ASICMINER: Entering the Future of ASIC Mining by Inventing It

[empoweoqwj]

Your only point appears to be "gloom and doom" - so people don't sell mining equipment on eBay, I'm so shattered by this news ..... all industries mature and just have a  few big players. That's just what happens. Deal with it.

My point is that the industry is killing itself.  I think you underestimate the importance of the hardware aftermarket - altcoins generally aren't worth squat, look at how people flocked to PeerCoin and upped the diff there astronomically when it "caught on".  Same happens to any sha-based coin that hits exchanges in any form.  So for any reasonable ROI on most hardware you need the aftermarket.  Right now, folks are pushing towards things that can't really catch-on in the aftermarket, like a Neptune or an AMC.  Those are investments, big ones, for a market that is continually gouging itself from every direction.  

"all industries mature and just have a few big players. That's just what happens. Deal with it."

We're figuring out how to "deal with it".  Right now the community has responded with-

Shares in someone else's hardware => not worthwhile.  
Shares in AM => so far, not worthwhile.  
Anything shipping in auctions/group buys => not worth the BTC you spend.

What's left are the big players.  They're going big, very big, f' the community big.  Most of the people are currently invested in BTC will likely leave because you can't afford new hardware and nothing is worth the BTC you'd spend on it for partial ownership.  And any industry needs the peons, needs the folks who buy usb sticks on eBay, needs the customers.  

Right now we're hoping that our current "doom and gloom" outlook is wrong, but none of the "big players" are doing anything to encourage a healthy future for this side of BTC.  

What would you like the big players to do to help the situation?

[empoweoqwj]

AM1 and AM100 dividends will come today, don't worry folks, just a bit behind.

That's the problem will being so darned reliable week in week out. A few hours late and we all start panicking 

[mrlupin]

Google opened 2 new data centers, one in Singapore and one in Taiwan
http://googleasiapacific.blogspot.in/2013/12/our-first-data-centers-in-asia-are-up.html

The one in Taiwan is using water-cooling with a twist:
"We built this to be one of Asia’s most efficient and environmentally friendly data centers. One way we’re increasing efficiency here that’s unique among our global fleet of data centers is through the use of a nighttime cooling and thermal energy storage system. The system works by cooling water at night, when temperatures are cooler, storing the cooled water in large insulated tanks where it retains its temperature before being pumped throughout the facility to cool our servers during the day."

Friedcat, I think Google is saying: "bring it on". Will you accept the challenge?

[empoweoqwj]

Google opened 2 new data centers, one in Singapore and one in Taiwan
http://googleasiapacific.blogspot.in/2013/12/our-first-data-centers-in-asia-are-up.html

The one in Taiwan is using water-cooling with a twist:
"We built this to be one of Asia’s most efficient and environmentally friendly data centers. One way we’re increasing efficiency here that’s unique among our global fleet of data centers is through the use of a nighttime cooling and thermal energy storage system. The system works by cooling water at night, when temperatures are cooler, storing the cooled water in large insulated tanks where it retains its temperature before being pumped throughout the facility to cool our servers during the day."

Friedcat, I think Google is saying: "bring it on". Will you accept the challenge?

Water? I think FC can trump that

[Timetwister]

ASICMINER shares have the privilege of getting all net profits till 0.1BTC/share from the day when dividends began to be paid.

I don't get this part. Does it mean that once 0.1BTC dividends per share have been given, there won't be more dividends?

[San1ty]

ASICMINER shares have the privilege of getting all net profits till 0.1BTC/share from the day when dividends began to be paid.

I don't get this part. Does it mean that once 0.1BTC dividends per share have been given, there won't be more dividends?

Sigh...

[empoweoqwj]

ASICMINER shares have the privilege of getting all net profits till 0.1BTC/share from the day when dividends began to be paid.

I don't get this part. Does it mean that once 0.1BTC dividends per share have been given, there won't be more dividends?

Why are you quoting stuff from 2012 ?!? And no, it doesn't mean that

[JimiQ84]

ASICMINER shares have the privilege of getting all net profits till 0.1BTC/share from the day when dividends began to be paid.

I don't get this part. Does it mean that once 0.1BTC dividends per share have been given, there won't be more dividends?

That formulation means that after 0.1BTC has been paid in dividends, Bitfountain (major shareholder of Asicminer) will also get it's portion of dividends. Until 0.1 all dividends (100%) have been paid to minor shareholders only. Anyhow, it doesn't matter anymore, dividends reached 0.6BTC already.

[bitdude]

Dividend was paid out just the passthru holders need to wait for them to be paid out if your on havelock just wait on TAT a bit

No, I'm pretty sure that's all direct shares.
Works great for weeks. But something wrong on this time.

Just mailed FC. Hope they can fix it.

same problem here, dividend from 1 direct share from SebastianJu's last auction is missing, could you please inform me PM in case FC updates you?

[mumchristmas]

Dividend was paid out just the passthru holders need to wait for them to be paid out if your on havelock just wait on TAT a bit

No, I'm pretty sure that's all direct shares.
Works great for weeks. But something wrong on this time.

Just mailed FC. Hope they can fix it.

same problem here, dividend from 1 direct share from SebastianJu's last auction is missing, could you please inform me PM in case FC updates you?

Not yet, I buy 18 direct shares from SebastianJu's auction too.
Could you PM me the detail?

[Maciek]

Where do I buy ASICMINER shares now?

[ujka]

Where do I buy ASICMINER shares now?

Havelock Investments has AM shares and AM microshares (passthrough):
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=AM1
https://www.havelockinvestments.com/order.php?symbol=AM100

or look some auction for direct AM shares in Auctions board
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=73.0

[empoweoqwj]

Where do I buy ASICMINER shares now?

Havelock.com is good because:
a) you can buy  shares when you want, not when auctions are  running
b) you get the shares immediately, at a fixed price.
c) You can buy partial shares, the AM100 version. Direct shares are never sold like that.
d) You can convert AM1 shares to direct AM shares any time.
e) You know you aren't being scammed, there have been a few "dodgy" share auctions.

Was going to list why auctions are good, but I'll leave that to someone that prefers auctions to buying at havelock

[explorer]

Where do I buy ASICMINER shares now?

Havelock.com is good because:
a) you can buy  shares when you want, not when auctions are  running
b) you get the shares immediately, at a fixed price.
c) You can buy partial shares, the AM100 version. Direct shares are never sold like that.
d) You can convert AM1 shares to direct AM shares any time.
e) You know you aren't being scammed, there have been a few "dodgy" share auctions.

Was going to list why auctions are good, but I'll leave that to someone that prefers auctions to buying at havelock

The only good reason I can think of to buy @ auction is to avoid slippage on larger buys. Havelock is just dead right now, and price seems to be drifting higher regardless of dividend shrinkage.

[empoweoqwj]

Where do I buy ASICMINER shares now?

Havelock.com is good because:
a) you can buy  shares when you want, not when auctions are  running
b) you get the shares immediately, at a fixed price.
c) You can buy partial shares, the AM100 version. Direct shares are never sold like that.
d) You can convert AM1 shares to direct AM shares any time.
e) You know you aren't being scammed, there have been a few "dodgy" share auctions.

Was going to list why auctions are good, but I'll leave that to someone that prefers auctions to buying at havelock

The only good reason I can think of to buy @ auction is to avoid slippage on larger buys. Havelock is just dead right now, and price seems to be drifting higher regardless of dividend shrinkage.

I think everyone has gone into hibernation until the Spring. No sellers, no buyers. Right time of year for hibernation at least.

[spartan82]

And there I was thinking share prices were going to drop considerably with the last two dividends but still holding strong

[empoweoqwj]

And there I was thinking share prices were going to drop considerably with the last two dividends but still holding strong

I'm not quite sure "strong" is the right word considering we were once at B5.00, but I know what you mean.

It could just mean the equilibrium has reached i.e. the one-week brigade has been flushed out, and all we are left with are the "hopeful people", and people that have lost too much already on AM shares to consider selling for such a big loss.

Its statis baby

[explorer]

And there I was thinking share prices were going to drop considerably with the last two dividends but still holding strong

     I think the uptrend surprised a lot of people. That buying pressure shows that a lot of us had the same idea ie: buy it while it's on sale. I expected to see 0.20 before we were through, maybe we still will. I can always use more  

[bitdude]

Dividend was paid out just the passthru holders need to wait for them to be paid out if your on havelock just wait on TAT a bit

No, I'm pretty sure that's all direct shares.
Works great for weeks. But something wrong on this time.

Just mailed FC. Hope they can fix it.

same problem here, dividend from 1 direct share from SebastianJu's last auction is missing, could you please inform me PM in case FC updates you?

Not yet, I buy 18 direct shares from SebastianJu's auction too.
Could you PM me the detail?

Haven't heard from FC yet.

[empoweoqwj]

And there I was thinking share prices were going to drop considerably with the last two dividends but still holding strong

     I think the uptrend surprised a lot of people. That buying pressure shows that a lot of us had the same idea ie: buy it while it's on sale. I expected to see 0.20 before we were through, maybe we still will. I can always use more  

The uptrend has been for 1 week, and tiny. When direct shares were offered last week at 0.27 nobody took.

Let's see what happens if the divs really dive. I can't see how AM can keep anywhere near the current divs for 3 months if they aren't bringing anything new to the table. If divs halve, its got to drive the price down further. If it doesn't, yep I'll agree, the bottom has been reached.