc790a0038056e7e29786b5bebb04e7d38
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/debe05a4fdfd9a7549e6c1982982cfbf7c7049a6785953c48d71979f15fb088b
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/6d85a55b40536305511d8eb2dd790af5e18b483112e98214e00453e6751d50bc
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/7bcdc2368ed2a44d6236bf482c4e17d4468a24f43ad086381af5eeff9d113827
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/e909dcfaee7688f9847f208334705ad0157894227fca45bba552d2a6b0593627
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/1d3ee47e5e836534a1be77c0496c389e7217d61f324473713051c81eb5577ec8
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/a1a04ac260ac7050383ff36b41a512af55c7039337198ec10331ce1b70ba158e
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/d60bc48d323901b88f19298515022aaaf16260813e49b7d9a9ae93f0b30eaf0e
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/fc20690a006e4fc61c3d47c3dc3b0112a590a4ad14ae621f12ba3cce3b4fddd9
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/edc220c873d6f668d42a78f9f1a5c9fe1b49e4399fa431b0a83f1f34e2f4c0fa
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/bff0f745644bab4adffd5bec234dbe8c46f77b2b6921872ee686ab3acdaa6264
http://explorer.litecoin.net/block/f58ab428c26dc36cdf4792f9f3e68a0661d63d61f0f72ed4edf35b0d6ca8095a

Winning shares list:

1372695235.19   MapmuH_0        Y       Y       None    533.0
1372695485.59   sashka_0        Y       Y       None    468.0
1372701740.9    npoBokaTop_8    Y       Y       None    437.0
1372704795.87   MGTN_0  Y       Y       None    334.0
1372720044.12   npoBokaTop_8    Y       Y       None    256.0
1372743905.85   SERG1k_0        Y       Y       None    1194.0
1372745666.39   MGTN_5  Y       Y       None    468.0
1372760993.47   Kole_1  Y       Y       None    256.0
1372772822.42   GansQ_2 Y       Y       None    332.0
1372783170.7    thefirstnutzo_1 Y       Y       None    256.0
1372792907.87   pavimus_2       Y       Y       None    427.0
1372800504.09   Alekcv_11       Y       Y       None    803.0
1372802981.01   msky_0  Y       Y       None    256.0
1372807771.19   PaulBorodin_6   Y       Y       None    817.0
1372819802.99   thefirstnutzo_1 Y       Y       None    256.0
1372825072.93   nvatok_0        Y       Y       None    464.0
1372832222.3    shyliar_4       Y       Y       None    533.0
1372832564.68   MGTN_4  Y       Y       None    458.0
1372834699.73   basilisk_1      Y       Y       None    595.0

Shares list (RAW data in gzipped TSV format, without IPs): http://ltcmine.ru/stats/03072013/shares_noip.tsv.gz
Round shares list (data in gzipped TSV format,): http://ltcmine.ru/stats/03072013/shares_by_rounds.tsv.gz
User work and rewards (data in TSV format): http://ltcmine.ru/stats/03072013/users_work.tsv

Total diff-1 approximated work (D1A): 794666626
PPS rate: 0.00000087 LTC
Total PPS work: 691.36 LTC
Mined funds: 950 LTC

Sendmany array: http://ltcmine.ru/stats/03072013/sendmany.json
Transactions list: http://ltcmine.ru/stats/03072013/transactions.json

If you can't understand what's this, read this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=92522.msg2628221#msg2628221

[Balthazar]

joeperry
The problem is that pool needs reserves to work. If I'll send this coins to users, pool will be unable to handle rewards correctly because of variance, orphans and payments for immature blocks. It's a suicide as is.

So, it's a dilemma: send 1/3 now and nothing more ever, or send limited amount and handle this balances by another way. As a shelved rewards, for example, get 0.5-1 LTC from each block to pay this rewards.

[joeperry]

joeperry
The problem is that pool needs reserves to work. If I'll send this coins to users, pool will be unable to handle rewards correctly because of variance, orphans and payments for immature blocks. It's a suicide as is.

So, it's a dilemma: send 1/3 now and nothing more ever, or send limited amount and handle this balances by another way. As a shelved rewards, for example, get 0.5-1 LTC from each block to pay this rewards.

Maybe the second choice could be fine, if sending 1/3 is too high, maybe you can set an amount of maximum withdrawals of 2 LTC/Day per miner, and 0.5 LTC/day to those who dont contribute or feed the pool in some amount of shares.

Any choose would be bad, but you have to choose, many will be angry whatever decision you make.

[Avtobio]

"send limited amount and handle this balances by another way"  It's better than just get a 1/3. I think lot of peope will agree with it.

[butjust41day]

joeperry
The problem is that pool needs reserves to work. If I'll send this coins to users, pool will be unable to handle rewards correctly because of variance, orphans and payments for immature blocks. It's a suicide as is.

So, it's a dilemma: send 1/3 now and nothing more ever, or send limited amount and handle this balances by another way. As a shelved rewards, for example, get 0.5-1 LTC from each block to pay this rewards.

Balthazar it is only a dilemma because of your code of ethics. You are looking for ways to accept complete responsibility for what happened and as a result want to pay everyone everything.

Anyone here who has ever written a line of code in their lives understands what happened and has made similar mistakes. I remember making a modification at a customers plant and shutting the entire line down for 8 minutes. Eight minutes might not sound like much; but, it, represented multiple thousands of dollars. My customer forgave me and was actually glad that I recognized the error so quickly. It turned out that a similar incident several years earlier had shut them down for an entire shift. We are human and shit happens.

Any solution is good enough for me. I don't feel you owe me anything. I do want to continue mining at your pool.