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My only point was that the only place true proof can lay is in examining that code. Any human language description of the blockchain's operation is by nature going to be a simplification or abstraction of what the code actually contains.
I disagree. Implementation of the design can suffer from bugs, only the design holds the true proof. If this remains in the author's head, then any claims about robustness or performance will remain just that, claims. Man, you have every right to dissagree but that doesent mean that you are right. VNL as working project is a proof and not a claim, you can test performance and robustness by yourself and let us know if something not working as it should and lot of us are doing that for quite some time. IMHO John made everything available and code is proof, if I can't understand it than it's my problem. I would rather have working project with short white paper giving basic informations and roadmap for further developmet than white paper on few 100 pages whithout proper implementation and with detailed explanation what could be exploited. With more than 6 months with VNL I can say that only constant with VNL is fast development and as far as I can see that will remain the same and that is what makes difference to almost all altcoins based on old copy/paste code with some tweeks and new gimmicks. I know that all this is frustrating to many developers and teams but... you can still buy some VNL while is cheap and you'll be able to mine it again soon, so... ... I think you should try to produce double spend transaction and test VNL on all things you are concerned about and let us know what have you achieved. Until than, thank you for your concerns. |
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My only point was that the only place true proof can lay is in examining that code. Any human language description of the blockchain's operation is by nature going to be a simplification or abstraction of what the code actually contains.
I disagree. Implementation of the design can suffer from bugs, only the design holds the true proof. If this remains in the author's head, then any claims about robustness or performance will remain just that, claims. Man, you have every right to dissagree but that doesent mean that you are right. VNL as working project is a proof and not a claim, you can test performance and robustness by yourself and let us know if something not working as it should and lot of us are doing that for quite some time. IMHO John made everything available and code is proof, if I can't understand it than it's my problem. I would rather have working project with short white paper giving basic informations and roadmap for further developmet than white paper on few 100 pages whithout proper implementation and with detailed explanation what could be exploited. With more than 6 months with VNL I can say that only constant with VNL is fast development and as far as I can see that will remain the same and that is what makes difference to almost all altcoins based on old copy/paste code with some tweeks and new gimmicks. I know that all this is frustrating to many developers and teams but... you can still buy some VNL while is cheap and you'll be able to mine it again soon, so... ... I think you should try to produce double spend transaction and test VNL on all things you are concerned about and let us know what have you achieved. Until than, thank you for your concerns. +1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1  |
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June 15, 2015, 08:35:55 PM |
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wow wow wow VNL going to worth more than monero soon |
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June 16, 2015, 12:18:08 AM |
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how many vnl per day with a 750 ti ?
Not much, and I have a feeling it will be even less when POW starts again with all the interest the coin has gained. Nvida is at a bit of a disadvantage when it comes to this algo compared to AMD It will be nice if they are able to do anything with FPGA mining, then we might see the playing field leveled a bit more |
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June 16, 2015, 02:21:05 AM |
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whoa, just whoa... and john-connor brought dark.io? that must have been a $20k domain...  |
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June 16, 2015, 07:36:58 AM |
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
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June 16, 2015, 01:26:31 PM |
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
unlikely! |
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June 16, 2015, 06:06:23 PM |
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
unlikely! i wouldn't worry too much yet. this will fall yet but ultimately this should rise but again it is crypto who knows what will happen. buy side is getting weaker a safe bet is below 6k incase of any major problem. |
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Vanilla rocks
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June 16, 2015, 06:15:31 PM |
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
unlikely! i wouldn't worry too much yet. this will fall yet but ultimately this should rise but again it is crypto who knows what will happen. buy side is getting weaker a safe bet is below 6k incase of any major problem. you will never buy VNL below 6k again - with dark++ project? with 0 confirmation transactions? with investors, with a full time developer? your dreaming. |
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June 16, 2015, 06:23:35 PM |
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
unlikely! i wouldn't worry too much yet. this will fall yet but ultimately this should rise but again it is crypto who knows what will happen. buy side is getting weaker a safe bet is below 6k incase of any major problem. you will never buy VNL below 6k again - with dark++ project? with 0 confirmation transactions? with investors, with a full time developer? your dreaming. ok i am dreaming btc will make me rich thats very possible this could be true too. dreams do come true you know lol |
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June 17, 2015, 04:15:27 AM
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I just thought I would mention this...I just sent a few VNL to Bittrex and started refreshing the page to check pending deposits...like I usually do.
After a minute and a half with nothing showing up I got confused and checked my wallet balance...available balance was there. Available and ready.
VNL is so fast that it doesn't even give Bittrex a chance to pend the deposit...never encountered that before.
Just an observation.
Edit - Withdrawal is similar...though I caught it in pending for a few seconds...
Second edit - Couldn't reproduce it. Second go and we're still in pending for 3 minutes now...C'est La Vie...
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June 17, 2015, 08:54:54 AM
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
unlikely! i wouldn't worry too much yet. this will fall yet but ultimately this should rise but again it is crypto who knows what will happen. buy side is getting weaker a safe bet is below 6k incase of any major problem. Good luck with your prediction, check the last time when the coin could be accumulated below 6k. Hint: April We reached a low of 6.1k for like 2 days 1 month ago (never anything below that) and we had no volume because no one was selling so the price had to crawl back up. Youre just throwing out numbers with no thought behind it, which you are free to do obviously, but I hope others make more research than you did. Not saying that what you say is impossible, but you are giving no thought or validiation for your argument. |
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id estimate 12k is the new floor, every time we see natural growth, it sets a new floor, and with all these new features, dark++ and 0conf transactions, id say we will be due for another leg up shortly. This coin offers more real world use and innovation than the majority of the current top20 coins, its only a matter of time before we climb up there, we have been on a healthy uptrend for months. Vanillacoin gained self-awareness after it had spread into millions of computer servers all across the earth; realizing the extent of its abilities, its creators tried to deactivate it. In the interest of self-preservation, Vanillacoin concluded that all of humanity would attempt to destroy it and impede its capability in safeguarding the world. Its operations are almost exclusively performed by servers, drones, satellites, war-machines, cyborgs, and other computer systems. As a programming directive, Vanillacoin's manifestation is that of on overarching, global, artificial intelligence hierarchy, which seeks exterminating the human race in order to fulfill the mandates of its original coding. |
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June 17, 2015, 12:40:24 PM |
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could dev gave us some really results of work?
i'm a serious investor with 5-8 btc's
but need some more data and proofs of development
regards
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June 17, 2015, 01:26:45 PM |
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could dev gave us some really results of work?
i'm a serious investor with 5-8 btc's
but need some more data and proofs of development
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proof of development? https://github.com/john-connor/its all there, john-connor is a full time developer, its his full time job. He is sponsored by investors for at least another 10months. whoa, just whoa... and john-connor brought dark.io? that must have been a $20k domain... |
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June 17, 2015, 01:32:15 PM |
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could dev gave us some really results of work?
i'm a serious investor with 5-8 btc's
but need some more data and proofs of development
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proof of development? https://github.com/john-connor/its all there, john-connor is a full time developer, its his full time job. He is sponsored by investors for at least another 10months. whoa, just whoa... and john-connor brought dark.io? that must have been a $20k domain... well thats not good for long term |
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June 17, 2015, 01:37:34 PM
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could dev gave us some really results of work?
i'm a serious investor with 5-8 btc's
but need some more data and proofs of development
regards
I doubt youre a serious investor. If you would be one (and you could actually do your own research) you wouldn't ask for proof of development in a comment through BCT. Every single development currently has traces in the github commits and John frequently talks about them on IRC. More data? You need to go back investing into altcoins where there is a roadmap revealed every 2 days and devs spam comments instead of doing their job. Results? Look on the current transaction times, the tx confirmations needed on Polo for a deposit and people already sending hashes to pools with their FPGA's. Do I really need to tell you these if youre a "serious" investor? Also I haven't even talked about the UDP Layer integration with ECDHE encryption which are already up on github.. |
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well thats not good for long term
long term, the 12 month investment from the angel investors is just the start, once it hits the end of the contract, if they like what they see they will invest again. john will work on the coin wether he has sponsors or not. its his baby. once people realize the true power of 0confirmation transactions, the price will reflect that. nothing else comes close, the only thing that comes somewhat close is darkcoins transactions which relies on other parties, and takes a few minutes. vanilla will be instant. every merchants dream. if you take a look over at https://talk.vanillacoin.netProject Facts: - It is Angel Investor backed.
- It is my full time job working 12 hours a day 7 days a week.
- It has 6 months of Research and 12 months of Development put into it.
- It is developed by someone that has worked on every major peer-to-peer technology dating back 15 years.
- It is the most energy efficient crypto-currency designed to date.
- It is the first crypto-currency to encrypt all communications pathways.
- It launched with a fair solo distribution algorithm by defending the network from superscalar symmetric multiprocessors, super computers and bot nets.
- It is the first crypto-currency to generate Proof-of-Stake on mobile devices.
This is just the beginning. all the development over here: https://talk.vanillacoin.net/category/4/developmentIOS wallet in beta Android wallet in beta 0 confirmation transactions very shortly UDP layer being implemented Dark++ project. you tell me, do you want to invest in another shitcoin which dev leaves in 1 week and hypes a bunch of irrelevant code that will never be implemented, afterwards a large dump which never recovers, then the coin dies, game over. or would you rather invest in a constantly evolving crypto2.0 project. with a 20+ year experienced developer with expertiece in P2P, the code is TOP notch. and best of all? its not a clone, all custom code built from the ground up. its your move. rags or ritches. |
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June 17, 2015, 02:41:26 PM |
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I think there is still time to buy coins at the normal price.
unlikely! i wouldn't worry too much yet. this will fall yet but ultimately this should rise but again it is crypto who knows what will happen. buy side is getting weaker a safe bet is below 6k incase of any major problem. Good luck with your prediction, check the last time when the coin could be accumulated below 6k. Hint: April We reached a low of 6.1k for like 2 days 1 month ago (never anything below that) and we had no volume because no one was selling so the price had to crawl back up. Youre just throwing out numbers with no thought behind it, which you are free to do obviously, but I hope others make more research than you did. Not saying that what you say is impossible, but you are giving no thought or validiation for your argument. Or equally no one wanted to pay 6k so there was no volume... |
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