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September 06, 2015, 05:06:24 AM
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I am having some fun lotto mining.  Gave me something to smile at this week for sure.

I sent you a PM sidehack when you get time.  No rush as I know you are a busy person Smiley
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September 06, 2015, 03:59:57 PM
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MN isn't THAT much colder than where I'm at in IA, and has similar wind levels.
6-8 months perhaps if he's in the northern part, and some of that only part of the day.

I beg to differ. I'm in North Central MN (near Leech Lake), > 300 miles north of the IA/MN border.
Our winters are significantly colder and longer than say Des Moines.
About 3 months (June, July, and August) outta' the year ambient temps rise above ~75F

Now I'm trying to figure out how his electric company generates the power cheap enough to SELL it at that rate.
Only thing I can think of in THAT area would be nuclear....

Yup, lotta nukes (Excel Energy).
GRE (Great River Energy) is coal, coal, and coal.
Minnesota Power is a mix of nukes, coal, wind, and up here, wood gasification (this is logging country).

We also have some solar and wind on site.
The $0.0465/KwH is off peak (12 hours/day) which will feed/recharge our UPS's/battery bank at night.
During the day solar augments the $0.12/KwH service.
We are expanding our little solar farm as money permits.
With the goal to be exclusively solar ASAP.
The concept is to buy the power once (a depreciating capex expense) versus suffer an ever increasing re-occurring expense (CODB, Cost Of Doing Business).
Once the off peak is online our aggregate power cost should be around $0.05 - $0.06 / KwH and decreasing as we bring more solar online.

MN was one of the few states that implemented (back in the 70's) fair net excess generation statutes.
Put simply, we can buy power @ $0.12/Kwh and can sell power @ $0.105 /Kwh.
Obviously, if our power generation is in a deficit we want to use everything we generate (grid tieing our generation facilitates this).
IF/when BTC mining becomes unprofitable (which it is becoming) we just turn off the miners and the excess generation becomes the profit center.

Another option is to power the (inefficient) miners exclusively with off peak power and only mine 12 hours/day.

Like so many things in this world, there is no single solution to a problem.
It takes a mix of technologies, intelligently arranged, to solve a problem.
In this case the electrical cost to mine BTC.
I like having options.

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September 06, 2015, 04:11:10 PM
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I've spent a few days in Le Seur, which probably isn't that different from Iowa. But I'd seriously love to live somewhere it didn't get above 75F nine months of the year. When folks talk about wintering in Florida or something I always scoff. Winters in my town are pretty weak; I've sat through eleven of them and seen maybe eight respectable snowfalls. Cold's the best.
Unfortunately Novak would rather spend his time in 90F ambient.

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September 06, 2015, 04:13:32 PM
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I know GekkoScience is busy filling orders and working out details of your new rig but I think
a new "Lottery Device" say 250gh/s using the BM1384 chip would be be cool.  I have been running my
last S2 on a solo pool but I have to come to grips on turning it off soon after the holiday.  I will be ordering
some usb sticks shortly to fill my hobby needs but wish it were in the plans as a side project.
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September 06, 2015, 04:23:12 PM
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I have no plans for that kind of thing. I have no plans for any more products at all with the BM1384, seeing as we can't really get them anymore.

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September 06, 2015, 04:34:52 PM
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Ok. Thanks. Wink
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September 06, 2015, 04:50:43 PM
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The $0.0465/KwH is off peak


 OK, that makes more sense. My Time of Day rate here off-peak except during the summer months is even lower - for the base rate past the first 1200ish KWH.
 It gets KILLED a lot by the damned "regional transmission fee" and "fuel surcharge" junk, which are independent of TOD.



 Wasn't saying MN isn't colder than Iowa, but that it wasn't "10 months of INDUSTRIAL HEATING" level colder. 9-)

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September 06, 2015, 05:00:40 PM
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Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

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September 06, 2015, 05:45:53 PM
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Hmm in Québec residential if you use over 30kw per day you pay more. If you're industrial+, if you use a lot you pay less. (0.02/kWh or something).


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September 06, 2015, 05:53:25 PM
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Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

I'm at a fixed rate of ~.13 per kwatt regardless of amount used per month throughout the whole year.
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Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

Could be a Midwest thing.  I also am flat rate no transmission fee or summer/winter rate.    Does not matter what time of year it costs me the same.  I had a few locations in Midwest all this way besides student housing.

I sent you a PM aswell.
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September 06, 2015, 06:16:14 PM
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Actually, you sent me three PMs and two posts in here reminding me that you sent me PMs.

I'm of that contrary nature where, the more I'm bothered by someone, the less likely I am to attend to his business. Most folks would get fed up and just do it to stop being annoyed, but...

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Also, the wallet's at the shop and it's the weekend so I haven't been at the shop because attendance is voluntary on weekends.

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Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

I'm at a fixed rate of ~.13 per kwatt regardless of amount used per month throughout the whole year.

same rate welcome to southern Minnesota 13c kwh fixed  thur Xcel

(ah after my Titan(s) go to doorstops only the bitseed v2 node and the 2 sidehack usb sticks will be the only thing flashing in my basement ..so sad) Smiley

(hey will help with the home miner withdrawal) Smiley

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September 07, 2015, 04:32:45 AM
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City rate here is about 8.9 cents, rural more like 8.5 cents. If we had been able to upgrade power at the shop as planned, and maintained 100KW of hosted machines, it'd been closer to 6 cents. There's no industrial discount below 100KW with our provider.

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September 07, 2015, 05:15:39 AM
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[...]
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I've found out that this kind of people is actually the best to deal with, because you have to deal with less BS and things are more direct.

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[...]
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I've found out that this kind of people is actually the best to deal with, because you have to deal with less BS and things are more direct.

most of them have a consistent code  and if you follow it you are okay.


This is why I don't ask sidehack when will my 20 sticks get shipped or as I like to say:  Are we there yet?



Note this is not a clever way of asking when will my sticks ship.  
They are all going to run as solo sticks so time is not of the essence.



I see BTC as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions.
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September 07, 2015, 12:59:11 PM
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Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

Could be a Midwest thing.  I also am flat rate no transmission fee or summer/winter rate.    Does not matter what time of year it costs me the same.  I had a few locations in Midwest all this way besides student housing.

I sent you a PM aswell.


mines at 8.55 till Dec 2016 same fixed but  BG AND E has other charges i can't aviod  Sad. but my supplier is 8.55 no mater what time of day, month, year and cheapest you can get even for a business rate were i live  etc .


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Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

 It seems to be moving to being the exception any more, as power companies try to maximise their profits while being regulated.
 Might just be that your particular provides actually generate ALL of their own usage, rather than having to rely on importing power from other companies with spare capasity.

 I AM more than a bit supprised at the lack of an available "Time of Day" rate though, only usually see that in areas with lots of hydro power available.

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September 09, 2015, 01:21:15 PM
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I didn't actually know that was a thing until talking to folks on here. I've never lived somewhere you couldn't read the meter, subtract last month's reading and multiply by a flat rate to get your bill.
Course I also like that my flat rate is lower than a lot of folks' lowest time-of-day rate.

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I didn't actually know that was a thing until talking to folks on here. I've never lived somewhere you couldn't read the meter, subtract last month's reading and multiply by a flat rate to get your bill.
Course I also like that my flat rate is lower than a lot of folks' lowest time-of-day rate.

Here in southern California we get another layer of pricing in addition to time of year/time of day - we have usage tiers and as you use more power up to certain milestones each kw/h after that becomes more expensive.  My electricity bill takes complex math to figure out.
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