Sorry guys. This has stunk of fraud from the beginning.

Back in your hole!

Thx.

Eric

Can you confirm that the M5 was recently sold and would the booked value of the sale be published?

Thx

Regardless of whether or not the PPT's were complicit in Trendon Shavor's scheme, there were essentially "feeder funds" for an illegal bitcoin securities fraud and would probably be implicated as such in any civil or criminal prosecution.  So clearly there it no incentive for them to participate. 

I buy gox code. US based. Immediate transfers.

This would probably be a civil matter not a criminal matter so no one will be going to jail.

I don't agree.

Gox is (HOPEFULLY) locked down like fort knox now.

The only thing that will stop this forward motion will be SERIOUS US govn't regulation or some time of police (bankster) state crackdown on exchanges an/or bitcoin businesses.  Fortunately the amount of time it take to get anything done in the US congress, any regulation  will be years in coming.

He're looking at 50 (an beyond!).

sounds like this maver was a talented programmer but not a very smart businessman.

Judging from his photo he seems VERY young so he is probably shitting in his pants right now.



Many of your comments suggest that this was a good and valuable exchange.

Maybe a responsible party or party or parties should step up to take financial responsibility for the site and keep m4v3r on as an UNPAID sys admin to pay off some of his debit.

I have no idea how you could recover the lost sole with exchange fees.

If you got a legal route.

1. you would have to convince a govent that your bitconz had real world value.
2. Get a civil court to file a judgement against him to recover the loss from future earnings.  (again that could take years.)

Evidently interested parties have made it there business to keep tabs on him.

It is my understanding that that PPT-PR is a collective of Pirate Pass Through's who are working together to monitor and possibly legally recover any funds from the Bitcoin Savings and Trust default.

This group may or may not include Patrick Harnett.   

They are certainly entitled to be present on this board as Patrick Harnett or collectively as PPT-PR.

MPOE-PR, what's your excuse??

Go back in your hole.

any successful buyers??

crickets...crickets....


(here kitty kitty kitty)


FYI for the noobs watching this thread, it is customary for the buyer and seller to vouch for each other publically after a successful grade.   Even a simple +1 will suffice.   Then you can review other successful trade each one has made to determine with some level confidence if they are legitimate or not.     Sellers who have NO responses from buyers are scammers and if the do have positive responses from other (often new) users with low post counts they are usually just a sock puppet of of the seller.

Not always the case but a VERY safe rule of thumb.  

THIS GUY IS A SCAMMER.  Just my opinion.

FYI, this is an excellent example of a trusted traders successful trader's vouch trading and vouch thread.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=101802.0;topicseen

Be careful out there.

man in the middle attack

attacker (tyler kurtz) contract with a mark to sell btc for paypal.

Attacker then contacts a btc seller

Attacker gives mark btc seller's paypal email (or asks the btc seller to send 'invoice' to mark)

Attacker give btc seller Attacker's bitcoin address.

If it works:

mark send paypal to btc seller
btc seller sends attacker bitcoin
mark can then charge back paypal
and coins remain with attacker

so if it works the btc seller is the victim

In this case I contacted the mark and actuall sold him real btc

then we fucked around a little with the attacker.

did you include the library you are referencing or is the path correct?

This is yet another interaction with the notorious scammer Tyler Kurtz


URL    irc://107.22.178.35:65500/lovepump,isnick    Connected via    rowling.freenode.net
Conversation with lovepump <43f246b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.242.70.182>
cpe-67-242-70-182.nycap.res.rr.com/67.242.70.182
lovepump
   lovepump   what is your email to send for the coin
   ===   lovepump <43f246b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.242.70.182> “cpe-67-242-70-182.nycap.res.rr.com/67.242.70.182”
   ===   lovepump: member of #bitcoin
   ===   lovepump: attached to rowling.freenode.net “Corvallis, OR, USA”
   ---   End of WHOIS information for lovepump.
   BCB   where are you located
   lovepump   US
   lovepump   how much is 1
   lovepump   27.5?
   BCB   ya
   BCB   xxxxx@gmail.com   
   lovepump   for 1
   BCB   ya
   lovepump   Ok ill try it
   lovepump   how much can u send me for 440?
   lovepump   18 btc?
   BCB   one sec
   BCB   495
   lovepump   I dont have that much
   BCB   how much you got
   lovepump   166
   lovepump   forgot I had to pay an invoice
   BCB   6.12 BTC
   lovepump   ok send invoice to me
   lovepump   xxxxxx@gmail.com
   lovepump   send as gift right
   BCB   yy
   lovepump   sending 166
   lovepump   dont screw me
   lovepump   sent
   lovepump   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq
   BCB   thank
   BCB   don't see it yet
   lovepump   check again It takes a second sometime I do alot on ebay
   BCB   you do what on ebay??
   lovepump   buy and sell things
   lovepump   mostly buy electronics and games
   lovepump   first last
   lovepump   you have it now im shure
   lovepump   166 sent xxxxx@gmail.com
   lovepump   correct address?
   BCB   let me check
   lovepump   sent
   lovepump   check it
   BCB   checking
   BCB   now
   lovepump   it took the funds from me so you should have it in there
   BCB   ok got it
   lovepump   kk
   lovepump   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq
   BCB   got
   BCB   it
   BCB   my client is out of sync
   BCB   give me a second
   lovepump   ok
   lovepump   hope it isnt like days behind
   BCB   no no
   BCB   I just shut if off for a few
   BCB   had to reboot
   lovepump   ok Ill wait let me know when to check it
   lovepump   still nothing
   BCB   I sent
   lovepump   why didnt you say u sent then?
   lovepump   what address?
   lovepump   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq
   lovepump   How long since you sent it ?
   lovepump   can I check it ?
   BCB   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCb
   lovepump   looks the same
   BCB   ya
   BCB   you get it
   lovepump   no
   lovepump   nothing
   lovepump   can u proof it is sent
   lovepump   hello?
   BCB   it took about 4 hours for the first confirm that last time i sent
   BCB   hope it doesn't take that long
   lovepump   show me proof you sent it
   BCB   http://blockchain.info/address/1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq
   lovepump   please
   lovepump   I only see the coin I bought earlier
   BCB   hmmm
   BCB   you sure
   BCB   let me check my client

While I was having this conversation I contacted the victim

Read this from the bottom up:

#################################

Ya I saw. Thanks a lot, man. It started sounding fishier and fishier.
 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:31 PM, BCB <> wrote:
I sent the funds back


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
he said he's gonna send out 10 when his wallet is done syncing.. If I'm not gonna get anything, I'm gonna dispute the transactions now.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
btcstore

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
What's the price?

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM, BCB <> wrote:
tell him yes


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:24 PM, BCB <> wrote:
that's him

if you want btc send to xxxx@xxxxx.net as gift or you pay any fee

email you btc address here.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:23 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Wonder who's that is.

Yeah.. They're such a pain in the ass to get.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:22 PM, BCB <> wrote:
buy the way this is the address he gave me

1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, BCB <> wrote:
what a scummy fuck

you want btc??

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:21 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
luckily I sent everything as goods.

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
bitcoinary.com

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:20 PM, BCB <> wrote:
where'd you meet this guy


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:19 PM, BCB <> wrote:
that's my address

I'll send it back

Let's fuck with this scammer


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:18 PM, Victim<xxxxx@gmail.com> wrote:
Shit. I sent it already

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:17 PM, BCB <> wrote:
They guy you are trying to buy bitcoin from right now is trying to scam you.

he's using the nick "lovepump" on #bitcoin-otc trying to get me to send you and invoice for 166.00

then he gives me his bitcoin address and you don't get any btc.

You probably met him on seal or another poker site.

Big fucking scammer this guy.

his name is Tyler Kurz

and he lives in Schenectady NY.


############################################################

Then we picked up on G-Chat.

me
9:32 PM
you get your money back
This chat is no longer off the record
________________________________________
Victim
9:32 PM
Yeah thanks
________________________________________
me
9:32 PM
kk
how many do you want
or how much do you have
________________________________________
Victim
9:33 PM
I need xxx
________________________________________
me
9:35 PM
25 is xxxx
mt gox last plus % for paypal
________________________________________
Victim
9:35 PM
for xx?
________________________________________
me
9:35 PM
xxx.xx
________________________________________
Victim
9:36 PM
okay.. now I gotta ask how I'm supposed to trust you.
________________________________________
me
9:36 PM
are you on bitcointalk.org
or #bitcoin-otc
________________________________________
Victim
9:36 PM
I lurk
________________________________________
me
9:36 PM
where
________________________________________
Victim
9:37 PM
the forum
________________________________________
me
9:37 PM
I'm BCB
you can search my nick
I'll post something there
where are you located
________________________________________
Victim
9:39 PM
what do you mean?
________________________________________
me
9:40 PM
are you in US or elsewhwere
________________________________________

________________________________________
Victim
9:43 PM
that message you?
________________________________________
me
9:43 PM
kk
________________________________________
Victim
9:43 PM
235878?
________________________________________
me
9:43 PM
so how many you want
________________________________________
Victim
9:44 PM
xx will do
________________________________________
me
9:45 PM
send to xxxx@xxxxx
send as gift or fee will be deducted from bitcoin
no paypal message
pm btc address here
________________________________________
Victim
9:46 PM
Alright. This makes me nervous as balls though. Whats the amount?
________________________________________
me
9:46 PM
xxx.xx
welcome to bitcoin
________________________________________
Victim
9:48 PM
Hahahaha. Good point.
sent
________________________________________
me
9:48 PM
kk
checking
btc address?
________________________________________
Victim
9:48 PM
18F5muPU91Qg2VVhzJjeZ1SJjMGyK6VP
________________________________________
me
9:51 PM
received
sending now
I got the paypal email
I want to wait till his my account so I can check if there was a fee
takes a second
________________________________________
Victim
9:51 PM
what?
________________________________________
me
9:51 PM
sent
http://blockchain.info/address/18F5muPU91Qg2VVhzJjeZ1SJjMGyK6VP
is this the same address you gave to the scammer
________________________________________
Victim
9:51 PM
yes
________________________________________
me
9:52 PM
ok I'm going to tell him I send the coins to this address
and you tell him "thank you"
that will really fuck with his head
________________________________________
Victim
9:53 PM
Haha. Thanks a lot man. You're a life saver.
________________________________________
me
9:54 PM
np
what out for scammers
*watch
________________________________________
Victim
9:54 PM
I definitely will.. Sneaky fucks.
 
 
########################################

Now back to Tyler Kurz patiently waiting on otc for his precious bitcoinz


URL    irc://107.22.178.35:65500/wizardofwow,isnick    Connected via    rowling.freenode.net
Conversation with wizardofwow <43f246b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.242.70.182>
cpe-67-242-70-182.nycap.res.rr.com/67.242.70.182
wizardofwow
   wizardofwow   did u scam me
   ===   wizardofwow <43f246b6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.67.242.70.182> “cpe-67-242-70-182.nycap.res.rr.com/67.242.70.182”
   ===   wizardofwow: member of #bitcoin
   ===   wizardofwow: attached to rowling.freenode.net “Corvallis, OR, USA”
   ---   End of WHOIS information for wizardofwow.
   wizardofwow   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq has only the one btc from earlier
   BCB   who is this
   wizardofwow   I got disconnected
   BCB   who are you??
   wizardofwow   It isnt showing me that you sent anything
   wizardofwow   antonio
   BCB   what is your lst name
   wizardofwow   henderson
   wizardofwow   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq
   wizardofwow   I just send u money
   wizardofwow   nothing is showing up
   BCB   ok
   BCB   didn't go through
   BCB   let me resend
   wizardofwow   thought you were screwing me
   wizardofwow   thanks
   wizardofwow   you didnt send it
   BCB   ok
   BCB   sent
   BCB   18F5muPU91Qg2VVhzJjeZ1SJjMGyK6VP
   wizardofwow   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq
   BCB   sent
   BCB   http://blockchain.info/address/18F5muPU91Qg2VVhzJjeZ1SJjMGyK6VP
   wizardofwow   1C1Lsan3wTvnnnECokBbyK8sQzaresLCbq is my address
   BCB   I sent to this address
   BCB   http://blockchain.info/address/18F5muPU91Qg2VVhzJjeZ1SJjMGyK6VP
   wizardofwow   says u sent 21
   BCB   ya
   BCB   isn't that way you said
   wizardofwow   I sent you 166
   BCB   no I got 547
   wizardofwow   not good
   wizardofwow   going to chargeback on that
   wizardofwow   sorry about this
   wizardofwow   but you shouldnt have done that
   BCB   what??
   BCB   you crazy
   wizardofwow   he owes me 6btc of that I sent him 166 of that 547 he sent you
   wizardofwow   and he didnt have all the money
   wizardofwow   sorry
   wizardofwow   he screwed me and is going to screw you most likely too
   wizardofwow   why did you lie the first time when you said you sent it
   wizardofwow   I talking to him now he is going to chargeback
        BCB   Ok you do that. I'm signing off
   BCB   nite nite
 
 

So has anyone traded with this guy yet (exept MoneyLaundererTrader.com)

If not I'll have to change this thread to be about cats.

Liberty Reserve Account Number: predimati: U8783111

more email
predimati@gmail.com

Hipay account
neteller@skr.linkpc.net

Got word today he's walking around McKinney like nothing happened. Tells people he works for "Bitcoin."

He did sell the white BMW.

If there was a lien that event would have been an asset recovery opportunity.

What does a used M5 to for these days?

If you are not a scammer use escrow.

Otherwise. Go away.

This guy is not responding to reputable members.  Obviously a scammer. 

I'll certainly delete if I'm proven wrong. 


Until then : BE VERY VERY WARY.