ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[muyuu]

Right now no one is selling Asics except AM.

You probably miss the selling of avalon asic chips that goes on at the moment. There are a good chunk of developers (see my sig-link) that want to create miners out of the chips. So practically there are miners to buy now besides asicminer miners.
I guess the number of developers will rise once the avalon reference design is fully open and some people will sell the parts to create this, will assemble it for others or pay companies to create the miners with the avalon chips.
Only saying...

These will take a while to get done, and we're expecting exponential difficulty growing rates to continue for a while.

Time is key. AM is expected to ship very soon as they have always done.

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[organofcorti]

In that case you might also want to look at the speculation and alt-currency boards.

Thanks, I might do so!

BTW, why do you have a photo of me as your avatar?

Lol, do we look alike? Because that's me.
(or maybe is this some sort of joke? mmmh...)

No, that was my cousin's wedding in 2009.

well this isn't creepy at all.

haha yep that's a weird one...

Sorry Lohoris - totally looks like this photo of me at my cousins wedding, but now I compare the two it's not.

So, how long have you been working as my doppelganger?

[philipma1957]

Right now no one is selling Asics except AM.

You probably miss the selling of avalon asic chips that goes on at the moment. There are a good chunk of developers (see my sig-link) that want to create miners out of the chips. So practically there are miners to buy now besides asicminer miners.
I guess the number of developers will rise once the avalon reference design is fully open and some people will sell the parts to create this, will assemble it for others or pay companies to create the miners with the avalon chips.
Only saying...

I can add 4 more hd7790's = 1200Mh/s at a cost of 500 usd.  Ship time 1 day setup time 1 hour.  at today hashrates the payoff in 100 days.  I am in a funny spot since I have so many pc's gpus in position  working as I type. I used first gpu to buy 2 then 3 then 4 then 5.  always sold my coins quick. No complaints I am ahead a few thousand usd. I have a lot of pc's and gpus.  I have some asicminer stock. I don't hold coins I sell them. So when avalon had the first sale I did not have enough coins. BFL just built the chips showed photos and I ordered 1600 in gear from them. waste of time.  SO I grabbed some asic miner stock.

   I had a  big gpu farm 15 Gh/s so I sold off a lot of hd7970's and replaced them with hd7790's why?

  For a  certain profit and under 36 hours to setup. Hd7790's are better if you have 3 or 4 card boards.  I wanted to get some bfl gear as the price points were nice but that turned into  a waste of time.

 As much as I would like to get usb sticks. Not at    at 2 btc for 300Mh/s   or 220usd for  300mh/s

I can get 600 mh/s for  260 usd  if I buy 2x hd7790's.  Now after 4x hd7790's this is no longer true as I will not have any more slots to fill on my gpu setups.

I am a bit frustrated at asic pricing as I see them all  a little overpriced  they are more expensive  then adding gpus. Or worse the well priced ones from bfl never get delivered.

 I think I will run the gpu farms and just buy more asicminer stock.  AS a developer or builder I get that you want a profit.  As a miner so do I .  

Now for me buying a usb stick at 1.25 BTC would make it money sound move.   I think I will hoard some coins this week and buy sticks at an auction. OR buy more asicminer stock.

[stripykitteh]

I think the Erupter Blades are probably fairly priced (they sell well enough) but at 50BTC they're beyond the reach of most people.

I think the slower-than-expected growth in the network hash rate has forced AM to adjust their strategy slightly. They have more stock than they need and they can get very good prices for it; so I expect more auctions (not constant, but at a steady rate) until the competition actually shows up.

They may need to adjust the price slowly downwards over time but at current prices (2500BTC per auction) a few of these will line the coffers nicely to fund any strategy they deem necessary.

[philipma1957]

I think the Erupter Blades are probably fairly priced (they sell well enough) but at 50BTC they're beyond the reach of most people.

I think the slower-than-expected growth in the network hash rate has forced AM to adjust their strategy slightly. They have more stock than they need and they can get very good prices for it; so I expect more auctions (not constant, but at a steady rate) until the competition actually shows up.

They may need to adjust the price slowly downwards over time but at current prices (2500BTC per auction) a few of these will line the coffers nicely to fund any strategy they deem necessary.

i would not mind a 10 btc price for about 3GH/S. IF i buy 5 sticks i get half that hash. I want to upgrade from the gpu farm  but at a price that makes sense.

[ionstorm]

hey guys, totally new to buying shares, anyways, I bought some passthru shares on havelock, was wondering where I can find decent charts/graphs on this stock and was also wondering your thoughts on anticipated share prices in the future and dividends.  I'd like to put more money in this stock but I feel a little lost not having proper realtime data.  How smart would it be to go all-in on this stock?  And can you correlate each 100/100 passthrough shares into a hash rate?  I saw somewhere that someone calculated each stock having a specific hash rate that increases when asicminer acquires more.  Im unsure wether to hold btc or put them all in on shares.  Please advise,
thanks

[ionstorm]

I think the Erupter Blades are probably fairly priced (they sell well enough) but at 50BTC they're beyond the reach of most people.

I think the slower-than-expected growth in the network hash rate has forced AM to adjust their strategy slightly. They have more stock than they need and they can get very good prices for it; so I expect more auctions (not constant, but at a steady rate) until the competition actually shows up.

They may need to adjust the price slowly downwards over time but at current prices (2500BTC per auction) a few of these will line the coffers nicely to fund any strategy they deem necessary.

i would not mind a 10 btc price for about 3GH/S. IF i buy 5 sticks i get half that hash. I want to upgrade from the gpu farm  but at a price that makes sense.

I second this, I'll buy these all day if they were cheaper, would love to see 6-10gh/s  for 10btc, for less than 3btc bfl has the jalapeno.  Seriously asicminer has a chance here to put BFL out of business

[John (John K.)]

I think the Erupter Blades are probably fairly priced (they sell well enough) but at 50BTC they're beyond the reach of most people.

I think the slower-than-expected growth in the network hash rate has forced AM to adjust their strategy slightly. They have more stock than they need and they can get very good prices for it; so I expect more auctions (not constant, but at a steady rate) until the competition actually shows up.

They may need to adjust the price slowly downwards over time but at current prices (2500BTC per auction) a few of these will line the coffers nicely to fund any strategy they deem necessary.

i would not mind a 10 btc price for about 3GH/S. IF i buy 5 sticks i get half that hash. I want to upgrade from the gpu farm  but at a price that makes sense.

I second this, I'll buy these all day if they were cheaper, would love to see 6-10gh/s  for 10btc, for less than 3btc bfl has the jalapeno.  Seriously asicminer has a chance here to put BFL out of business

Nah, friedcat is having problems selling to the demand at 49.99 BTC each for the 10~ GH blades now.  No sense selling them lower for the decreased profit.

[jgarzik]

Nah, friedcat is having problems selling to the demand at 49.99 BTC each for the 10~ GH blades now.  No sense selling them lower for the decreased profit.

Yep.  Huge demand means a seller's market.  Heard similar comments during Avalon's batch #3 discussion, where the price was dramatically higher than previously batches -- it nonetheless sold out.

[ionstorm]

I think the Erupter Blades are probably fairly priced (they sell well enough) but at 50BTC they're beyond the reach of most people.

I think the slower-than-expected growth in the network hash rate has forced AM to adjust their strategy slightly. They have more stock than they need and they can get very good prices for it; so I expect more auctions (not constant, but at a steady rate) until the competition actually shows up.

They may need to adjust the price slowly downwards over time but at current prices (2500BTC per auction) a few of these will line the coffers nicely to fund any strategy they deem necessary.

i would not mind a 10 btc price for about 3GH/S. IF i buy 5 sticks i get half that hash. I want to upgrade from the gpu farm  but at a price that makes sense.

I second this, I'll buy these all day if they were cheaper, would love to see 6-10gh/s  for 10btc, for less than 3btc bfl has the jalapeno.  Seriously asicminer has a chance here to put BFL out of business

Nah, friedcat is having problems selling to the demand at 49.99 BTC each for the 10~ GH blades now.   No sense selling them lower for the decreased profit.

I respect this statement, maybe plan on something you can sell in mass that is more affordable to the average Joe eventually only if the costs to produce them are dirt cheap, asics will get much cheaper 3 Mo from now

[philipma1957]

I think the Erupter Blades are probably fairly priced (they sell well enough) but at 50BTC they're beyond the reach of most people.

I think the slower-than-expected growth in the network hash rate has forced AM to adjust their strategy slightly. They have more stock than they need and they can get very good prices for it; so I expect more auctions (not constant, but at a steady rate) until the competition actually shows up.

They may need to adjust the price slowly downwards over time but at current prices (2500BTC per auction) a few of these will line the coffers nicely to fund any strategy they deem necessary.

i would not mind a 10 btc price for about 3GH/S. IF i buy 5 sticks i get half that hash. I want to upgrade from the gpu farm  but at a price that makes sense.

I second this, I'll buy these all day if they were cheaper, would love to see 6-10gh/s  for 10btc, for less than 3btc bfl has the jalapeno.  Seriously asicminer has a chance here to put BFL out of business

Nah, friedcat is having problems selling to the demand at 49.99 BTC each for the 10~ GH blades now.   No sense selling them lower for the decreased profit.

I respect this statement, maybe plan on something you can sell in mass that is more affordable to the average Joe eventually only if the costs to produce them are dirt cheap, asics will get much cheaper 3 Mo from now

   I am pinning my hopes on this.  My gpus hash 10Gh/s at a 40 usd  a day profit.  even if it dwindles to 10 a day in the next 3 months.  I am better off waiting for a better asic deal.

[stripykitteh]

I think it's dangerous to spend too much time worrying about trying to eliminate the competition. The competition will always be there, anyone with some VC can start an ASIC company tomorrow.

I think AM are best served by focusing on what they do well and leveraging their competitive advantages:

• proven IC design capability
• low cost of manufacture
• rapid deployment
• operational excellence
• low cost of operation
• guaranteed delivery

Trying to destroy BFL would divert AM from leveraging those advantages. BFL are primarily a marketing company trying to be an engineering company. AM are *the* outstanding engineering company in ASICs. I think if they stick to their knitting the likes of BFL will implode trying to keep up.

[novusordo]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

[arklan]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

nice. is that dividend projection accurate? looks it. i'm just surprised. .014 next week predicted, and it's saturday.

[novusordo]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

nice. is that dividend projection accurate? looks it. i'm just surprised. .014 next week predicted, and it's saturday.

It simply takes 90% of the mined coins for the previous 7 days and divides it by the number of shares. 90% is an estimate, and it doesn't include any equipment auctions or sales.

[arklan]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

nice. is that dividend projection accurate? looks it. i'm just surprised. .014 next week predicted, and it's saturday.

It simply takes 90% of the mined coins for the previous 7 days and divides it by the number of shares. 90% is an estimate, and it doesn't include any equipment auctions or sales.

very interesting.

[stripykitteh]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

nice. is that dividend projection accurate? looks it. i'm just surprised. .014 next week predicted, and it's saturday.

It was close last week (within 3%, though there was a systematic error in the calculation that has now been fixed). The ramping up of the hash rate is having an affect on mining earnings.

We'll have to wait and see what Friedcat decides to do with the equipment sales.

I have been grappling with a model to work out what fair value is for the shares, but it's still kicking around in my head. One interesting thing about valuing securities in BTC is that there's no discounting of future earnings due to inflation back to today to worry about. But you still need some uncertainty factor in the value of future earnings. There's still so many imponderables that I haven't got much further with it, and it's not my field of expertise anyway.

[gmouse]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

nice. is that dividend projection accurate? looks it. i'm just surprised. .014 next week predicted, and it's saturday.

It was close last week (within 3%, though there was a systematic error in the calculation that has now been fixed). The ramping up of the hash rate is having an affect on mining earnings.

We'll have to wait and see what Friedcat decides to do with the equipment sales.

I have been grappling with a model to work out what fair value is for the shares, but it's still kicking around in my head. One interesting thing about valuing securities in BTC is that there's no discounting of future earnings due to inflation back to today to worry about. But you still need some uncertainty factor in the value of future earnings. There's still so many imponderables that I haven't got much further with it, and it's not my field of expertise anyway.

Something close to 0.02 per share next week is certainly possible with the recent hardware sales.

[bitsalame]

http://deepfriedcat.com/

Enjoy.

nice. is that dividend projection accurate? looks it. i'm just surprised. .014 next week predicted, and it's saturday.

It was close last week (within 3%, though there was a systematic error in the calculation that has now been fixed). The ramping up of the hash rate is having an affect on mining earnings.

We'll have to wait and see what Friedcat decides to do with the equipment sales.

I have been grappling with a model to work out what fair value is for the shares, but it's still kicking around in my head. One interesting thing about valuing securities in BTC is that there's no discounting of future earnings due to inflation back to today to worry about. But you still need some uncertainty factor in the value of future earnings. There's still so many imponderables that I haven't got much further with it, and it's not my field of expertise anyway.

Just a pet peeve here:
It is either "having an effect on mining" or "affecting mining".

[stripykitteh]

Just a pet peeve here:
It is either "having an effect on mining" or "affecting mining".

Your quiet wright.