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1001  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Hashblaster, from Essen Germany on: December 12, 2013, 04:41:21 PM
20nm? Total scam, stay away from this.

Seriously, don't send money without some kind of proof what they have is real, that goes for any of these pages that pop up out of nowhere without nary a word from their leadership on these boards.
1002  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining for the little guy isn't dead on: December 12, 2013, 07:24:50 AM
Bitcoin mining is tough to jump into with scarce gear commanding a high price tag, but there are 100 alternative blockchains that are right behind it that could use your mining support  Cool  Even those old GPU rigs still have life there.




1003  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Mining Heart on: December 11, 2013, 09:15:13 AM
Half of their "products" are either confirmed scams or probably scams, either way are devices never shown to actually exist.

Stay away
1004  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Difficuly increase due in 2 hours.... Will kill a few miners off on: December 10, 2013, 11:22:34 AM
Bitcoin Difficulty:   707,408,283
Estimated Next Difficulty:   912,299,591 (+28.96%)
Adjust time:   After 17 Blocks, About 2.1 hours
Hashrate(?):   6,829,427 GH/s
Block Generation Speed(?):   
1 block: 7.4 minutes
3 blocks: 22.2 minutes
6 blocks: 44.5 minutes
Updated:   4:15 (5.6 minutes ago)

Nov 29 2013   707,408,283   16.07%   5,063,826 GH/s
Nov 17 2013   609,482,680   19.29%   4,362,847 GH/s
Nov 05 2013   510,929,738   30.70%   3,657,378 GH/s
Oct 26 2013   390,928,788   46.02%   2,798,377 GH/s
Oct 16 2013   267,731,249   41.45%   1,916,495 GH/s
Oct 06 2013   189,281,249   27.19%   1,354,928 GH/s
Sep 25 2013   148,819,200   32.13%   1,065,289 GH/s


It's not that bad, an average of 25% per jump seems to be the norm at the moment.
1005  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The biggest problem with bitcoin is these imcompetent exchanges on: December 10, 2013, 01:33:57 AM
Bitshares, Open Transactions, and Mastercoin are all the real way this is being dealt with, in what are p2p exchange nodes that can be used to generate and trade any kind of currency or asset. These are new layers being built on top of Bitcoin and other blockchains to facilitate decentralized exchange.

For centralized exchanges, there are things like ItBit that are throwing down some serious venture capital to create a robust system.
1006  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] batch #35 1.0 btc per CUBE 30Gh/s - 38Gh/s, 49 port hubs on: December 09, 2013, 08:40:08 PM
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1007  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CLOSED] batch #35 1.0 btc per CUBE 30Gh/s - 38Gh/s, 49 port hubs on: December 07, 2013, 08:09:24 PM
2 questions:

1. Is this the only profitable machines you can get right now?

2. When is the next shipment available?

Hashrate/$ is on the high side, but the Cubes and Blades are one of the few options that you can buy and receive immediately at the moment. Most other offerings are small batched and may not see them again for weeks or months. These later ASICs will be much better in terms of price/performance, but are at least 4 months out.

As for question 2, Im sure Canary has another batch in the works following this order.

1008  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: MiningHeart.com is new service for miner selection. on: December 04, 2013, 04:12:49 PM
The only thing I see here are a bunch of miners that don't exist and are basically verified scams you have for sale... Angry  Not cool
1009  Economy / Economics / Re: The Coming Global Wealth Tax on: December 04, 2013, 03:49:45 PM
There is already a global wealth tax, its called inflation.

1010  Economy / Economics / Bitcoin: The Resource Based Economy on: December 04, 2013, 02:46:39 PM
After thinking long and hard about what Bitcoin really is and why it is the most important technology ever invented in human history, I have come up with the following. I am curious if anyone out there agrees with me, so here it goes (sorry for the wall of text, but couldnt be avoided here  Smiley )-

The Resource Based Economy Through Blockchain Technology

The value of a Bitcoin is NOT simply its value in fiat money. In this, Bitcoin is NOT a bubble as pinned on pure asset classes like metals, stocks, derivatives, etc that see wild speculation with no fundamental basis for it. Remember that the fiat exchange rate is only a measure of what 1 Bitcoin will buy in that fiat economy. If you spend a Bitcoin within Bitcoin's economy, it is only worth the goods and services that 1 Bitcoin will buy. Therefore, a Bitcoin's value is derived from the utility and service it provides to its users, not what Bitcoin can purchase in a broken, corrupt fiat money system. Remember that fiat money is worthless paper and nothing more. It is backed by nothing but faith.  Bitcoin is backed on being a useful innovation. I will explain this in detail below.

A Traditional Company, using Google as an example.

Google was once a two man operation working out of a small office comprised of Larry Page and Sergey Brin, with the great idea to improve search function on the Internet, which at the time was terrible at best (remember Webcrawler anyone?).

They created a working model of their idea in the form of a vastly improved search algorithm created with computer software, and pitched the idea to investors to fund more development.

Investors that saw the utility and usefulness of Google's improved search algorithm to users bought Google stocks at IPO to fund further development of these products. As an early investor, they bore the risk that Google may fail as so many .coms did in that era and their investment may vanish, but an equal reward should Google's products see a demand from a user base giving Google value as a company through the innovations it provides. In effect, buying a Google stock for $85 back then was a purchase of Google's potential value to its users. A simple bet that Google has a good idea and it will be huge someday.  Obviously, Google became a very successful company, based on fixing the long standing problem of terrible web search options. It provided something useful and desired by Internet users of the day, giving Google Search VALUE to users.

So, company stock = a share of the current and future value of goods and services to end users provided by that company. In this example, the exchange rate for Google stock is $1,053.26 per stock. Keep this in the back of your mind.

Fundemental Flaws of Closed Economics

There are some problems with this business model as used by Google and every business ever created, namely in the centralized nature of business, banking, and government leading to inevitable corruption:

Closed code and closed operations. This renders any centralized business and government ultimately untrustworthy as it cannot be fully audited by the public. Is Google sending your every move to the NSA? Who knows, and that is a problem.

Services bought from closed companies are purchased with fiat currency that is issued by closed governments. This starts giving lots of power to the few at the top controlling both ends of the chain, and an incentive to start rigging the system in their favor and not in favor of the users. It should be obvious by now that the corporate world today is already deeply corrupted at every level.

Users have no say in the development or adoption of products or services. A new version of software is forced upon you whether you want to accept it or not. Facebook's constant screwing with its TOS is evidence of this behavior.

Closed business structure is hostile toward true innovation as solving real human problems forever is not profitable for them. Solving the energy needs of the Human race puts Big Oil out of business. Cures to disease puts Big Medicine out of business. The Internet itself is killing institutional education (that would charge you $40,000 a year to learn what you can on the Internet for free). Clearly, innovation is not the friend of Big For-Profit Business. Killing innovation is much easier than having to change as a business. Those in power like to stay in power.


A New Economic Paradigm

Let's investigate how a digital coin is formed compared to the usual business model described above-

1. A whitepaper is introduced describing a new digital coin and the overall blockchain technology that would underpin it. This is the idea or innovation, in Bitcoin's case a worldwide distributed accounting system, currency system, and payment network that is publicly open at every level. This is what makes Bitcoin more than just money. It is a complete economic system rolled into one that is freed from central Human governance that always leads to a corrupted economy and society as history shows again and again. The open nature of blockchain accounting creates public trust.

2. Developers create computer software taking the innovation to a functional technology that is completely open source and open to all, free to propagate based on the innovation filling a particular need. In the case of Bitcoin, it provides a self-regulating open payment network and currency that is seen as a needed technology in our globally connected Internet-based world today. An open money system built just for the Internet is a good idea, and this idea begins to catch on based on these merits. The idea has VALUE the same way Google Search did in the beginning to its users.

3. Early miners begin generating new coins into its economy.

Instead of simply buying "stock" in Bitcoin with fiat currency (though this is done too, for now) as a traditional closed business, miners earn "stock" in the form of new coins by using their own computing resources to support and maintain a global network that makes transmission and trade of these "stocks" incredibly easy and accessible to every Internet user on Earth because access to this technology is 100% free.

The first miners in a blockchain have absolutely no incentive to be a part of that network beyond the possibility that the innovation it represents takes off in the public space, becoming a valuable resource to end users. A few coins already died (ChinaCoin[CHN] isone) because users saw no real value in the blockchain or the services built on it.

People mined Bitcoin in the early days because it was a great innovation with amazing potential. Those that had early faith were rewarded by their "stocks" appreciating in value greatly today.



So, if a normal company stock really represents a stake in the potential value of products or services to the end user, a Bitcoin represents the same thing. Each coin is a share of the global Bitcoin economy that provides end users value in the form of products and services.

Now here is the really important part of this:

Unlike a traditional company stock, you can purchase goods and services directly with digital coins. In the Google example, it would be no different than taking my stock to Subway and buying a sandwich with it directly without cashing it out to fiat currency first. I would be literally buying a sandwich with the present and future innovative potential of Google.

The middlemen (crooked banks and governments run by a criminal elite) have been eliminated, enabling the direct purchase of other goods and services with a living asset backed entirely by the true value of useful innovations and ideas to real people.

Basically, we can spend Bitcoin stock like cash as easily as sending an email.

That's right, if you own Bitcoin in any amount, you are a pseudo anonymous shareholder in a decentralized, fully autonomous, fully open, global crypto-corporation that runs in cyberspace, maintained by its voluntary "employees" comprised of any person or business operating in the Bitcoin space as either a service built upon it or directly as a miner supporting the core transaction network.

Bitcoin is the first example of what can be called a Digital Autonomous Corporation, or a DAC.

In a sense, a Bitcoin accepting business or person is only a department in Bitcoin Incorporated, much the same way Search or gMail are pieces of Google's global enterprise. However, unlike a normal corporation, each "department" of Bitcoin is itself fully free to come or go at any time. If a crypto-based business finds a coin economy that suits it better, they can sell their Bitcoins for something else and start using that instead. Or both.

The Blockchain Economy effectively separates government and business by breaking the binding of centrally created government currency and privately owned business. In its place, a truly free and democratic marketspace.

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The implications of this are astounding.
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A Resource Economy

As seen, this technology is not simply a replacement for the Dollar. It is something much more. It rewrites how the world will do business in the future, free of government medding and profit whore CEOs.

There is no limit on how these independent digital economies can be applied.

An example of how a blockchain could be applied to green energy production-

I decide to move off the centralized electrical grid and buy solar panels and deploy other green energy generators on my own house to provide 100% of its energy needs. I sell off whatever extra energy there is to the power company in the form of Renewable Energy Credits. My home state and local power company has an REC program so a business or person can purchase 1 Megawatt-hour of verified green energy at a time from grid-tied solar farms without knowing which farm produced it. RECs are needed because it is not possible to track the source of any given electron. 

We could turn the REC into a blockchain with specialized open-source miners that essentially turn the power you generate into a unit of electrical resource through some kind of production based mining algorithm, generating a certain amount of coin depending on your power output to the grid. This EnergyCoin can then be sold to anyone who needs more power from the distributed grid without knowing who generated it, just like RECs already are, but without an ominous cloud of government bureaucracy that differs from place to place.

However, the REC as they are today cannot be traded for much else. Energycoin however can be bought or sold over the Energycoin network by whoever needs more power than they can produce on their own in a peer to peer fashion cutting out centralized power companies completely, and exchanged for any other type of resource. This means that electrical power can be purchased from your neighbor with the big Solar farm directly, face to face. No power company required. Those that produce the most energy benefit the most by generating more coins, a valuable economic resource. This would incentivize green power deployments, and to the victors go the spoils of generating the most and the cleanest energy possible for sale to people or businesses that need lots of it.

 Lets say my house generates more power than I can utilize and as such I'm generating lots of Energycoins, a needed resource by all of humanity.

I want to host a website that would require a lot of bandwidth and data storage using the Meshcoin and Datacoin blockchain networks. I don't have a large enough wireless Meshnet node for the bandwidth needed to support 1000s of users at the same time. I also don't have enough or any Datacoin nodes to support these users either.

But, my neighbor Bill sure does. He houses a large Meshnet wireless array and Datacoin storage nodes that meet my needs. But Bill feels the hurt of running such big equipment, and needs more power to run them.

I can go to Bill, and sell him Energycoins he can redeem at my solar farm for Meshcoins and Datacoins I can use to access his Meshnet gateway and storage pool. He gets more power, I get Internet resources in a mutual exchange. Service to Service. Person to Person.

Or the exchange can happen over a simple global exchange anonymously if I think Bill is a jerk and I dont want to talk to him, but I can still use the resources he is providing to the Internet by selling my energy that I dont need for things I do need.

With Bitcoin itself functioning as the world reserve currency, or a universally accepted currency under all other blockchains, each of these industry coins can be redeemed in the reserve currency too

Conclusion

This is all very much a thought exercise and not meant to be a whitepaper, it would take people smarter than I to implement such things, but an idea of what a resource economy can look like with Blockchain tech at its heart. Fully distributed everything, where anyone can participate freely. Whatever skillset you have can be converted into a useful resource to other people with this kind of exchange.


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If you are still here reading this, thank you for sticking through. I know that was looong  Shocked     But I am trying to think forward a bit, and quantify what Bitcoin really is in terms that a new Bitcoin user can understand in relation to how the world works right now.

There is a very long way to go, but I do think Bitcoin is just the first example of how pervasive this technology will become over the next years, totally rewriting not only how we do business, but getting a fair return for our productivity in interest of our own species.



What do you see the revelation of Bitcoin to be?















 
1011  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Need to switch to mBTC soon on: December 04, 2013, 08:17:36 AM
There is a motive on Reddit to call this new unit an "Embee", or mB(tc). I actually like that way better than "millibitcoin" or similar.

Satoshis  .00000001,  Embee's .0001

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1s1gx0/bitcoinity_switches_to_mbtc/

Remember, public perception is the thing we can fix with this, it needs a nice, simple name that can be remembered and not sound too technical. Embee is also in line with traditional fiats in being no more than two syllables so it is easy to say in conversation. "Mil li bit coin" is chunky, "em bee" is smooth, like pen-ny, dol-lar, nic-kle etc.

A suggestion, but we need to call it something nice sounding that doesn't create an additional public problem of sounding strange.

I know a lot of people that had no idea 1 BTC can be bought in fractions. Buying "whole" coin is also just more satisfying, and don't deny it you would rather have 1 BTC and not .38435345 of one. This is a way to subtly shift Bitcoin into a smaller "whole" unit that is much more palatable.

1012  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: I propose we merge custom hardware into mining hardware on: December 03, 2013, 06:48:11 PM
I think just a General Hardware section and a Hardware Development section would be good.

Also, something should be done with Group Buys to separate "shares in something" offers vs straight hardware sales. I'm tired of pawing through 100 "KNCMINER Shares xxxx" threads looking for straight hardware vendors with products to sell.

Maybe there should be a Mining Securities section for shared mining buys, and Mining Market for hardware sellers? Otherwise all of the shared mining stuff ends up in the normal Securities area.

Also, add an Altcoin mining section, or remove all of the Altcoin areas on Bitcointalk and be done with it. Unless this is done altcoin mining stuff will simply end up in the mining areas, which adds to the clutter when it should be pure Bitcoin mining.

Just thoughts, but it seems like things could be organized better. Currently all of this information is difficult to find and sift through to find what you are looking for.
1013  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [CUBE - OPEN] batch #35 1.0 btc per CUBE 30Gh/s - 38Gh/s, 49 port hubs on: December 03, 2013, 01:50:25 PM
Down for 1 Cube

Date: 12/3/2013 06:49
To: CanaryInTheMine 1HZUYw31GTfn6GRNKTG827SPYUgntLDCKc
Debit: -1.00 BTC
Net amount: -1.00 BTC
Transaction ID: a98198c7cedd79b5228ff6d2105a29985a95b81eb51e7a6dff32422ee1c2bcd7

Thanks Canary! Eagerly awaiting shipping info
1014  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: ASICminer Blade prices on: December 01, 2013, 06:10:59 PM
http://thegenesisblock.com/asicminer-gen3-hardware-announcement-sees-muted-market-reaction/

Their next gen chips are seemingly on the way, V2 blades are likely discontinued as they ramp up to roll out V3 Blades. I assume a V2 Cube will come about as well.

It would only make sense for them to stick with blades as their immersion cooling mine is already set up to pop in denser boards.

Hopefully new any new Cube blades will be made available to upgrade existing units which are really just a small version of the bigger blade setups. Curious to see what they end up with.
1015  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: buying hardware seems so complicated on: November 29, 2013, 02:27:03 PM
hi everyone

i want to get my hands on any hardware - bulk - group buys whatever... it just seems so complicated. trying to chase up the resellers, they're in business one second out the next.

Who is in the UK and sells mining equipment in bulk?

I've had about 30 tabs open trying to find out the last few hours...
That's because it is complicated. The ASIC chips are over priced and have to be made or aquired in bulk that means you need a lot of cash upfront hence the group buys.

A whole bunch of ASIC vendors have sprung up essentially with no money for R&D so they get crowd funded with pre-orders that have to wait for months. Most other industries don't work like this. I don't think it's a good thing, because normally to get venture capital you need to present a strong management team and business plan. The pre-order caper bypasses this quality assurance, as we have already seen, you end up with many dodgy ASIC vendors.


The chips simply cost what they cost to produce. ASIC development is very, very expensive from design to production, they must reclaim their costs to make them. The fabs don't really care if the chip price is good for your bottom line or not, it is what it is. Not to say the demand for them isn't adding to the price a bit somewhere.  Though at current market valuations, the chip price isn't so bad anymore generally. As these see more consistent mass production the cost decreases along with market competition which is now heavy.

Much of this gear is batch run by small groups of designers, in that finding consistent sources of mining gear is difficult at the moment, and demand for them ensures these small batches are sold out quickly. Only ASICMiner seems to have a full production with gear generally available consistently. Some say their stuff is overpriced, but at the moment you are paying more for availability in being able to order gear and get it in a few days, opposed to waiting for a fresh batch of something else for weeks or months.

Otherwise I agree, for the kinds of volume some on this board are capable of I don't understand why almost none of them seem able or willing to set up a basic online storefront with something like Bitpay to accept transactions. I know myself this only takes a day or two to set up something basic because that is how long it took me to develop BlockBurner's online store (currently not live). There seem to be more shops online than there were though. This is a cottage industry still, more time will see more maturity as we have seen so far.
1016  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: VMC (virtualminingcorp) miners on: November 29, 2013, 06:38:38 AM
They have so far shown absolutely nothing of their miners other than a web store that sells promises.

Sending money to a pre-order promise is a large bet, just make sure you don't give more than you afford to lose in case they run away with your money. You should be absolutely comfortable never seeing that money again, if you are not, buy what is currently and actually available from proven vendors.
1017  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [The Wasp] 28nm ASIC Miner Open Hardware Development Project on: November 28, 2013, 03:15:51 AM
This is one hell of a project! As one looking for bladed mining solutions currently, I will be watching this intently. Even better that you plan to open the design specs to the community in the true spirit of this industry.

It will be awesome to watch how many derivative Hives and Wasps come out of this too. Awesome work Bicknellski and crew Cool
1018  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Misleading electricity costs on blockchain.info on: November 28, 2013, 02:04:02 AM
Yeah dont pay attention to those graphs, they are still in the year 2010...
1019  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [BlockBurner][GB.1] KnC Neptune Group Buy + Hosting 49/50 Shares Remaining on: November 27, 2013, 07:21:04 AM
*reserved*
1020  Bitcoin / Group buys / Re: [BlockBurner][GB.1] KnC Neptune Group Buy + Hosting 49/50 Shares Remaining on: November 27, 2013, 07:20:50 AM
Shares Issued

Shareholder                Shares
01. BlockBurner                       1

02-50 Open
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