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1281  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the bitcoin community is one and the same with elitist snobs on: May 28, 2013, 08:45:11 PM
When you go from rags to riches it changes people. Are you surprised?

rags? anyone who could afford to get involved in bitcoin was already a first world citizen. please do not make up lies. they were elitist from the start. tell me how a person with rags could get involved in mining?

What is your point? If your income is $2 a month in some third-world shithole, then you probably won't be a miner no. You need equipment, equipment costs money, not everyone on earth has access to this.

Having enough money to afford the required computer gear makes you an elitist?

Just shut up you have no idea what your trolling about.  Roll Eyes
1282  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: The ASIC device scams are getting a little fancier. on: May 28, 2013, 02:01:36 PM
Just for fun I tried to search for their patents for this sweet cooling tech and their  strip LED lighting from the future....

Take a guess what I found?   Zilch  Lips sealed

Then you did not search very well.... there IS cooling tech available to cool without Peltier or compressor. (start with :Stirling cryocoolers )
A Japanese company has a system where you have a sealed canister and stir a liquid and it does indeed produce significant cooling at one end of the device.

The reason I know this was I was asked to 'design' a wine cooler/ Refrigerator that did not use any of the conventional methods.
Problem was the licensing fee was massive and you could only buy units from the jap. company.

So I would not discount the cooling tech.. however even with the cooling tech, there does not seem enough room in the case for the number of chips needed.

My meaning was this company has no patents of any kind on file under the owner or the company by name

1283  Other / CPU/GPU Bitcoin mining hardware / Re: Cheap Mining Rig - Pentium D Sufficient? on: May 28, 2013, 12:56:00 PM
I just have a el-cheapo Sempron 145 with 2 Gb of cheap GSkill RAM running my rig. The proc and memory dont have to be anything particularly special as the GPUs are really doing the work. Though for overall system speed it doesn't hurt to have adequate resources so you don't have to spend 10 years waiting for it to boot up or to log in.
1284  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin mining vs Litecoin mining on: May 28, 2013, 12:51:11 PM
http://www.coinchoose.com/

http://dustcoin.com/mining
1285  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should Bitcoin form a freedom fighters army? on: May 28, 2013, 12:46:50 PM
We already are freedom fighters. I'm doing what I'm doing to help liberate us from a tyrannical and sick money system that has caused untold misery in the world for generations.
1286  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the bitcoin community is one and the same with elitist snobs on: May 28, 2013, 12:45:00 PM
I was sure Bitcoin would succeed and it did. What prevented me from acting on this thought, and subsequently investing, was because my mind was conflicted with the fact that I also knew Bitcoin would fail. But now I know I was right, Bitcoin did succeed just like I was sure it would, and now Bitcoin will fail, because by the same calculations I used in my mind to calculate it's success, that same standard dictates this dirty shit is surely going to be crushed. I hope you sell while you can, greedy lying morons. If you were trying to fight government tyranny, you just made matters worse for yourself.

1287  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So.... How long until the government says that terrorists use bitcoins. on: May 28, 2013, 12:40:34 PM
They have already been attacking Bitcoin as a method of paying for illegal drugs and terrorist activities.

And it is all without merit. USD cash has been used for this purpose since its inception. No one calls for a ban of the Dollar. That aside they've spent millions and years fighting distributed file sharing and have gotten no closer to shutting that down either. Short of shutting down ISP's at gunpoint there really isn't jack they can do about Bitcoin aside attack end users at the fringe.
1288  Economy / Economics / Re: Hoarding Vs. Spending on: May 27, 2013, 05:40:05 PM

The power of fiat for them is the ability to endlessly print new money. This money they mostly just give to themselves, creating a disgusting system of corruption.


You can do that with bitcoin, provided you have the majority of the hashing power... Think "base units" per bitcoin (see "Output value"). This is only a hint, not an explanation.



The printing of fiat currency is in no way like how the crypto economy works. You cannot simply "print" Bitcoins this way as you can't just create new physical gold out of nothing either. After 21 Million that is all the coins there will ever be, and no more can be created after that, ever. With the Dollar they just keep printing sheet after sheet of worthless money with zero intrinsic value or rarity. To have the majority of hashpower worldwide would be very difficult and VERY expensive to do, plus this is why the network is metered to combat anyone just plopping a million Mhash rig on it and cleaning house. The addition of more power just makes mining that much harder to do. Whether the network is a single CPU or a giant hashfarm, coins only come into the system every 10 minutes, and the amount of them rewarded per block only decreases over time.

But, should probably not hijack this thread....

This rarity and difficulty in creation is what gives Bitcoin an inherent value as it took a lot of work to make them. Even when they pass the stage of a commodity, they will still continue to appreciate as Bitcoins are destroyed, kind of like a built in savings account interest whether you spend it or save it. Not a bad idea to keep some for later at this stage. China is getting on board with their own government educating their people about it, The Push 2 is on the way I think. BTC is starting to rise once more, and slowly.
1289  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Anyone heard about these guys? on: May 27, 2013, 04:52:12 PM
site is down...your welcome


Still looks plenty up to me
1290  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why can a motherboard have a big impact on mining performance? on: May 27, 2013, 04:50:43 PM
You might want to try flashing your BIOS to the newest version if you have not already, there might be some kind of conflict or incompatibility occuring
1291  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Cryonics Frosbit claiming 1000Gh/s - $15K?? on: May 27, 2013, 04:44:10 PM
Full (dis)credit to them for their SCAMsmanship, though. I e-mailed them asking for some proof of their extraordinary claims, and they replied with a rather well-worded e-mail about how they would be sending test units out to reputable individuals, and doing a live demonstration at a pre-announced location. They're certainly still keeping the charade up for now.

Would you make this email public?
1292  Economy / Economics / Re: Hoarding Vs. Spending on: May 27, 2013, 04:41:27 PM

Though once fiat fails completely (and it will in the very near future I think) a Bitcoin will simply be worth a Bitcoin, as any valuation in USD or other fiats will be absolutely meaningless if they are so hyperinflated as to be basically worthless.


I'm surprised that no one, even remotely, considers the possibility that fiat currencies may eventually be run on a protocol similar to bitcoin, with the government mining pool representing more than 51% of the hashing power of such block chain.

How do you get the smartest people to work on the next technological breakthrough?... You let them run amok with bitcoin!  Wink



Though if fiat operated on a similar protocol, it isnt fiat, it is another cryptocurrency. Not to say the government wouldn't like to operate a centralized version of Bitcoin only they control, though if they left the mathematical constants in place this control would not necessarily afford them many benefits.

The power of fiat for them is the ability to endlessly print new money. This money they mostly just give to themselves, creating a disgusting system of corruption.
1293  Economy / Economics / Re: Hoarding Vs. Spending on: May 27, 2013, 12:24:47 PM
The commodity nature of Bitcoin will dissolve eventually. As long as it is interfaced with fiat and used as a speculative tool it will just be this way for the time being.

Though once fiat fails completely (and it will in the very near future I think) a Bitcoin will simply be worth a Bitcoin, as any valuation in USD or other fiats will be absolutely meaningless if they are so hyperinflated as to be basically worthless. The markets will have to readjust after that, it is difficult to say if fiat is no longer viable what prices would become, as fiat can't be used as a reference any longer to the price of goods and services.

For now, hoard some, but do your part and spend some too to help the economy grow and get it adopted by businesses. The only reason I have yet to spend any is that there is simply nothing I need at the moment that can be bought with BTC. Unfortunately my local grocer hasn't caught on yet  Smiley

"Hoarding" gives it a negative tone in terms of saving unless you really are just stuffing every BTC you earn into a paper wallet assuming they will have a much larger fiat value someday, as if they are real gold. What is wrong with having a savings account? Usually that is encourage by financial institutions and financial people...
1294  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: List of ongoing scams on: May 27, 2013, 10:52:19 AM
....tilling your own grave tmbp Roll Eyes
1295  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: I was just banned from BFL forums on: May 27, 2013, 10:50:36 AM
There is some definite stockholm syndrome going on. Over on their forums I was attacked several times for calling out a simple fact that their customer service time was unacceptable (weeks? for a company with millions of dollars how can that be). The acolytes descended harshly to defend their masters, despite another simple fact they have not delivered on the new BitForce line for over a year.

It astounded me people would defend them so with a mountain of evidence that they are a company comprised of actual, convicted scammers and amateurs. And in Josh's case, just assholes.
1296  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin on Mtgox on: May 27, 2013, 08:55:39 AM
There are a lot of people that only use Mt Gox, if they suddenly see a new coin ooooh shiny! Buy buy buy!

You honestly think there are people that are that stupid with their money? Seems like a violation of the efficient market hypothesis.

Go check out the mining forums and see how many just blindly send their money to obvious scams....
1297  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Litecoin on Mtgox on: May 26, 2013, 08:52:36 PM
Gox is a joke, at present velocity into the ground they won't be around much longer after Homeland is done with them for not following trade rules, as well as the other lawsuit against them for $75 mill. The bunch of sweaty amateurs running this thing have no idea what they are doing.

1298  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Let's get Bitcoinstore.com to accept Litecoin. on: May 26, 2013, 08:49:04 PM
LTC (LiteCoin) has been killed by its clones: FeatherCoin, CHNCoin, GLDCoin, WorldCoin ...

It is an useless coin now

...no

LTC is the original son of Bitcoin and is fundamentally different to fill a void where faster transactions are needed. Eventually BTC will only be useful for transferring large amounts of money around, LTC fills the need for a faster coin for micro-transactions.

Similar to the way you wouldn't go buy a t-shirt with a physical gold bar. You would need something in a smaller denomination, like silver.

The Altcoins are for the most part a bunch of cheap experimental clones that are more or less meritless as a currency, though are serving to move the mass speculation and price jacking away from BTC and LTC into that secondary market, so the more the merrier.

1299  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I am NOT 100% Convinced Bitcoin Is Money... on: May 26, 2013, 08:41:27 PM
Or perhaps, Bitcoin is not compatible to gold, or fiat, because Bitcoin is a new class of its own. Really it isn't as it does not work in any way like the currencies preceded it beyond the analogs of physical gold mining built into it and the ability to spend it for goods and services as a bartering medium.

Barter>Metal>Fiat>Crypto

1300  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Coin Canary - Mining Database - All Known Vendors and Status on: May 26, 2013, 08:35:57 PM

As I pointed out in another thread, I would leave Bitwize be. Unless some employee or other is involved, I have worked with them in the past and they're legit (or were then, at least).

Not that I wouldn't put it past certain ppl, but it would be moronic to "like" your company/employer on your own scam page. There is probably some link or other to be made, as Bitwize is a "local" competitor, but I don't think it's at company level.

It is difficult to discount the linkage though, why is it there at all? If Bitwize is behind a host of scam sites I think that deserves to be recognized as well, however I have no direct proof of this, but strange nonetheless

Yes, but I'm not sure about the kind of link that can be deducted. Bitwize is in the business of creating websites, their designs are nice and they don't cost an arm and a leg (they're like 1/10th what I would pay if I had it made in the EU).

I guess some scammers are upping their game in the design dept. The mumbo-jumbo is still there though, which is a good thing Smiley

In of itself it is a trivial detail really, I just thought it was kind of odd for a business to actively promote their web dev. It makes me wonder a little if there is more connection there than a simple hired design team, especially as it is attached to other things from Fahad Koumaiha
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