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August 30, 2014, 05:07:40 AM
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Arent they going to come out with a financial statement shortly? when they will probably make a statement at the same time
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Arent they going to come out with a financial statement shortly? when they will probably make a statement at the same timen

Hmm is it time for a quarterly financials report
Last one I recall was
Cash flow from Feb 28, 2014 to May 27, 2014:
So May 28 --- Aug 28
Your right it might be about that time but I didn't see any announcement about it.

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I reiterate one more time, and those who don't get it I'll automatically consider shills or trolls.
Asking for dividends -in any kind of investment- is asking to destroy their capacity of growth. Basically by insisting on dividends you are squeezing your golden goose.
Asking to make announcements and baby feeding information is a waste of time unless there is any significant development.
Asking for quarterly report is rational, asking to pamper every whim every day at the forum is childish and extremely unproductive.

Their time should be 100% focused in building value for the company -your invested company-
And all of you should be glad that they are working, in deploying, selling, troubleshooting and offering support.

So those whining, grow a pair.
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August 30, 2014, 06:00:05 AM
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bitsalame: I agree with you, it is just that the market is full of the people you are talking about and hence we are back down again at 0.22 BTC
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August 30, 2014, 07:22:05 AM
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Someone should set up a AM whining post, where shareholders can complain and bitch about all their problems with AM, then we can ignore the whole post ;-)
6-9 months most of your questions will most probably be decided


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August 30, 2014, 07:22:32 AM
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I reiterate one more time, and those who don't get it I'll automatically consider shills or trolls.
Asking for dividends -in any kind of investment- is asking to destroy their capacity of growth. Basically by insisting on dividends you are squeezing your golden goose.
Asking to make announcements and baby feeding information is a waste of time unless there is any significant development.
Asking for quarterly report is rational, asking to pamper every whim every day at the forum is childish.

Their time should be 100% focused in building value for the company -your invested company-
And all of you should be glad that they are working, in deploying, selling, troubleshooting and offering support.

So those whining, grow a pair.

 You are confused as to the the meaning of 'grow a pair'.
That would actually manifest itself as a demand of accountability from your investment.
These people are merely asking FC to do what he said he would do.  When he doesn't, it undermines his trust, integrity and respect.



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August 30, 2014, 08:16:02 AM
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Someone should set up a AM whining post, where shareholders can complain and bitch about all their problems with AM, then we can ignore the whole post ;-)
6-9 months most of your questions will most probably be decided

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August 30, 2014, 08:23:47 AM
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Asking for dividends -in any kind of investment- is asking to destroy their capacity of growth. Basically by insisting on dividends you are squeezing your golden goose.
Only if you can trust them.
Here we are talking about a bitcoin company operating in China in a very secretive manner.
What's your recourse should they just grab the money and cancel the shares? Zero.
So you obviously want dividends, otherwise you've got nothing.

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August 30, 2014, 09:26:49 AM
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Asking for dividends -in any kind of investment- is asking to destroy their capacity of growth. Basically by insisting on dividends you are squeezing your golden goose.
Only if you can trust them.
Here we are talking about a bitcoin company operating in China in a very secretive manner.
What's your recourse should they just grab the money and cancel the shares? Zero.
So you obviously want dividends, otherwise you've got nothing.

Lohoris, what game are you playing for god's sake.
If you don't trust them, sell your shares and forget about it.
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So, the anticipated pullback is here. The situation is in some sense quite interesting and can be used as example to show that there is no the only one right approach.

Case 1.
Someone bought into AM around 0.15 as a speculation on approaching dividends. FC made the salon and announced 'hopefully August'. Then buying ensued and share price roughly doubled. Up to now no dividends, so natural reaction of such person is to sell at any profit he is able to squeeze out. Remember, the first reason for his speculation was approaching dividends. At this point his investment is a success and he simply moves on.

Case 2.
Someone bought into AM as a speculation on real turnaround. In such case his time frame is about 6 months  (starting from June/July) and current situation should be seen by him as an opportunity to increase his stake.

Case 3.
Someone bought into AM either during IPO or later for the purpose of long term mining or chip, miners production. There is absolutely no reason to do anything.

What's really interesting is the fact that all three individuals could still be successful! The question is: will they stick to their strategy or not? But have no doubts, just sticking to your strategy does not guarantee that you will win. That's why wise money management, patience and cold blood are all so important.
Also, difficult part of the puzzle is to distance oneself from the green-eyed monster - someone's luck or success should never influence you or feed your greed.
 
Overall, investing (or money management if you prefer) is not, for large majority of people, a suitable way of making one's living.
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August 30, 2014, 10:57:42 AM
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Asking for dividends -in any kind of investment- is asking to destroy their capacity of growth. Basically by insisting on dividends you are squeezing your golden goose.
Only if you can trust them.
Here we are talking about a bitcoin company operating in China in a very secretive manner.
What's your recourse should they just grab the money and cancel the shares? Zero.
So you obviously want dividends, otherwise you've got nothing.

Lohoris, what game are you playing for god's sake.
If you don't trust them, sell your shares and forget about it.

Does he really have any shares (still)Huh The way he talks makes me think he already got out of the game or, at best, still owns a couple of very old shares "just to be safe" and really doesn't care anymore  Grin

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August 30, 2014, 11:20:05 AM
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My first 8 shares of AM had a bitcoin cost average of 2.5BTC. (Burnside's BTCTC.CO)
Granted, BTC was around $60/each, but it's a bit painful to look at the top of the spreadsheet and see some of the wicked prices AM fetched.

I bring this up because it feels a lot like March/April of 2013. 
I think, for the most part, Gen2 chips created a gaping hole of almost a year in the momentum of this company.

I'm still buying into a company that can bring more chips to market than any other company.
Even if Gen3 was a bit of a stinker (power-wise) they still have the reach to make more and better chips in the future.
Their name still demands cooperation from other manufactures.
I think they got a little caught off guard that 200's didn't sell off the shelves like they did back in '13.
If they phase right into Gen4 chips, after Gen3 has done all it can do, I think marketing (and PR) will be less of an issue.

Just a few random 7am thoughts...
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August 30, 2014, 03:49:51 PM
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The order book over the last few months has been like watching the tides roll in and out. Somebody has to be making money off this.

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August 30, 2014, 03:56:55 PM
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The order book over the last few months has been like watching the tides roll in and out. Somebody has to be making money off this.

Sure, it's basically just a bet that there is no massive movement up or down, it's just waiting and playing the people. But to believe that this is done by FC or someone from AM is ludicrous, since the volume and the swings on Havelock are much to shallow to really profit...

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August 30, 2014, 05:54:13 PM
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But to believe that this is done by FC or someone from AM is ludicrous
That's not what I meant at all. Just wondering if anyone is buying on missed dates and selling on rumors. Normally the saying is buy on rumors and sell on news.

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August 30, 2014, 05:56:01 PM
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But to believe that this is done by FC or someone from AM is ludicrous
That's not what I meant at all. Just wondering if anyone is buying on missed dates and selling on rumors. Normally the saying is buy on rumors and sell on news.

Yeah, I guess people may be doing that. At least it's better than losing money. But you have to be careful not to miss the real train, when it really comes. That's the gamble here.

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August 30, 2014, 06:21:08 PM
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Saying to make "investments" based on rumors, is like trying to make a living buying lottery tickets and call it doing "business".
I can see that most people who are "investors" here are extremely amateurish.
So let me give some words of advice:

1) Never speculate, don't buy anything by hearing shit from third parties. Gather data yourself.
2) Don't be "Dumb Money": in the business and investment world they classify investors as "smart money" and "dumb money". "Smart money" are investors who are also experts in the field you are entrepreneuring, so the main capital is not the money they are bringing to the table but their expertise and connections that would eventually be a great help for the growth of the company. "Dumb Money" is what most AM shareholders are: bunch of clueless chickens who are just sitting on their chairs asking to the entrepreneur when they will see their money back. Not only they are not providing any help, but they are also an annoyance.
For future entrepreneurs out there: never take "dumb money".
For future investors: never invest in something you don't understand or can't help it to grow.
3) Never invest if you can't afford to lose.
4) Don't try to get quick profits by instilling FUD. That is extremely shortsighted and moronic, especially destructive for startups.

I declined to take commissions when I was bringing business to my investments, refusing finders fee and sales commissions because my main goal is to provide value to my investments. The end game is not some money now, but astronomical price when the companies exits (when they sell the company).

If you are a true investor in AM the best you can do is to think how you can assist to your company to be leading in the market. Can you connect them with potential buyers? Do you know a place with cheap electricity? Do you have connections with financiers? Or at least, can you refrain from talking shit about the company you invested? It is fucking moronic and self-defeating to become an annoyance and expecting them to outperform when you are staining their image.
Be fucking smart.
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August 30, 2014, 06:23:32 PM
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There is a rumor that divs would come soon enough in september.. ^^
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August 30, 2014, 06:37:31 PM
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Saying to make "investments" based on rumors, is like trying to make a living buying lottery tickets and call it doing "business".
I can see that most people who are "investors" here are extremely amateurish.
So let me give some words of advice:

1) Never speculate, don't buy anything by hearing shit from third parties. Gather data yourself.
2) Don't be "Dumb Money": in the business and investment world they classify investors as "smart money" and "dumb money". "Smart money" are investors who are also experts in the field you are entrepreneuring, so the main capital is not the money they are bringing to the table but their expertise and connections that would eventually be a great help for the growth of the company. "Dumb Money" is what most AM shareholders are: bunch of clueless chickens who are just sitting on their chairs asking to the entrepreneur when they will see their money back. Not only they are not providing any help, but they are also an annoyance.
For future entrepreneurs out there: never take "dumb money".
For future investors: never invest in something you don't understand or can't help it to grow.
3) Never invest if you can't afford to lose.
4) Don't try to get quick profits by instilling FUD. That is extremely shortsighted and moronic, especially destructive for startups.

I declined to take commissions when I was bringing business to my investments, refusing finders fee and sales commissions because my main goal is to provide value to my investments. The end game is not some money now, but astronomical price when the companies exits (when they sell the company).

If you are a true investor in AM the best you can do is to think how you can assist to your company to be leading in the market. Can you connect them with potential buyers? Do you know a place with cheap electricity? Do you have connections with financiers? Or at least, can you refrain from talking shit about the company you invested? It is fucking moronic and self-defeating to become an annoyance and expecting them to outperform when you are staining their image.
Be fucking smart.

Based on your theory and your frequency of talking, I think you need to replace your donation link with AM's AD in your signature, at least.

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August 30, 2014, 06:50:39 PM
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Saying to make "investments" based on rumors, is like trying to make a living buying lottery tickets and call it doing "business".
I can see that most people who are "investors" here are extremely amateurish.
So let me give some words of advice:

1) Never speculate, don't buy anything by hearing shit from third parties. Gather data yourself.
2) Don't be "Dumb Money": in the business and investment world they classify investors as "smart money" and "dumb money". "Smart money" are investors who are also experts in the field you are entrepreneuring, so the main capital is not the money they are bringing to the table but their expertise and connections that would eventually be a great help for the growth of the company. "Dumb Money" is what most AM shareholders are: bunch of clueless chickens who are just sitting on their chairs asking to the entrepreneur when they will see their money back. Not only they are not providing any help, but they are also an annoyance.
For future entrepreneurs out there: never take "dumb money".
For future investors: never invest in something you don't understand or can't help it to grow.
3) Never invest if you can't afford to lose.
4) Don't try to get quick profits by instilling FUD. That is extremely shortsighted and moronic, especially destructive for startups.

I declined to take commissions when I was bringing business to my investments, refusing finders fee and sales commissions because my main goal is to provide value to my investments. The end game is not some money now, but astronomical price when the companies exits (when they sell the company).

If you are a true investor in AM the best you can do is to think how you can assist to your company to be leading in the market. Can you connect them with potential buyers? Do you know a place with cheap electricity? Do you have connections with financiers? Or at least, can you refrain from talking shit about the company you invested? It is fucking moronic and self-defeating to become an annoyance and expecting them to outperform when you are staining their image.
Be fucking smart.

Well said! 
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