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101  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2022, 09:25:55 PM


Wondering what exactly is the advice
Beware of things that look good at a glance.
102  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 19, 2022, 09:20:50 PM


id ask for a do over for '22...except i def do not want to go thru this again    could be 3-6 months before this purge shakes out cause im not sure the other shoe has dropped yet
usually comes about the time you raise your head up and begin to wonder if its all clear

disappointed with the whole space right now


happy fucking holidays


dyor

stronghands

If that doesn't say "stronghands" we are gonna have to sit down for a talk! Smiley

103  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2022, 09:33:55 PM

I am generally happy with how things worked out for me, though I wonder if there is any advice on what alcoholic beverage is suitable to flush down the pain and misery felt from having to sell at 16k to pay bills?

I think there are really two answers to this one...  Either something really expensive:


Or perhaps you want to go the discount route instead to save your sats:


I, on the other hand am trying not to become an alcoholic, so I am sticking with this sort of thing... much better than I would have thought!
104  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2022, 02:45:51 PM
My heart dropped when, after a few glasses of wine, I saw that I had a few too many pages of WO to catchup on before bed time.

But many thanks to one poster for making my task a little easier. Thanks for letting me have an earlier night. Sleep well sweetheart xxx



I shall be dreaming of helicopters.

I JUST made a screenshot of the same thing.  To POST the same thing.  Good grief.  I do not know what he is saying... but I do know LSD and megalomania do not mix well...  I assume it still in that zone?
105  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 18, 2022, 02:42:40 PM


Hal's dead and he is not coming back.  We need to figure this shit out for ourselves, and I believe that if we crowd source, we should be able to come up with ideas that are just as good, if not better than Hal's ideas from 2010.. In other words, fuck Hal (no irreverence intended).. and since I am at it.. fuck satoshi, too..(no irreverence intended there either...).   

Absolutely agree, and making my point.  We solve this.  But we are not there yet.  And at the same time get the damn coins of stupid exchanges...  And I know Hal (and Satoshi) are not the answer... but a girl can dream... a girl can dream.
106  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 17, 2022, 06:19:27 PM
Well accepting shitcoins as collateral for loans no matter the % collateralized was dumb as fuck in the first place, but noooooooobody cared

Bull bitcoin does it right : https://www.bullbitcoin.com/blog/why-bull-bitcoin-is-immune-from-ftx-collapse-and-crypto-contagion


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Many crypto exchanges and service providers were trusting FTX with their users’ money, causing users who had no business with FTX to lose money as well.


The entire reason bitcoin exists is to remove trust yet every scum sucking scammer out there tries to weasel around this fact.

Then every low brow in the world that says they understand bitcoin (they be crypto bro)  cry like little girls when what they ignored as a fact turns out to be true.


I have ZERO pity for the fools that haven't been listening to what satoshi tried to teach them.

I agree, in spite of the fact I have often complained "Be your own bank" is too simplistic a slogan.

I have been a vocal proponent of the idea of "bitcoin banks" for a long time.  For the simple reason that not everyone will be able to safely self custody the way things work now.  I hear the phrase "Anyone can write down 12 words" a lot nowadays.  Or "If you can remember your password you can remember your seed words".  That sort of thing is apples to oranges.  There is a BIG DIFFERENCE between someone stealing access to your Spotify account and someone stealing access to your retirement savings when people take a screenshot of their seed words and text it to themselves or upload it to google drive.

What I foresee is technology solving that problem in a trust minimized way.  Something like Chaumian mints, covenants, or some other such wizardry that I cannot say I completely understand.  But we have to go that direction... or something like it that would work.

What I have NEVER meant is we would trust unregulated single points of failure operating out of the Bahamas.  LOL.  And if you leave your funds under the exclusive control of someone like that... well I agree with Hueristic AND Mr. T. Smiley

And I do not think "regulation" or "proof of reserves" are perfect solutions in any way.  In fact I think regulation is going to be used to try to kill Bitcoin (good luck with that) and proof of reserves is a good idea in theory, but is also gameable, and frankly therefore useless.  Particularly since no one has ever mentioned "Proof of Liabilities" which would also be needed for that to work in the first place.

Anyway... the recent events are making me reevaluate my stance on "Bitcoin Banks"... and i (we) have a long way to go. 

I wish we could ask Hal to expand on what he foretold back in the day... ah well.
107  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2022, 08:30:15 PM
As one of this Wall Observer's resident Monero degens I feel it is my duty as a fellow Bitcoin Maxi (I know...I thought that sentence up for Jay particularly as well as it being true) to remind you all:

There is no better time than the present to stage some sort of fantastic boating accident.

I mean... LOTTA ships sinking out there.  Maybe one of them was holding all your corns?

Say no more?

(I kid...I kid FEDARALES! I have personally had no boating accidents, nor do I own any Bitcoin (and certainly not Monero)).

The unfortunate part of it is that while your property is impaired (say, stuck on a bankrupt exchange), you cannot take a loss (against your gains or $3000 loss against other income per year in US) until all legal proceedings are completed...or at least it is my current knowledge of that situation.

Wow.. so basically:

Not you boat, not your accident.

But in all seriousness that does suck.

edit: but in all, all seriousness...  I do not mean to be coming on too strong with the dark humor.  A LOT of people are getting hurt by this damn thing.  And almost none of them deserve it. certainly no one I know here...

One reason I felt OK about joking around is we all have our shit backed up in cold storage, right?

Maybe not.  In which case... no harm intended.   I took some pretty big hits this year myself... robbed by the medical system I work for lol.
108  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2022, 08:06:04 PM
As one of this Wall Observer's resident Monero degens I feel it is my duty as a fellow Bitcoin Maxi (I know...I thought that sentence up for Jay particularly as well as it being true) to remind you all:

There is no better time than the present to stage some sort of fantastic boating accident.

I mean... LOTTA ships sinking out there.  Maybe one of them was holding all your corns?

Say no more?

(I kid...I kid FEDARALES! I have personally had no boating accidents, nor do I own any Bitcoin (and certainly not Monero)).
109  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2022, 05:54:15 PM


I tried logging into my Gemini account, and it is "temporarily grounded" at the moment...  Looks like it has been down for about an hour so far, so it is not anything to get overly worried about, yet...  Hopefully, Gemini has NOT overly gambled with their client's funds too.....even if they may well have lost a lot of funds that were in such "earn" product.  So many folks believe that they need to "earn yield" on their coins.. which seems to be a slippery slope into shenanigans.. even tough we likely know that there should also be legitimate ways to "earn" so long as the "earning" is actually put into some product that is actually something other than a ponzi scheme and has actual collateral backing it up.

I think this is where a LOT of the "space" has underestimated the fallout from this thing.  It is going to hurt every exchange that was stupid enough to send money over to FTX for some reason.

I read even Coinbase is stuck double digit millions (can't currently find the source) because of this.  Now Coinbase can probably actually absorb that shock.  But depending on the exposure and the size of the victim?  There is no doubt we will see fallout?

Was Gemini dumb enough to have funds over there.  Honestly, probably.  Lots?  Hopefully not.  Or is it just that they are having the unfreeze some cold storage?  Well for several reasons I hope that is the case.

No matter what, we are really only dipping under the surface of the water to BEGIN to get an idea of the size of this iceberg. I think we should see much more fallout.

Honestly i HOPE we do.  I do not want people to get hurt... but i DO want to see the exodus of coins off exchanges not only continue, but accelerate. 
110  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 16, 2022, 05:00:30 PM

And like it or not no one knows if LN network kills off mining or helps mining down the road.


I promise I will stop making this point over and over, but  I am going to try one last time.

Lightning (or ANY OTHER scaling layer/solution) cannot 'kill off mining'.  It's sort of a catch 22 but positive.

You only need lightning if blocks are full (and for instant settlement).  If blocks are not full people will not need to use lightning.

Lightning will KEEP blocks full.  Lightning service providers are going to compete on the base layer to write settlement transactions.  For the entire world!

Individual users are not going to want to pay the sort of fees necessary to keep miners supported as the subsidy wanes, but layer 2 service provider certainly will.

I honestly cannot figure out how you are scared by this.

_edit_ as a matter of fact we are seeing this play out right now.  Blocks are super full with a mucilaginous backlog (thanks to Binance and people pulling stuff off exchanges?)  If I need to make a transaction I am definitely going to want to do it over lightning if I can.  So lightning is NOT killing the miners.  It is saving the individual.
111  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 15, 2022, 04:04:41 PM
Uh oh.

112  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 15, 2022, 03:55:59 PM
So ...

Just flow with me here for a sec... What if this whole FTX thing was really a set-up.  Powers that be come in... got SB-F hooked on SOMETHING.  Have you seen the videos of him vibrating like a diesel engine?  Then nudge him further and further into the red 'till they set up the collapse.  Have legislation ready in the countries they control to try to bring the whole thing down over a few weeks...

Nah.  Just a ponzi prolly.

I'm just going to quote this from time to time until I either come out dead wrong, or...

Well let's hope for dead wrong.
113  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2022, 10:36:40 PM
OK...  I obviously do not mind sharing crazy opinions...  so here's another.

We are standing on the threshold of the MOTHER of all short squeezes.

I just do not know how long it takes to cross that threshold. Could be longer than some of us have... could be faster than we would possibly expect.

You know what to do.
114  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2022, 10:33:43 PM
Thought of letting y'all know... I lost a lot at FTX. Like really, A LOT. For a long long time, I won't be in a position to re-enter BTC. I'm so done.

"Not your keys, not your coins"

At the end of the day, I think y'all outperformed me. It'd not have happened if it weren't for Sam, though. But... whatever.

I am very, VERY sorry to hear this man.  Truly.  I hope you can see that what you have NOT lost is more valuable than what you did.  By a long shot.

You will be back.
115  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 13, 2022, 09:59:22 PM
alright...deep breathes cAP...everyone else as well...the flush will complete and bitcoin will be the stronger for it
and f*ck war...bitcoin is about peace and love...it's the only way this works
stop buying into the MSM and the nation states that would rule with fear...that profit from division
the people who make this space better still hodl bitcoin


 

"Silent weapons for quiet wars".  That's my point. And I am not buying any of it.  But LOTS of people still are.  Nixon taking us off the gold standard was the set-up.  I never said it was kinetic though it may end up that way.  Time will prove me out even though I hope I am wrong.

Breathing is just fine... I promise.  I am very calm!  

https://archive.org/details/SilentWeaponsForQuietWarsOriginalDocumentCopy/page/n1/mode/2up
116  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2022, 07:32:19 PM
So ...

Just flow with me here for a sec... What if this whole FTX thing was really a set-up.  Powers that be come in... got SB-F hooked on SOMETHING.  Have you seen the videos of him vibrating like a diesel engine?  Then start making less and less veiled threats 'till they set up the collapse.  Have legislation ready in the countries they control to try to bring the whole thing down over a few weeks...

Nah.  Just a ponzi prolly.

[]


Also this.

https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ftx

All these lenders/exchanges fail one after another.  I wouldn't be too surprised, if setting up (some of) these companies just to pull the plug afterwards was an attack of tptb.  We are in an era of covert wars so it would fit the zeitgeist.

 

So few see it still... which makes me fear we are doomed.  Almost no one realizes we are ~50 years into WWIII.  But it's getting pretty heavy now.  The next few years will be interesting if nothing else.
117  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2022, 07:23:51 PM
Here's a great podcast by Mr Bankman-Fried on how to prevent the next terra.  Roll Eyes



https://unchainedpodcast.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/UN403-Social.jpg

LOL.

Laura Shin might actually just be a psyop.  She has been, for YEARS, one of the "reporters" who seems to completely miss the point of Bitcoin, and majors on all the stupid bullshit scams instead.  ERC20, Defi, Web3... all that sort of nonsense.  That's what she thinks matters... while she poo poos the idea that BITCOIN is really the real deal.  All the while pretending to be neutral.
118  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 12, 2022, 05:19:33 AM
If nothing else...

This is gentlemen.
119  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 11, 2022, 07:25:03 PM
SBF

I still don't know why we need to care about this shitcoining douchenozzle and why it's taking up pages of WO... can anyone please ELI5 the relevance to Bitcoin?

Well I see two relevant points.

--The garbage fire is causing some folks to "get it".  Does every time.  AND those who still DON'T get it think Bitcoin is somehow also tainted by this.  And this is worth discussing.

--I also see a VERY possible angle that this is all an orchestrated attack on Bitcoin.

So yeah... SBF is not all THAT interesting.  But he IS part of the two above thing, and the more you look at him the more you can see he is a perfect candidate for something bigger than just a ponzi.

But I agree his presence is tiresome.
120  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 11, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
So ...

Just flow with me here for a sec... What if this whole FTX thing was really a set-up.  Powers that be come in... got SB-F hooked on SOMETHING.  Have you seen the videos of him vibrating like a diesel engine?  Then start making less and less veiled threats 'till they set up the collapse.  Have legislation ready in the countries they control to try to bring the whole thing down over a few weeks...

Nah.  Just a ponzi prolly.

[]


Also this.

https://www.weforum.org/organizations/ftx
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