GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion

[QuintLeo]

Am I the only one whose rate is fixed regardless of consumption, the time of day or month of year? I also don't have any added transmission fees and such that a lot of folks talk about. This applies to both my house and the shop, which have different providers.

 It seems to be moving to being the exception any more, as power companies try to maximise their profits while being regulated.
 Might just be that your particular provides actually generate ALL of their own usage, rather than having to rely on importing power from other companies with spare capasity.

 I AM more than a bit supprised at the lack of an available "Time of Day" rate though, only usually see that in areas with lots of hydro power available.

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[sidehack]

I didn't actually know that was a thing until talking to folks on here. I've never lived somewhere you couldn't read the meter, subtract last month's reading and multiply by a flat rate to get your bill.
Course I also like that my flat rate is lower than a lot of folks' lowest time-of-day rate.

[Mikestang]

I didn't actually know that was a thing until talking to folks on here. I've never lived somewhere you couldn't read the meter, subtract last month's reading and multiply by a flat rate to get your bill.
Course I also like that my flat rate is lower than a lot of folks' lowest time-of-day rate.

Here in southern California we get another layer of pricing in addition to time of year/time of day - we have usage tiers and as you use more power up to certain milestones each kw/h after that becomes more expensive.  My electricity bill takes complex math to figure out.

[PlanetCrypto]

One of the things that has always pissed me off about buying electricity is one never knows "how deep" one is in till the bill comes in.
Doesn't give me any current usage feedback and consequently the ability to trim usage to stay within a budget.

First 5 years I lived in my house I made all my electricity with no grid tie backup.
And did NOT live like "Grizzly Adams" (Big screen TV, Microwave, Surround sound stereo, forced air heat, etc. . .)
Was very apparent when consumption rose above norms.
Electricity cost here has tripled since Dec 2005 (the date I ran in grid power) and am re-visiting generating all my own power again given the current trends.

Pretty sad statement when the end consumer can generate electricity cheaper than multi-billion dollar companies.

[WBF1]

One of the things that has always pissed me off about buying electricity is one never knows "how deep" one is in till the bill comes in.
Doesn't give me any current usage feedback and consequently the ability to trim usage to stay within a budget.

First 5 years I lived in my house I made all my electricity with no grid tie backup.
And did NOT live like "Grizzly Adams" (Big screen TV, Microwave, Surround sound stereo, forced air heat, etc. . .)
Was very apparent when consumption rose above norms.
Electricity cost here has tripled since Dec 2005 (the date I ran in grid power) and am re-visiting generating all my own power again given the current trends.

Pretty sad statement when the end consumer can generate electricity cheaper than multi-billion dollar companies.

There are some realtime usage monitors with Wi-Fi interfaces. http://www.bluelineinnovations.com/features

[alh]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

[aarons6]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

this is true, my power company wont even tell you how much they charge you if you ask them on the phone. the bill has NO price per KWH.. just a value you used, and how much you owe at the bottom.

[alh]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

this is true, my power company wont even tell you how much they charge you if you ask them on the phone. the bill has NO price per KWH.. just a value you used, and how much you owe at the bottom.

Sounds like your Electric Company is trying to adopt a "Health Care Billing" model! 

You must live in a well educated state where folks compute the rate based on the bill.....

[toptek]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

this is true, my power company wont even tell you how much they charge you if you ask them on the phone. the bill has NO price per KWH.. just a value you used, and how much you owe at the bottom.

you live in the US  i thought that was against the law, at one time it was that way in Maryland till BGandE started sending out bills that made no sense . then they had to explain what was up then the bills went back down then we got smart meters and some got 1200 bills then the state had to step in again . some law let them do it and they didn't have to answer to anyone at one point till the state wrote in a law that forced them to give up those books. some privacy law let BE and E do what they wanted with smart meters now they have to ask in open hearing for any increases , ask the customers if you want smart meters but with us we had to take it even if we opted out they put them in any way and got away with it for years now there is another law that might be sighed in here BG and E is charging you for not having a smart meter and some are getting pissed off which might happen and the nice thing about that law if it stops that fee, is they have to ask everyone with smart meters if they want them removed or not and BG and E has to foot the bill and eat if it passes but knowing the way they work they will figure out another legal way of getting what prices they want .

[Biodom]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

this is true, my power company wont even tell you how much they charge you if you ask them on the phone. the bill has NO price per KWH.. just a value you used, and how much you owe at the bottom.

in US?
this is messed up.
I have everything marked on my bill: cost of electricity, cost of transmission, final cost per kwh, taxes, fees, they even give me neat graphs week by week and a comparison with the last year.

[toptek]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

this is true, my power company wont even tell you how much they charge you if you ask them on the phone. the bill has NO price per KWH.. just a value you used, and how much you owe at the bottom.

in US?
this is messed up.
I have everything marked on my bill: cost of electricity, cost of transmission, final cost per kwh, taxes, fees, they even give me neat graphs week by week and a comparison with the last year.

same man i get the some thing . if he does live in the US i don't even know how that state is even able to do that and has no fed law suit against them. im  glad i can see just what my bitcoin miner are using or i can make a nice guess etc but i don't trust smart meter either because this  month i got my bill for five days there is no record but i got charged the usually amount which bros me because some place down the road that might come back to me some how, i just know it .

but my miner will get running I'll  keep watching the bill etc and pay it but have that in the back of my mind .

[notlist3d]

While doing your own usage measurement is a great idea, there is still some mystery into how the actual bill from the Power Company is derived from that (e.g. fixed costs, taxes, fees, etc).

this is true, my power company wont even tell you how much they charge you if you ask them on the phone. the bill has NO price per KWH.. just a value you used, and how much you owe at the bottom.

in US?
this is messed up.
I have everything marked on my bill: cost of electricity, cost of transmission, final cost per kwh, taxes, fees, they even give me neat graphs week by week and a comparison with the last year.

same man i get the some thing . if he does live in the US i don't even know how that state is even able to do that and has no fed law suit against them. im  glad i can see just what my bitcoin miner are using or i can make a nice guess etc but i don't trust smart meter either because this  month i got my bill for five days there is no record but i got charged the usually amount which bros me because some place down the road that might come back to me some how, i just know it .

but my miner will get running I'll  keep watching the bill etc and pay it but have that in the back of my mind .

Has to be out of US I would think.   I know mine is split down showing how much I used, and also shows fees they charged.

I got my true power cost by using all he info they send.   If you are in us show up at electrical office and ask to talk to someone about bill.  If you say you have question on your bill I would think they would show info to prove it's not wrong, and hopefully show you the rate.

[QuintLeo]

Here in southern California we get another layer of pricing in addition to time of year/time of day - we have usage tiers and as you use more power up to certain milestones each kw/h after that becomes more expensive.  My electricity bill takes complex math to figure out.

 Not just a California thing, seen that all over.
 Where I'm at now though is a bit odd, in that on my non-Summer base rate the lower tiers are HIGHER in price - I've seen your way a lot more often.

[hurricandave]

http://liliputing.com/2015/09/wd-pidrive-is-a-1tb-hard-drive-kit-for-the-raspberry-pi.html
So this thing has the USB 3.0 cable I thought Could work for 12v USB sticks AND support Rpi2.

[Jake36]

http://liliputing.com/2015/09/wd-pidrive-is-a-1tb-hard-drive-kit-for-the-raspberry-pi.html
So this thing has the USB 3.0 cable I thought Could work for 12v USB sticks AND support Rpi2.

I thought the Pi's didn't like/work good with USB 3.0?

[PlanetCrypto]

BTW, still no response from BM about chips.

I guess the squeaky wheel gets ignored.

Just call me the Minnesota Mushroom: Kept in the cold dark and not feed shit.

[sidehack]

Heard from anyone else? Avalon, Innosilicon?

[alh]

BTW, still no response from BM about chips.

I guess the squeaky wheel gets ignored.

Just call me the Minnesota Mushroom: Kept in the cold dark and not feed shit.

While it was a valiant effort on your part, it can't be a real surprise if they decline to sell BM 1385 parts for at least a couple of months. They need to supply all the S7's they can while the market is hot.

[Searing]

BTW, still no response from BM about chips.

I guess the squeaky wheel gets ignored.

Just call me the Minnesota Mushroom: Kept in the cold dark and not feed shit.

While it was a valiant effort on your part, it can't be a real surprise if they decline to sell BM 1385 parts for at least a couple of months. They need to supply all the S7's they can while the market is hot.

Just wondering for the sake of argument say that the project GOT these chips..what would we be looking at for speed etc if it was made like the current USB stick project

what is a ballpark of what the sticks would run at then?

[notlist3d]

BTW, still no response from BM about chips.

I guess the squeaky wheel gets ignored.

Just call me the Minnesota Mushroom: Kept in the cold dark and not feed shit.

While it was a valiant effort on your part, it can't be a real surprise if they decline to sell BM 1385 parts for at least a couple of months. They need to supply all the S7's they can while the market is hot.

Even after that they are not really known for selling chips they seem to like to sell miners.  I honestly was surprised GekkoScience managed to get BM chips.

I hope they do support projects more and become easier to get chips.  But I'm not sure I see it happening.