ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[velacreations]

about 28nm, yes, after Jan 20

Size, as in TH/s of the deployment, not the size of the chips.

[dexX7]

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

[robix]

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

KNC Jupiter is about 1.2 W/GH (230V), at the wall.

[MrTeal]

Next Gen Chips
The projected time of taping out of Gen3 is January 20. Power consumption target estimation is <0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. Please notice that the timeline is of course subject to change/adjust, and the estimation on power and cost is also based on software tool/simulation results.

what's the size of the first Gen 3 deployment?  will you be mining with it or selling as hardware?  When is the expected date of release of this hardware?

about 28nm, yes, after Jan 20

Gold

Tapeout of the chip is not the same as release date of the hardware.

[binaryFate]

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

Not comparable at all, because AM has an invicible advantage 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=99497.msg2610887#msg2610887

[empoweoqwj]

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

Well if AM can launch in Feb or (more likely) March, sounds like a *very* competitive solution.

Its amazed me AM kept making money for so long on Gen1 Hardware. The switch to Gen3 will be so sweet. And I expect the btc price to be way over $1000 by then. Bring it on AM!

[bitfair]

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

BFL vaporware (28nm) also cites 0.6 J/GH.

0.2 J/GH is absolutely stunning. Imagine this, together with liquid cooling. Way to go, FC!

Edit:
Bitfury (55nm) is, I believe 1.25 J/GH.

Hashfast is aiming for 0.65 J/GH.

[velacreations]

"<0.2W per G on low power mode and <0.2$ per G on wafer cost. "

Can someone let us know how this fares against the best competition around at the moment? thx

CoinTerra announced their chip is going to hash with a power consumption of less than 0.6 W per GH.

A March batch miner with 2 TH has a retail price of $5999, that's $2.9995 per GH.

Though the price is probably not really comparable.

BFL vaporware (28nm) also cites 0.6 J/GH.

0.2 J/GH is absolutely stunning. Imagine this, together with liquid cooling. Way to go, FC!

it's .2 W/GH, not J/GH

[sngwinner]

A good question for Fried Cat is what we plan to do with gen 3 when they roll out? Our own mining farm desperately needs to be upgraded and I think it would put a lot of share holders at ease to take back a large share of the network. Obviously we should try and maximize profit so it might be best to sell the vast majority of the chips but I think stabilizing the variance in dividends would give a lot of us long term share holders peace of mind.

[bitfair]

it's .2 W/GH, not J/GH

Actually, it's Watt per Gigahash per second. And since Watt is also known as Joule per second, you can cancel the s in the fraction, and you are left with J/GH.

Clear?

[velacreations]

it's .2 W/GH, not J/GH

Actually, it's Watt per Gigahash per second. And since Watt is also known as Joule per second, you can cancel the s in the fraction, and you are left with J/GH.

Clear?

oh, I see.  Cool, thank you!

[romerun]

so Gen2 is skipped?

[velacreations]

Was this FC prepping to buy Gen3?
https://blockchain.info/tx/1c12443203a48f42cdf7b1acee5b4b1c1fedc144cb909a3bf5edbffafb0cd204

[darkip]

so Gen2 is skipped?

I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this.

It's frustrating seeing responses which indicate that all the questions in this thread are being read, yet ignored.

[chriswilmer]

so Gen2 is skipped?

I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this.

It's frustrating seeing responses which indicate that all the questions in this thread are being read, yet ignored.

Yes, it was skipped. FC mentioned this in the past. Apparently the performance wasn't as good as they hoped and they just decided to move on... probably a good move.

[Jutarul]

so Gen2 is skipped?

I'd also be very interested to hear the answer to this.

It's frustrating seeing responses which indicate that all the questions in this thread are being read, yet ignored.

Yes, it was skipped. FC mentioned this in the past. Apparently the performance wasn't as good as they hoped and they just decided to move on... probably a good move.

According to friedcat Gen2 is not worthwhile for 2 reasons:
1) Gen2 would come out relatively late due to some factors outside of AM's control
2) Gen3 shows promising results and the roll-out seems to be better/more reliably organized

Thus funds are better to be spent on Gen3 hardware. The production schedule will depend on a risk/reward ratio determined by friedcat. Deviations from the schedule need to be anticipated when rolling out a new product technology, so hedge accordingly when speculating on AM.

[eb3full]

That is amazing performance... and I'm glad it's taping out so fast. I'm glad gen2 was skipped and we have a competitive offering so soon in early next year.

Even more important is that friedcat is the only one with the infrastructure that can mass-produce hardware at an enormous scale. Nobody has the supply chain he has.

Pumped.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

Even more important is that friedcat is the only one with the infrastructure that can mass-produce hardware at an enormous scale. Nobody has the supply chain he has.

Hmmm may I ask you, how you know this?

[eb3full]

Even more important is that friedcat is the only one with the infrastructure that can mass-produce hardware at an enormous scale. Nobody has the supply chain he has.

Hmmm how you know this?

Bitfountain has almost a year of manufacturing/shipping experience in Shenzhen, *the* capital of at-scale production of electronics in China and the world. And I know from friedcat's earliest intentions that he wanted to leverage every partner he could find. I'm sure his gen3 is going to be competitive at least for a little while, so I'm glad I have shares to sit on. Good luck to you friedcat.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

I'm glad I have shares to sit on. Good luck to you friedcat.

Same here Good luck with gen3 Friedcat and thank you very much FC and board for update. See you in February 2014.