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13181  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 01:16:30 AM
0.065 BTC and i am not paying for the escrow fees

I agree with the price. While we are working out the details can we agree that the strike price floats at 201.35 above the current price? I see 448.65 as the current bitstamp price.

How will the exercise price be determined?



Yes, 201.35 above BSTMP.

Settlement price will be the timestamp of the PM you send me when you want to settle, or else exactly april 15 23:59 59seconds GMT. Ok?

Last trade from bitstamp ticker?


yes the last price of the bitstamp ticker exactely before your PM timestamp. Ok?

Also I am fine with all big escrows: tomatecage, danny, anon

PM one of them and pay them and tell them to PM me directly.

Timestamp after public post, okay? With PM to notify, but the public post is the determination.  

I'll get in touch with an escrow



Ok, timestamp of post, but the post will only be valid if you send a pm with a link to it and a quote of the OP within 2 minutes.

I don't really care about the opening time. How about I post, you quote, and it opens at the agreed margin. Hopefully we get this done soon.

For the close we can just make this a european option and settle at the last trade on 4/15 GMT. I don't see a good reason to exercise this early anyway.

We can also negotiate an early close out if we want of course.






my quote was meant for early close. Yes i will post a timestamp for opening. European option is fine

Okay working on escrow.
13182  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 01:05:07 AM
0.065 BTC and i am not paying for the escrow fees

I agree with the price. While we are working out the details can we agree that the strike price floats at 201.35 above the current price? I see 448.65 as the current bitstamp price.

How will the exercise price be determined?



Yes, 201.35 above BSTMP.

Settlement price will be the timestamp of the PM you send me when you want to settle, or else exactly april 15 23:59 59seconds GMT. Ok?

Last trade from bitstamp ticker?


yes the last price of the bitstamp ticker exactely before your PM timestamp. Ok?

Also I am fine with all big escrows: tomatecage, danny, anon

PM one of them and pay them and tell them to PM me directly.

Timestamp after public post, okay? With PM to notify, but the public post is the determination.  

I'll get in touch with an escrow



Ok, timestamp of post, but the post will only be valid if you send a pm with a link to it and a quote of the OP within 2 minutes.

I don't really care about the opening time. How about I post, you quote, and it opens at the agreed margin. Hopefully we get this done soon.

For the close we can just make this a european option and settle at the last trade on 4/15 GMT. I don't see a good reason to exercise this early anyway.

We can also negotiate an early close out if we want of course.




13183  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 12:59:56 AM
Oh just to clarify, the settlement BTC will also be calculated with the settlement price. Because we wont get in touch with escrow immediately after redemption.

Yes last trade on the ticker after the timestamp of the post for both the strike price (when opening the trade) and the settlement (when closing it).
13184  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 12:51:20 AM
0.065 BTC and i am not paying for the escrow fees

I agree with the price. While we are working out the details can we agree that the strike price floats at 201.35 above the current price? I see 448.65 as the current bitstamp price.

How will the exercise price be determined?



Yes, 201.35 above BSTMP.

Settlement price will be the timestamp of the PM you send me when you want to settle, or else exactly april 15 23:59 59seconds GMT. Ok?

Last trade from bitstamp ticker?


yes the last price of the bitstamp ticker exactely before your PM timestamp. Ok?

Also I am fine with all big escrows: tomatecage, danny, anon

PM one of them and pay them and tell them to PM me directly.

Timestamp after public post, okay? With PM to notify, but the public post is the determination.  

I'll get in touch with an escrow

13185  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 12:39:55 AM
0.065 BTC and i am not paying for the escrow fees

I agree with the price. While we are working out the details can we agree that the strike price floats at 201.35 above the current price? I see 448.65 as the current bitstamp price.

How will the exercise price be determined?



Yes, 201.35 above BSTMP.

Settlement price will be the timestamp of the PM you send me when you want to settle, or else exactly april 15 23:59 59seconds GMT. Ok?

Last trade from bitstamp ticker?
13186  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 12:33:21 AM
0.065 BTC and i am not paying for the escrow fees

I agree with the price. While we are working out the details can we agree that the strike price floats at 201.35 above the current price? I see 448.65 as the current bitstamp price.

How will the exercise price be determined?

13187  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 05, 2014, 12:23:29 AM
I put 1 BTC into escrow, and in the end you get 0.xx BTC depending on the price if it gets over 650$ . 0.xx being the  (Actualprice-650$)/Actual Price = BTC you get if you exercise.

Yes I think you are right. That should work.

What price would you want to write it?
13188  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 04, 2014, 11:56:38 PM
If anyone is interested in trading OTC options, here's a central place for it.

I'll start by wanting to buy a standard american call on 1 BTC at 650 expires April 15

Anybody want to sell that call? You'll have to escrow the btc unless I trust you.

Settlement in BTC?

What price do you offer?

We can settle the premium in BTC certainly but I was thinking if it gets exercised then its an actual buy of BTC for USD.

I don't have a price although I can think about one. I'm open to offers.


Can't do the exercisement in USD, don't have any way to do that.

If you change your mind, you can drop me a pm with a price offer.

Take care

I'm open to your suggestions but I don't see how to escrow otherwise. As stated, if the seller puts 1 BTC in escrow there is no counterparty risk here.  
13189  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: Options trading thread on: April 04, 2014, 11:36:42 PM
If anyone is interested in trading OTC options, here's a central place for it.

I'll start by wanting to buy a standard american call on 1 BTC at 650 expires April 15

Anybody want to sell that call? You'll have to escrow the btc unless I trust you.

Settlement in BTC?

What price do you offer?

We can settle the premium in BTC certainly but I was thinking if it gets exercised then its an actual buy of BTC for USD.

I don't have a price although I can think about one. I'm open to offers.
13190  Economy / Currency exchange / Options trading thread on: April 04, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
If anyone is interested in trading OTC options, here's a central place for it.

I'll start by wanting to buy a standard american call on 1 BTC at 650 expires April 15

Anybody want to sell that call? You'll have to escrow the btc unless I trust you.




13191  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Chess + Crypto on: April 04, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Anyone can download a computer program that can make a move in a second that would beat 99% of players out there.

You will always have cheating in online chess.  Sad

It is however a (possibly) good way to incentivize creating technology to win chess games, mostly against other technology, if you think that is interesting. (In 2014, probably not.) Go might be better.
13192  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AntMiner S2 1TH/s Miner (1w/GH/s) on: April 04, 2014, 08:48:48 PM
BITMAIN: please put some Fragile stickers on the batch 2 orders before you ship them... they are obviously not as tough as the antminers.

Many thanks!

You're confused if you think shippers pay much attention to fragile stickers. You need to pack up the items so they don't get damaged from handling that doesn't damage the packaging.
13193  Economy / Lending / Re: Looking to Borrow 10 BTC at 20 Percent Annual Interest - Strong Collateral on: April 04, 2014, 08:45:30 PM
At the very least you are going to need a better payment schedule than "whenever I want" along with demonstrated coverage for those payments.

If the loan is for a year (pretty long in BTC terms), then a reasonable payment schedule might be 10/52 per week, which would be almost 0.2 per week; a lot more than what you are planning to pay in interest.

Also have you considered a margin loan on your stock? That would be much lower interest than what you are proposing here. Why not do that?

13194  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [185 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: April 04, 2014, 02:29:28 AM
I know its been a long wait, but now it should only take about one more day to get a block.  Just FYI.

Expect 1.2 days (as the web page says Tongue)
Past mining doesn't effect when you will find a block ...

Maybe he was too subtle, but that's the joke he was making. Wink

If he written "I know its been a long wait, but I expect it should only take about one more day to get a block" it would have been funnier. And more accurate Tongue

Also, we're 82% of the way there now. Almost done.

13195  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: AntMiner S2 1TH/s Miner (1w/GH/s) on: April 04, 2014, 02:26:20 AM
You guys should really not even try powering up one of these beasts without opening up the box and reseating all cards and connectors. Some things are just bound to shake loose after traveling halfway around the world, no matter how great the QC or packing. Applying power to a system with loose boards and/or cables can cause shorts that may blow out cards or the power supply. You should also tighten up all screws and make sure loose hardware hasn't fallen onto (or into) any electronics. The S1 is/was so successful powering up because of its simplicity, everything is screwed together except for three small ribbon cables.

Design flaw. There should be a bracket holding the boards in place, especially for something you're going to ship by design.

Nevertheless what you say is true.
13196  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [185 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: April 04, 2014, 02:09:18 AM
I know its been a long wait, but now it should only take about one more day to get a block.  Just FYI.
13197  Economy / Currency exchange / Re: WTS - BTC Put Options on: April 03, 2014, 11:25:35 PM
Its pretty easy to understand why a any btc settled option really doesn't work, at least not as insurance. It might still be okay as some sort of hedging vehicle.

Imagine tomorrow some unfixable crypto or game theory flaw is discovered with btc, and the value drops to zero. Someone holding insurance would really want to be paid off, but a btc payoff is worthless.

 
13198  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [Antminer S1 Sales open] Price changes daily, now 0.893 BTC for 180GH/s on: April 03, 2014, 10:56:30 PM
My PSU tests with 3 Antminers:

PSU: Seasonic X-Series 1050w '80 Plus Gold' Modular Power Supply
Code:
1x Antminer S1 180 GH/s	356W	1.98W/GH
2x Antminer S1 180 GH/s 715W 1.99W/GH
3x Antminer S1 180 GH/s 1108W 2.05W/GH
Wattage from the wall. Antminers on stock speed.

Seasonic 1050W can take 3 miners?

Yes. As you can see.

I thought it says 1108W for 3 ants? Huh
Anyway, why u don't overclock?

Power supplies are rated by their output not their input. Input is always higher due to efficiency.

That said I'd be careful with a 1050 PSU. Very close the limit. It might be work though. Personally I use 1200 W PSUs for 3x S1.



13199  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [185 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: April 03, 2014, 10:29:05 PM
What's up with this bad luck?  5 days and no blocks!  Nothing this bad in the entire 90-day history on p2pool.info, and our hash rate is up.  I'm starting to lose it guys   Shocked Angry Shocked Angry Shocked

difficulty keeps increasing.  I think faster than the pool hash.  looks like people are bailing, so variance is going to get worse.  will make it easier to get shares though. Smiley

M

Actually we've been growing faster than difficulty for the past 1-2 months, and it hasn't increased yet this time (1-2 more days). Just bad luck is all there is to it. People bailing is likely true and unfortunate, but unavoidable.

13200  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [185 TH] p2pool: Decentralized, DoS-resistant, Hop-Proof pool on: April 03, 2014, 10:28:22 PM
It's my fault. I mentioned that the hash rate was up and we should expect fewer of these long rounds. I forgot the most important rule about luck which is you never talk about not having bad luck.
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