GekkoScience BM1384 Project Development Discussion

[PlanetCrypto]

Ah, looks like I had those new chip numbers backward. Yeah I'd pay down for even a handful of their engineering samples but they aren't going to get anything from us without delivering sample chips first.

I'd refine that to samples of production units versus samples of a test run. Cuz' a whole bunch of stuff could change as a result of test chip testing.

Also... looks like our robot should be delivered today.

Finally, the saga might be over.
I'll keep my fingers crossed for ya'.

[RichBC]

Phil - I am very curious to hear, when your S7's come in, whether one can adjust Vcore and if so by how much.

From the work I have done on the S5, in particular the V1.91 Hash Board that has an oscillator for every 4 pairs of chips, as opposed to one for the whole board on all other revisions. I think that the S7 (and the s5+) which look to have an oscillator for every trio of chips, my expectation is that it will downvolt to the bottom limit of the chips? 

However the proof will be in the testing...


Rich

[philipma1957]

We have an incoming $3500 payment from a customer coming in.
I have ear marked this money to buy a small quantity (~1K) of chips from BM, assuming they decide to sell some.
Having said that, I'm a slut, if any other chip supplier has a suitable chip for sale prior to that they'll get the $3500 (first come first served).
Whomever's chips will be shipped to GS (with their approval ofc) for insertion onto hash boards.
We assume that a certain number of chips would be destroyed n the development process.

Once a suitable design is manufactured and field proven we'd be up for a real quantity purchase of chips (and then boards, ofc).

And regarding capex equipment purchases, I've had my eye on a CNC router for more than a year.
Something that will route polycarbonate and thin sheet AL for immersion tank construction.

Made a corporate decision a while back that we're done buying equipment that has a programmed obsolescence (S(odd) and C1).
I'm sick and tired of replacing perfectly good equipment every 6 months - a year solely due to fixed a Vcore which caps the maximum efficiency of the gear.
Screw that.
And yeah I know I could rip apart miners, mod the hash boards (at least to some extent) and get better efficiency. That's a doable option on 1-5 machines but not on 50+.

It is my belief that even the venerable S1, had it been designed with a reasonable lifespan in mind, could be profitable to operate in today's environment given an adjustable Vcore and clock. But it wasn't and neither was any of the BM follow on products. I believe this was part of a designed marketing campaign to continue to sell "new" equipment. Smart practice for miner manufacturer's but not very good for the 200Th/s and down crowd. As such, we're committed to purchasing/building equipment that will "stand the test of time" versus a throw-away mentality.

GS's designs embody this thought process and consequently we will opt to buy their product(s) over a competitor's.

Phil - I am very curious to hear, when your S7's come in, whether one can adjust Vcore and if so by how much.

I just helped a friend to build his commercial cnc machine in the brooklyn navy yard  it can do copper brass and aluminum.

They are costly even at the lower end commercial models.  We did his for 12k.  Much of the work was diy.  I built the pc for it he had the mounting table and frame welded by local people in the brooklyn navy yard.

the pc boards, gearing, motors, spindles collects. you buy as a kit form. 1 set of percison collect is over 300 usd. alone.   I was at his shop on fri.  he is cutting some speaker boxes for me. I know him from a speaker building club.

when I get the s-7 I am going to try to find the lowest freq say 150 vs 300 (a guess at what the numbers will be)

then run at freq 150 hopefully giving me 200 watts and 800gh a blade.

I will then try to get 10.8 volts in stead of 12 volts to drive machine

[notlist3d]

Ah, looks like I had those new chip numbers backward. Yeah I'd pay down for even a handful of their engineering samples but they aren't going to get anything from us without delivering sample chips first.

Also... looks like our robot should be delivered today.

I lurk this thread a lot .  Congratz that is great news on robot sounded like an pain to get.

Can't wait till you are pumping out miners

[sidehack]

Oh by the way. The robot arrived about 6PM. I got it unboxed but am still learning how to use it. My goal is to have a full panel of Compacs populated by day's end tomorrow.
Novak's got some assembly to do, so we'll get to test out the oven for a couple things as well. So that's good news at least.

[bmoscato]

Oh by the way. The robot arrived about 6PM. I got it unboxed but am still learning how to use it. My goal is to have a full panel of Compacs populated by day's end tomorrow.
Novak's got some assembly to do, so we'll get to test out the oven for a couple things as well. So that's good news at least.

Thanks for the update. It would be cool if you uploaded a picture or 2 of the robot when you get that bad boy rolling.

[notlist3d]

Oh by the way. The robot arrived about 6PM. I got it unboxed but am still learning how to use it. My goal is to have a full panel of Compacs populated by day's end tomorrow.
Novak's got some assembly to do, so we'll get to test out the oven for a couple things as well. So that's good news at least.

I know your busy but once you get a chance please take some pics of the robot in work .  I'm excited to hear the good news for poject.

[PlanetCrypto]

Oh by the way. The robot arrived about 6PM. I got it unboxed but am still learning how to use it. My goal is to have a full panel of Compacs populated by day's end tomorrow.
Novak's got some assembly to do, so we'll get to test out the oven for a couple things as well. So that's good news at least.

Take a vid of robot in action, pretty please (with a cherry on top).

[notlist3d]

Oh by the way. The robot arrived about 6PM. I got it unboxed but am still learning how to use it. My goal is to have a full panel of Compacs populated by day's end tomorrow.
Novak's got some assembly to do, so we'll get to test out the oven for a couple things as well. So that's good news at least.

Take a vid of robot in action, pretty please (with a cherry on top).

Even better then my idea of picture .  I am very excited to see them get it.

Truly all the work they have put in they deserve a good sucess on this project.  I still stick with my saying he cares for miners, which is nice to see.

[sidehack]

I didn't get to sleep until super late last night because I couldn't get the numbers out of my head for some problems I would run into on TypeZero design. And of course today I didn't write down a darn thing because I spent the whole day fixing hosted miners and prepping for the robot. The next few days will be all Compac, getting the assembly and testing process ironed out, and then once we're caught up on orders (and probably out of parts again) I'll be back to work on new product dev. The first thing will be assembling a test buck for the 4-chip and making sure it works as expected, which will probably require Novak to do a bit of ASM so I can test software voltage changing. We haven't yet ironed out everything that'll be going into the controls but we've got a pretty good idea.

As I've said before, I want to have a working (at the hardware level at least) 4-chip and 30-chip with BM1384 before September is out.

But first I have a couple hundred stick miners to build. Y'all been waiting too long.

I would consider video, but I don't have a YouTube account. I mean I used to, back when it was YouTube - my account predated the Google buyout by several years. When the university here decided to outsource email to Google (lazy jerks), somehow without my consent my now-Google university email locked itself to my now-Google YouTube account and disconnecting them (as I had never authorized them to be connected in the first place) denied me the ability to log into my YouTube account since Google decided that all accounts, even accounts predating their takover, would require a Google master account to use. So, account deleted. For those who don't know me too well, I despise Google and refuse to participate in anything involving their servers (as much as possible; sometimes they're sneaky) because I don't want to make it easy for them to profit by raiding my life story, the sleazy bastards. Long story short, no videos from me.

[philipma1957]

A photo or two on imgur works . Unless they are Google owned.

I try to use bing and yahoo when possible.

[AJRGale]

A photo or two on imgur works . Unless they are Google owned.

I try to use bing and yahoo when possible.

yeeesss, bing all the things! Microsoft wants to know alll about you! raise your hand if you're a poor sod who has win7/8/10.. look at all them sheeple ..

if you'd excuse me, i have some grass to chew on..

[sidehack]

My office desk machine runs Windows 7, but only because crappy modern browsers are so friggin' bloated they started requiring more than 2GB RAM to keep from crashing every couple days. Everything else is XP or Linux. My opinion, Windows hasn't made a really good OS since 2000. XP did a very few things better than 2K and many things a fair bit worse. Nothing they've done since is close to decent. After a couple days of paring I got Win7 working moderately well, and it has proven to be stable - I had almost 290 days uptime before a power outage took out my machine. But that doesn't excuse the fact it installs (and by "installs" I mean "copies a preassembled image") to 20GB drive space and boots to 2GB RAM for the same actual functionality I could get out of a 3GB XP install that boots to 80MB. It's retarded where Windows has gone, and even more retarded where it's going.

My default search engine is ixquick. From what I can tell, they're pretty not evil.

[philipma1957]

A photo or two on imgur works . Unless they are Google owned.

I try to use bing and yahoo when possible.

yeeesss, bing all the things! Microsoft wants to know alll about you! raise your hand if you're a poor sod who has win7/8/10.. look at all them sheeple ..

if you'd excuse me, i have some grass to chew on..

 8 sucked  8.1 sucked never used them.

I used  w95 nothing for a while then    w7 w10

[elrippo]

My office desk machine runs Windows 7, but only because crappy modern browsers are so friggin' bloated they started requiring more than 2GB RAM to keep from crashing every couple days. Everything else is XP or Linux. My opinion, Windows hasn't made a really good OS since 2000. XP did a very few things better than 2K and many things a fair bit worse. Nothing they've done since is close to decent. After a couple days of paring I got Win7 working moderately well, and it has proven to be stable - I had almost 290 days uptime before a power outage took out my machine. But that doesn't excuse the fact it installs (and by "installs" I mean "copies a preassembled image") to 20GB drive space and boots to 2GB RAM for the same actual functionality I could get out of a 3GB XP install that boots to 80MB. It's retarded where Windows has gone, and even more retarded where it's going.

My default search engine is ixquick. From what I can tell, they're pretty not evil.

Why not use a Debian based System an duckduckgo.com 

[AJRGale]

well, linux + winxp + win 7 + win10 at work (need to know how to make things work for customers) the only thing I'm lacking is an OSX box.
but linux for most of my at home, then win7 for just games, cant be stuffed trying to get directx based games running on linux. I believe steam makes it easer, but meh.

also, the way its looking, win10 + bitcoin client = microsoft has your key and wallet on their servers, ready for any hackers to pop the lock on (sony networks anyone?). but that's paranoia about telemetry storing what your typing, saying and writing via stylus.. the joys of being the product microsoft is selling.

philipma1957, my favourite was win95 version C, and i grew on vista, it did games better then any of the others...

want a small usable OS side? ever tried TinyCore? basic OS with GUI, ~10MB, then you have the options of installing modules, bloating it your own way (eg, firefox and its 5x the OS size)

anyway, Pictures Baby! I need my weekly fix! >_o

[PlanetCrypto]

A photo or two on imgur works . Unless they are Google owned.

I try to use bing and yahoo when possible.

yeeesss, bing all the things! Microsoft wants to know alll about you! raise your hand if you're a poor sod who has win7/8/10.. look at all them sheeple ..

if you'd excuse me, i have some grass to chew on..

 8 sucked  8.1 sucked never used them.

I used  w95 nothing for a while then    w7 w10

Favorite OS was the executive routine on the Univac CP-890/B mainframe.
WinNT was good (server and Workstation), XP, Win 7.
We run Rocks on the bigger of our 2 super computers (~200 Tflop) which is based on Centos and Centos on the smaller one (~50 Tflop).
All our VPN servers run Centos.
We have a smattering of HP DL380's in house that run Centos as well that host a variety of guest OS's.

A little secret, the way Vbox presents CPU cores to a guest OS is to present 1 physical CPU that has XXX internal cores.
This allows us to run Win 7 Pro as a guest OS with, say, 48 cores under VBox.
Thereby bypassing the physical cpu processing limit imposed by MS in their different OS's.

The Rocks Compute Cluster is used primarily to generate 4K/8K/16K DH keys and large Mersenne primes.
The smaller SC is used for DNN (Deep Neural Network) data mining/natural language processing and hosts our "air gapped" Win 7 accounting VM.

We are of the mindset to use an OS that is appropriate for the task at hand.

[brush242]

I would consider video, but I don't have a YouTube account. I mean I used to, back when it was YouTube - my account predated the Google buyout by several years. When the university here decided to outsource email to Google (lazy jerks), somehow without my consent my now-Google university email locked itself to my now-Google YouTube account and disconnecting them (as I had never authorized them to be connected in the first place) denied me the ability to log into my YouTube account since Google decided that all accounts, even accounts predating their takover, would require a Google master account to use. So, account deleted. For those who don't know me too well, I despise Google and refuse to participate in anything involving their servers (as much as possible; sometimes they're sneaky) because I don't want to make it easy for them to profit by raiding my life story, the sleazy bastards. Long story short, no videos from me.

Yew guyz all kill me wit dis shizz.

If you aren't providing your own server/email/domain, and yer gettin' it all for free, you ain't got no complaints. It's free and on their terms: shut up.

Now, to be fair, if you bail when you seez the change, more power to you. But, unlike the gov't, the Goog (any private company) can't force you to do anything. You have no right to ANYTHING that Google provides.

The point being, you don't have to like Google, but you don't have to use Google. Of course, you are more than welcome to "damn hell ass Google is eeeevil becuz blah blah blah", but that's just meaningless. It provides a service, on its own terms, just like sidehack and Novak provide a service on theirs.

Accept Google's offer or don't, but your credibility goes out the window when you decide that x company is eeeevil simply because you don't happen to agree with what it provides you on its terms. Nothing could be more simple: don't use it.

If you can understand why people accept your offer, you can understand why people accept its offer--even if you think its eeeevil by definition.

Google isn't sleazy because you happen to disagree with what you chose to offer it freely. Similarly, it didn't raid your life story because, once again, you offered it in exchange for the services it provides.

[sidehack]

Gekkoscience.com and the associated email addresses are hosted by a server in my shop. I do provide all that. You may notice we have no advertisements or any tracking scripts on there.

I also us Google as little as possible, because their "free services" are paid for by harvesting user data and selling it to everyone from spammers and advertisers to government agencies. I choose not to hand over my life story in exchange for services. I don't like their meddling, and I don't like their data mining. There's better ways for providers to pay for "free services" than by selling their customers, and some folks use those ways, so I'll use those guys' services instead. I didn't say Google was evil, I said they were sleazy bastards for harvesting and selling customer data. I'd say that about anyone in the same position, big or small. I bet if more people really realized half of the kind of tracking, logging and ID scripts which Google had embedded in probably half the sites on the Internet by now (via javascript servers, analytics and ad provision) they might also be a bit upset.

Put simply, I don't want anything Google provides "for free" because it's not worth the cost. I know they're gonna get me anyway whether I like it or not (therein the sleazy part), so I don't want to make it easy for 'em.

Also, the robot is in. I have it mostly figured out. Picture in the Compac sales thread. Gonna be Compacking probably all the rest of this week so no dev work to report on, unfortunately.

[PlanetCrypto]

I also us Google as little as possible, because their "free services" are paid for by harvesting user data and selling it to everyone from spammers and advertisers to government agencies. I choose not to hand over my life story in exchange for services.

Ditto

I didn't say Google was evil, I said they were sleazy bastards for harvesting and selling customer data. I'd say that about anyone in the same position, big or small. I bet if more people really realized half of the kind of tracking, logging and ID scripts which Google had embedded in probably half the sites on the Internet by now (via javascript servers, analytics and ad provision) they might also be a bit upset.

Ok, I'll say their evil AND sleazy bastards.

The hang with Google and others is there is no way for the individual to track/control what personal information is disseminated to whom when.
Combine this with the fact the average "user" has no clue how that information can be analyzed and used is particularly compromising.

Most of the big search engines (Google, Yahoo/Bing, etc) and data miners (Axiom, et.al.) have entire divisions that service LE, it's a huge profit center for them.
As a personal individual I cannot access or correct the information all of the above have on file about me. Yet LE can. What if it's in error?

Sorry to hijack the thread but the problem is worse than one might imagine and I could not resist making a comment.