Many including myself said this ages ago so its not predicting the past for your future record this trend will continue. btc will rise and the gap of profit you are losing out on with ion will increase.

suchmoon has shown other alts that havent done this. its why crypto success should be compared in satoshi increase not usd as its more comparitative. wildshark refuses to use it as it looks unfavorable.

if the btc becomes a bursting bubble ion is worse off brcause the usd drop in btc directly will affect ion hugely. but i suspect wildshark will then abandon usd comparing and go back to satoshi comparison saying it hasnt lost much.

the data is there korvas and hard to argue with. the big point of demonstration is wildsharks deliberate misleading by using the angle he wants when it suits him even if its not true.

hi wildshark im glad you continue to agree that by buying ion you and others in ion community lost profit amounts by switching from btc to ion.

its good to know that ion got you and others 6 times or 600% where as if you didnt invest today your btc would be 3800% or 3200% more than ion.

its good that you agree with the data provided and acknowledge that it would take a long time for that 20,000 masternode to generate the 60,000 extra coins that at todays rate to match the brc value you’d have had you not invested in ion. im glad we can put that matter to rest as the data shows.

its lost a lot of bitcoin value.

im glad you agree people buying ion would have made more money if they just held btc. im glad you agree with the data i posted showing this. i look forward to you agreeing in the future that holding bitcoin was more profitable and continues to be.

korvas the difference is a loss. its a profit loss.

had you not of bought ion and instead held btc you would have a lot more. you lost money moving into ion. argue all you want but this is a true fact. wildshark continues to crow on usd profit but btc was and is today better. 6 times to 38 in fact.

do your stats and show the saved btc. prove it in math. use the above btc values and sat prices above. use changes in price from chain stats on price.

if you dont show it then you cannot state its incorrect as you are arguing without numbers. if you cant show this you can not argue me to be incorrect.

also there is no best case scenario for what i said. i simply said buying no ion and holding btc.

if your numbers cannot show an equal in usd value to brc now then it is a loss compared to just holding btc.

use a single masternode in value to make it easy. 1 scales in calcs easy. also adhere to historical volumes.

i personally dont believe it possible. you’ll need to show avg ion generated s day show sell deductions etc in amounts.

also answer this if you consider me painting a worse case scenario.
do you agree that holding btc rather than ion was a more profitable investment from ico to now in terms of usd profit?

im not arguing people made money. im arguing people lost profit by moving from btc to ion. do you agree with this statement.

ion will continue to do this. btc will increase in usd and this usd difference will grow. btc has futures and larger crowds moving to it. volumes grow. ion and other alts unless they have large growth bases will not. iin games still scoreboards of what 11-15 people? once app devs incorporate lightning and apps use that how will ion compete and why would people use it with its volumes and slow dev pace.

and others have stated they would of lost profit when switching to ion which you try to state as false. the fact is ion would of lost them profits converting

https://www.google.com.au/amp/news.ionomy.com/ion-ico-details-release/amp/

ion 0.20c each 4th april
bitcoin - 421.29
ion value in bitcoin 0.00047473 for 1 ion

masternode 20,000 is 9.49464739 ($4000 usd)

fast foward to now

ion is 0.00009640
bitcoin is 16,595.72
1 ion in usd is 1.60

20,000 masternode is $32,000 or 1.928208btc
- usd increase $28,000
- btc change -7.56643939

holding ion value $32,000
holding btc value (9.49464739 x $16,595.72) = $157,570.51

i didnt add additional staked ion. but unless you turned 20,000 into 80,000 ion only by staking in a year its not equal.

argue usd etc all you want wildshark but those are the factual data. show where im wrong with math. dont jump between usd sat to try to sound favorable.

if you like ion fine but dont lie about it being more profitable.

did people make money investing in ion based on usd? yes yes they did. BUT and its a but required. Did ion investors lose profit potential by converting btc to ion? yes by a huge margin.

ion $4000 to $28,000 is 6 times richer
held bitcoin 421$ to $16,595 is 38.41 times richer

how is shifting from banking cartels to mining cartels better its just power shift. cartels still people.

why is asic boost not removed?

only asking as you sound like you want to remove corruption. you should campaign against asicboost.

so why do you claim core control when bch is jihan control? its illogical from your thinking.

bitcoin golc is non asic atm. why do you not campaign for it?

ok i do 2gb blocks. am i now superior? financial backing? thats centralised backing from a few people or group. this means its controlled and not centralised. you campaign against central control how can you approve of that?

can you provide proof lauda is paid by g.maxwell? thats a statement of fact. many would be interested to see that as lauda has many enemies.

show payments of maxwell to lauda and link evidence payments are for shill activity.

gembitz really stupid... define stupid and why gem is else its just libel

sounds to me like a fud list. whats your agenda in publishing this? what community service is this achieving

correct. based on this with azteks points i could fork bitcoin cash change blocks to 16mb and state its superior code and aztek should agree. after all ive extended the block size more so its more transaction space tight aztek? it would therefore be more of satoshis original vision as it holds more on chain. bch would then be inferior and people should migrate. this is correct right aztek? if not explain why.

incorrect. you stated superior code this is a statement made of fact.

saying the current difficulty adjustment algo allows x which i believe means y. this is a statement of logic without making it sound like you state fact.

you should start prefacing you comments with i believe. without that you are indeed stating it as fact when its not. its not someone taking it as factual. if you structure your sentences as stating fact then thats what it is. its not others taking it the wrong way. if you think that to be the case then you are indeed saying how the english language functions in sentences and use is wrong. this isnt the case at all.

how is a block size change and a different adjustment algo superior code? its the same code. i think you mean to say same code but superior parameter change ov course in your opinion else you are stating it as fact when of course you arent the authority to state such as truth

where are your facts on your statements. ive watched your posts for a while. doom and gloom, flippening statements... you ask others for proof. they show articles you cry paid by core but show no proof. then you post article links like they are fact when they are nothing more than opinion pieces the same as you criticise orhers as being non proof.

bitcoin currently runs more trans per blocks than bcash does so its moving and being used.
bcash isnt so its all happening on exchanges etc... isnt this activity the very offchain stuff you criticise?

provide some proof for your statements and flippening predictions.

btw if merchants move to bch why arent there a large increase in onchain transactions to show it being used?

you talk of fees and bitcoins mempool. question aztek and answer truthfully. could a large owner of btc spam the bitcoin chain to increase mempool size in an effort to discredit it. im not asking if they are but could they. ie could ver and his friends use their position to do this to push their agenda... im not saying they are im asking if they could. doubts something people need to consider.

im all in on btc. im not in the slightest bit wortied.

also aztek. you call people grouchy and aggressive. calm your farm. you’re pretty abussive to those not agreeing with you and you become very irrational and non logical.

its just coordinated pumps with aim to dump to increase their btc stash. they are aiming to get more btc wealth to try to erode bitcoin on the next pump.

people ride the waves and lose money flows to the bch cronies. they are trying to force buy their way to the too to declare bch the true chain.

if ver was serious on bch he’d sell ALL his btc for bch in one go since he believes in it right? incorrect. hes trying to maliciously use his wealth to buy the bitcoin name by sucking more money from others.

there has been no increase in users posting about it or global adoption. so tell me.... how does it so happen that their are mass spikes all at once and not organic linear growrth? answer is several rich key player groups pushing their agenda. not for the good of anyone but themselves.

i think all legacy accounts are becoming basic.

i had a legacy 7 days ago now basic.

i did however deposit > 10btc to buy alts. checked today first time and basic. im from australia with clean history. i think certain actions are either converting legacy to basic or they are complying more with aml and kyc.

i hear support slow and since i only have 9 satoshi there think i’ll avoid risk. being in australia makes law hard if things might go wrong.

dont get me wrong bittrex has always worked well for me and i dont have a negative to say but risk wise i think ill use cryptopia now.

being australias cousin and being able to travel on aussie creds there with shared laws covers me more.

tell me frank. did you do any recent action that might have modified your account? volume trades big deposits or withdraws?

chopping 2-5% of top wallets wont work. you have to announce prior to be open transparent for accountability. scripts run can split payments. this is what i mean there is holes in every way.

fair launch pow is not fair either think about it. china has cheaper electricity than other countries is this not unfair or discrimination? what about asic manufacturers like bitmain sending resources at it? they make their equipment so can hold back tech and supply to do it. this is also not fair.

if not sha256 then people with pc farms same diff.

yes there is a spend but its still a market advantage. in the same way btc could have been bought to acquire more bb.

not having a go at you but i think you are focusing on this tonys method whilst not realising your suggestions are highly gamable as well.

its not perfect but its better than a lot of existing ways ie buy ico and huge premines.

its cheap now and likely to get cheaper. one could buy more bb now with the future in mind. so far i think the biggest sellers are the smaller owners.

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also remember tony wanted a wide distribution. icos rarely do this. the sell fast in big amounts to few. their prices to others dictate market which is not fair.

i think personally there is no fair way to do it without identity linking. even that without in person collection is hard.

its not perfect but i think its done well for the goal of a wide distribution. the list on transition has a lot of addresses linked.

@cryptohunter - serious question but can you suggest a fair distribution method and how you’ll combat gaming of the system?

from what i see there is no fair way. there is only better ways but none of them are ungameable.

theres camps that always want more for the little guys but end result is little guys usually sell fast for meager returns and capital flows to the smart. then the little complain later when its worth more.

personally short of unique person id and equal giving of coins there is no fair way. identifying a unique person is impossible.

people talk of whales and no risked btc  but back in initial first byteball drop anyone could of purchased more btc to do it. 100btc linked then would give around 450gb today.

it doesnt sound fair but is it fair today that $7300 gets you 1btc where 6 years ago it got you like 10,000 btc?

also if all the people sold gb and 1 person bought it all up is that fair? should everyone buying all get a piece at that price?

he always has. did you not read page 1 that says he reserves the right to change the distribution amounts, times and methods. its others including yourself that overlooked that text and decided thats how he’ll do it. read.... read... read before making such misinformed statements.

i use bittrex for altcoins only keep coins there just for trade then remove.

i also use btcmarkets.net for aud$ to bitcoin. used them both for last 3-4 years no issues