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I'm asking a lot of questions today! Can someone explain why this is good news? If our next gen chip is going to be open source then how do we have any advantage as far as producing the chip? Can't anyone use the open source designs to produce the chip itself? Pardon my ignorance on this subject. |
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June 06, 2014, 05:52:58 PM |
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I'm asking a lot of questions today! Can someone explain why this is good news? If our next gen chip is going to be open source then how do we have any advantage as far as producing the chip? Can't anyone use the open source designs to produce the chip itself? Pardon my ignorance on this subject. Chip design is not open! Only design for reference boards. That is, boards where chips are to be assembled. |
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June 06, 2014, 05:55:04 PM |
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I'm asking a lot of questions today! Can someone explain why this is good news? If our next gen chip is going to be open source then how do we have any advantage as far as producing the chip? Can't anyone use the open source designs to produce the chip itself? Pardon my ignorance on this subject. Chip design is not open! Only design for reference boards. Exactly. Now potentially everyone can design their own board, improve on it and build/sell a miner. Also, since the design can be improved, the efficiency may get better. |
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June 06, 2014, 05:58:49 PM |
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and helps the case for BE200/any future AM chips to be viewed as the industry standard
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June 06, 2014, 07:41:26 PM |
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lol, I came here afraid that Havelock got shut down or something, haven't been able to access it. Hopefully it's just from people racing to buy up all of the AM100 they can AM is crashing. Atleast AM1 is. .24 Today, High was .32 yesterday. I'm getting the sense that traders are more enticed by instability than stability and buy for the emotional roller coaster ride. The ability to now see the positive future apparently doesn't interest them and they'd be more content with failure looming overhead. Not sure what the experience level is of the investors in AM is but it sure doesn't appear to follow any successful methods I'm aware of. |
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June 06, 2014, 08:06:49 PM |
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AM is crashing. Atleast AM1 is. .24 Today, High was .32 yesterday.
One share has traded at 0.2401 and a grand total of three shares have traded below 0.28. |
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June 06, 2014, 08:30:20 PM |
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buy buy buy   Already did. Anyone that has been around the block even once with ASICminer/FC knows there is no panic. Things are lost in translation and in internet forums. they're not exctly "lost" there's just FUD on this thread. over and over again. until fc repeats what he said before. this will last about 5 days. then FUD starts all over again. never fails. |
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June 06, 2014, 08:35:12 PM |
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Sales price will be adjusted if BTC rises.
So if we link the current price of 0,5$ to the current BTC price of 666$ we get a to-date sales price of 0.00075 BTC/G.
Using a factor of 0.9 for an average future price and retaining 1/3 for Gen4, I come to a gross-income per share of 0.06756757 BTC for the 60P.
Forget to ask FC will they change the chip price based on BTC price. It may sound silly, but I don't think the chip price is so flexible. That is a huge risk, because BTC price can be really crazy. Maybe we can suggest a BTC buy/sell program where "X" amount of BTC is bought or sold each day to average prices and maintain a BTC to USD ratio. that's a good idea. and fc may be doing that already (me guessing, I have no info to confirm this), since if you go to buy 30K btc today, where would you do that? not on any exchange I know: nowhere... so it has to be done on a regular basis and this would average it out. as well as support btc price on some level. this is what I call the anti-DISH btc acceptance. instead of converting btc to usd, cash in converted to btc. brilliant. and the way of the future. |
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June 06, 2014, 08:47:44 PM |
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I've seen some people saying that it'll be great once AM gets its self mining going again. What is a realistic amount of PH that AM can get online? What percentage of the network do we think it will be by the time it's up and running? I seem to remember a figure of 30 ph from franchises.
Friedcat doesn't seem to be that interested in mining at the moment. As long as the chips sell, it's better to just sell them instead of use them to mine. They earn more revenue and have a shorter turnaround time (sold instantly instead of "mining back" the investment) and thus can be paid out and reinvested much faster. Although I agree that a decent amount of self mining makes sense (BTC price increasing, constant income, independence) that's NOT what he said in his answer... |
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June 06, 2014, 09:01:05 PM |
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I've seen some people saying that it'll be great once AM gets its self mining going again. What is a realistic amount of PH that AM can get online? What percentage of the network do we think it will be by the time it's up and running? I seem to remember a figure of 30 ph from franchises.
Friedcat doesn't seem to be that interested in mining at the moment. As long as the chips sell, it's better to just sell them instead of use them to mine. They earn more revenue and have a shorter turnaround time (sold instantly instead of "mining back" the investment) and thus can be paid out and reinvested much faster. Although I agree that a decent amount of self mining makes sense (BTC price increasing, constant income, independence) that's NOT what he said in his answer... Well, effectively this is what he's pursuing since development started on gen 3. Focussing on chip sales, rather than mining. In my Q/A on April 21st, he stated that air cooled mining will start May/June and immersion cooled mining in June/July. Right now things sound a tad 'evasive' as if this isn't top priority (any more?) Which doesn't have to be a bad thing. If the chips are selling well, just continue doing that. |
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June 06, 2014, 09:15:34 PM |
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he stated that air cooled mining will start May/June and immersion cooled mining in June/July
This is very much likely achievable |
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June 06, 2014, 09:34:22 PM |
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I've seen some people saying that it'll be great once AM gets its self mining going again. What is a realistic amount of PH that AM can get online? What percentage of the network do we think it will be by the time it's up and running? I seem to remember a figure of 30 ph from franchises.
Friedcat doesn't seem to be that interested in mining at the moment. As long as the chips sell, it's better to just sell them instead of use them to mine. They earn more revenue and have a shorter turnaround time (sold instantly instead of "mining back" the investment) and thus can be paid out and reinvested much faster. Although I agree that a decent amount of self mining makes sense (BTC price increasing, constant income, independence) that's NOT what he said in his answer... Well, effectively this is what he's pursuing since development started on gen 3. Focussing on chip sales, rather than mining. In my Q/A on April 21st, he stated that air cooled mining will start May/June and immersion cooled mining in June/July. Right now things sound a tad 'evasive' as if this isn't top priority (any more?) Which doesn't have to be a bad thing. If the chips are selling well, just continue doing that. We will report the more detailed status to the board first. The short answer is that deploying and financing is easy while getting cheap electricity and proper device solution takes time. When we have farms running we can update the related information with real time hash rate. The way I interpret this statement is that FC is working on getting cheaper electricity/space and then AM will go HAM on the self mining. |
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June 06, 2014, 09:43:26 PM |
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jimmothy, bitcoin.newsfeed: I'm not saying they scrapped the plans or anything, but he seems a bit hesitant and something seems to have changed. Maybe they plan on going bigger, could be. But He stated as well, that getting cheap electricity and the machines takes time. So I won't be surprised not to see any mining this month.
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June 07, 2014, 12:14:50 PM |
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The way I interpret this statement is that FC is working on getting cheaper electricity/space and then AM will go HAM on the self mining.
I thought that he already had plenty of time to search for cheaper electricity/space. Doing it now seems a bit late. |
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June 07, 2014, 01:46:13 PM |
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FC speaks, again: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=641957.msg7181247#msg7181247So gen 4 will, most likely, be pin-/dimension-compatible to gen 3 and developers improving on the schematics may be paid by AM! I believe this may encourage some people to further optimize the designs. He became quite talkative these days. I like it. |
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June 07, 2014, 01:53:35 PM |
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FC stepping out of his cave right for summer! |
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June 07, 2014, 01:54:14 PM |
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It's all happening now, he's back in full effect and its all business now.
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June 07, 2014, 02:38:25 PM |
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It's all happening now, he's back in full effect and its all business now.
Wish someone would sort Havelock out... I'd like to buy on this news. The site is constantly down and when it is up, it is very slow. It's almost becoming impossible to trade AM1 and AM100 shares. |
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June 07, 2014, 02:45:59 PM |
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It's all happening now, he's back in full effect and its all business now.
Wish someone would sort Havelock out... I'd like to buy on this news. The site is constantly down and when it is up, it is very slow. It's almost becoming impossible to trade AM1 and AM100 shares. Havelock is always up and down you just need to be persistent and keep coming back. Hopefully there's not too big a change when it's up and running again |
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June 07, 2014, 03:38:27 PM |
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Got the shares I wanted for cheap. I'll be back at the end of June. =) Good luck to everyone. Good to see FC out and about on the forums, really boost confidence.
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