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1381  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: December 16, 2013, 06:55:33 AM
The GW Zoo. The World's Largest Tiger sanctuary open to the public needs our help. They were hit massively by the sudden temperature changes in the MidWest. I know the owner personally, it is a NPO and he would be interested in being set up to accept BTC.

This is another NPO that is hosting the Zoo's donation page for the recent tragedy
http://donateoklahoma.usza.us/ (United States Zoological Association)

Their home site is
http://www.gwzoo.org/   (Largest Tiger sanctuary in the world that is open to the public)

They Zoo's youtube has some great videos that have went viral
http://www.youtube.com/user/JoeExoticTV

Also I know they have a great relationship with Barcroft Media and them accepting BTC for entry and as donations will make international press which is good for the coin.

What can we do to get them set up?

Yes, please let him know that we would be glad to donate $1,000. The setup process is this:

1) Go to BitPay and sign up for an account (make sure to set up as a non-profit if they are)
2) Link and verify BitPay account to their own bank account
3) On BitPay dashboard, click "Accept Donations," fill out the few forms (like which URL to go to when done), and hit "Submit." This will generate HTML code to copy/paste
4) Copy/paste the provided HTML code into the donation page site.

That's it. BitPay makes the whole process ridiculously easy.
1382  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: December 16, 2013, 06:24:45 AM
Also, the Sri Lanka Campaign for Peace and Justice, a London-based NGO, just started to accept bitcoin (http://www.srilankacampaign.org/giveanonymously.htm) They actually started taking it a sort while ago, but forgot to tell us Tongue Does that disqualify them? (*looks at Phinneas*  Tongue)

No! They are fine! Endowment, I say.

They have added the option, http://www.srilankacampaign.org/giveanonymously.htm, and
They have been endowmented: https://blockchain.info/tx/414f6e58104b350941de9bb87d4db80707f9d2d423d7d66d5cfa47288dad8a1f
1383  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin 100: Developed Specifically for Non-Profits on: December 16, 2013, 05:56:53 AM
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From: Peter

Dmitry,

We're a 501(c)(3) secular non-profit based in the US.  We're considering implementing a BitCoin donation option.

If Bitcoin100's offer still stands, it would certainly help offset a bit of the implementation costs.

Would you let me know if we might be eligible?

You can learn more about us at http://thewaterproject.org

--

Peter Chasse
President & Founder

These guys passed, added a donation option (https://thewaterproject.org/donate.php has donate with bitcoin option on the right side)
and $1,000 Donation sent:
https://blockchain.info/tx/52febaf98250431a8b5caf5cf9ebbc38371516412d8c27441f024824f9daeed4
1384  Economy / Economics / Re: "Backing" - what does this actually MEAN? on: December 16, 2013, 04:08:23 AM
It simply HAS a backing is all I'm saying, their exists a structure that tries to guarantee a future exchange value, BTC doesn't have any kind of guarantee it just has an exchange market that can go to incredible extremes (bubbles or total collapse) with no brakes on it.  If their were even something like a group of people with large wealth that were publicly pledging they wouldn't let BTC drop below some floor price that would be a backing but we don't even have that.

Dollars don't have such a group of people, either. Both bitcoin and USD have wealthy people, who are essentially backers, who support the currency through various legal and technical means, but those wealthy people would not be stupid enough to start buying up a crashing currency just to prop up its price, if they see it doesn't have a future. So each currency's future, and thus true backing, comes right back to how much you trust the system that's managing it.

By the way, gold has massive use value as an insulator of magnetic fields, insulating them in the same way that plastic can insulate electric fields in a wire? If you were to insulate a magnetic material with gold, it essentially forces the magnetism of that material to stay compressed inside that material, instead of escaping into the surroundings, and causes that material to become super magnetized, similar to a superconductor. But at room temperature. Uses could be frictionless bearings and magnetic levitation. But with society so hellbent on using gold as a store of value, and jacking up its price to many times its industrial value, I guess we will have to forego that technology for a while.
1385  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 16, 2013, 03:25:27 AM
You don't know what the next sector will be, so there is no way you can definitively say that there is no 4th sector to move into.
It is clear that only one candidate for the 4th sector is fundamental science (nuclear fusion, planet colonization, relativistic-speed travel etc). But these mega-projects could take centuries to be completed and have uncertain ħROI at all, therefore unlikely they will appear in countries with free-market capitalism.

I would guess the 4th sector is designing stuff in 3D cad software for people to 3D print, such as tinkering with mechanics of some printable machines, our customizing existing designs to each individual's preferences.
1386  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 15, 2013, 10:20:50 PM
You are basically claiming that a tractor or a machine replacing 25 farmers or factory workers with 1 is not a problem, but a computer replacing 25 tractor drivers with 1 computer operator is. I don't buy it.
Already broke this argument.
Farmers replaced with tractors moved to industrial sector, industrial workers replaced with CNC machinery were dumped to the services sector. But now there are simply no 4th sector to move in.

There was no such thing as industrial sector when farmers were around. There was no such thing as a white collar service sector, or IT sector, when CNC machinery was introduced. You don't know what the next sector will be, so there is no way you can definitively say that there is no 4th sector to move into.
1387  Other / Politics & Society / Re: the social Bitcoin on: December 15, 2013, 06:33:45 PM
Slavors where the victoms in slavory.

Slaves had no choice in what they worked on, whom they worked for, and what they got in return. Workers can change careers, change employers, and negotiate pay. The two are incomparable. The only thing workers can complain about is not being paid fairly, but fairness is subjective, while pay is a function of supply and demand. If they want to get paid more, they need to supply something that's in higher demand.

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n which case it's the wealthy business types that will rise up, take their wealth, and move elsewhere?


would be nice, let them take all their wealth and go to Mars. would give the humanity another chance. and this time we install an antivirus

So, what will you do if your employer left, the store you by things from closed and left, and all the things your government provides you with had to be paid with your own taxes? Would you be able to run your company, manage the supply chain that your store uses to stock it's shelves, and make millions to pay for those tax provided services? I would guess no, because otherwise you would have already been running your company or your own store, and would have already been making millions.

What is it that you actually contribute to the world, that you believe will be enough to keep your world going without those running the businesses you deal with?
1388  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 15, 2013, 06:24:09 PM
Like computer and software progress which is new.

We had computers since the 30's (before even), and software since the 60's. We also had factory automation since at least the middle of the last century, since you don't need computers automate factory assembly lines. Just needs some extra gears and switches. So this whole automation thing has been going on for most of the last 100 years. You are basically claiming that a tractor or a machine replacing 25 farmers or factory workers with 1 is not a problem, but a computer replacing 25 tractor drivers with 1 computer operator is. I don't buy it.
1389  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: will the bitcoin reach $1000 one day...? on: December 15, 2013, 06:16:32 PM
"Hey guys, maybe bitcoins will just crash and become absolutely worthless."

Not too much of that anymore.

I doubt, I would be more worried about Bitcoin if all alt coins crashed first, it would be warning sign for Bitcoin

Not really. Betamax and Laserdiscs crashed, and it didn't harm VHS. Alt coin crash could just as well be a sign of bitcoin's superiority.
1390  Economy / Economics / Re: "Backing" - what does this actually MEAN? on: December 15, 2013, 06:42:07 AM
a dollar is a bearer bond that can extinguish a Dollar of DEBT, debt in the form of taxation is a big part of that, but also legal tender laws mean ANY private debt can also be extinguished by the dollar.  So the dollar is the universal extinguisher of all debts in the U.S. and that is it's backing.

I've argue in other threads that the BTC computer network or even the cryptographic code of BTC dose not constitute backing for BTC, because it dose not establish any price or valuation for BTCs.

But being a universal extinguisher of all debts does not establish any price or valuation for USD either. Nothing that's backed by anything else does, because all price is arbitrary. A gold-backed currency could be backed by an ounce of gold, or a gram of gold, and could be numbered 1, or 5, or anything else. Likewise, the government backing, or the extinguishing of debt backing, could back a dollar that can buy you a burger, or a dollar that you would need 1,000 of to buy a burger, and the mechanism would be the same. So backing isn't even "propping up."

Personally, I see backing as an IOU - a liability - where the thing that is backed has a promise from someone else that they will give you something in return. A gold backed currency is just an IOU with a promise to exchange it for some arbitrary amount of gold, and a government backed currency is just a promise that the government will forgive your debts if you exchange it with them. This is why non-backed things, like land, oil, gold, or bitcoin is so much more powerful - there is no one that needs to make you any promises. The land will let you build on, the oil will burn, the gold will be yellow, shiny, and highly conductive, and the bitcoin will work on the blockchain, without anyone promising or allowing it to happen.
1391  Economy / Economics / Re: The Coming Global Wealth Tax on: December 15, 2013, 06:26:07 AM
Right now probably 40% are against Putin and can't do much about it.
They are not so desperate yet to risk their lives. Don't forget about the perks Putin gives to some part of population (military, police, useless bureaucracy) to buy their loyalty.

Don't forget that the 10% with BTC will be the ones with enough money to give anonymous perks to the politicians that run this place.
1392  Other / Politics & Society / Re: the social Bitcoin on: December 15, 2013, 06:23:28 AM
There are two types of people..The Oppressors and the Oppressed..When the Oppressed wake up and say they have had enough then many different types of economic systems will come to the Fore so then nothing will really matter.

The question is who is who? Are the workers the oppressed, and the businesses and corporations the oppressors, in which case the workers will rise up, take control, and relieve the wealthy business owners of their wealth, as happened in communist revolutions during the last century?
Or are the business people and entrepreneurs the oppressed, and the workers the oppressors, feeling that it is unfair that some people have much and they have little, and using the power of government to regulate and take from those business people and entrepreneurs, in which case it's the wealthy business types that will rise up, take their wealth, and move elsewhere? This wasn't really possible with wealth being stored in banks, since that wealth could just be frozen and confiscated by governments, but it's possible now...
1393  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 15, 2013, 06:05:01 AM
There is a plan to develop a model city that proves the fundamental designs of an rbe, but without popular support, it will likely not be built in time.

I bet I can guess what this plan is short on, and needs, to be completed!  Wink
1394  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 15, 2013, 06:02:27 AM
As every magician knows, "Money" is probably the most powerful spell ever cast. Whoever invented it, whether he (or she) realized it or not, thereby made himself (or herself) one of the most potent magicians in history.  Along with all the other magicians who cast it, in whatever places and at whatever times they did.

Like most magic, It is an idea.  Nothing more than that.  It happens purely inside people's heads, with absolutely no basis in physics or the world.   But its existence provides an organizing principle for all resource allocation, trade, and economics.   And therefore an organizing principle for many people's lives and a telling influence on all lives that have any contact with it.

What if instead of thinking of money as an idea - basically a mass delusion where we think there is value in something that doesn't actually have value - you think of money as a contract of an IOU, given to you by the whole world in return for giving something to the world. I give the world an hour of my labor, and thus make the world better off. In return, the world gives me an IOU that I am able to call back to get something else. And the more I contribute to the world, the more IOUs the world gives me. Does that change the magic idea any?
1395  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 15, 2013, 05:53:14 AM
Capitalism isn't dying you guys. It's still good! It's still good!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guSdjsctrUQ

TWO hours now, instead of one and a half!? No thank you!

Can we at least get a summary? Or is it more lists of how the government fucked everyone over, and calling it capitalism because the government isn't full-on communist?
1396  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 15, 2013, 05:50:16 AM
Who holds the authority in a capitalist society? If you're intellectually honest, it's the monied interests that use capitalism to exploit and destroy the community and environment in order to make profits.

Because the way capitalists businesses make profits is by using guns to threaten people and take their money and resources. Profits have nothing to do with actually working to earn people's money.
1397  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: December 15, 2013, 05:47:29 AM
I guess in your view it's a choice between structural violence and authoritarian physical violence, and you prefer the authoritarian physical violence?

Oh no! You have trapped me in a false dilemma! What am I to do?! I can only agree with either terrible option...

But wait! I can think of another choice! What about a system that doesn't require violence, in which all human needs are provided for and the mindless drive to pointless competition and dominance is not focused on but instead avoided. Let's do that instead! What do you think?

I have a better system, where everyone has $10 million dollars, and can buy everything they might ever need. That way no one will ever need to work or starve, because everyone will be rich.
What do you think?
1398  Economy / Economics / Re: Technological unemployment is (almost) here on: December 15, 2013, 05:38:46 AM
Or perhaps it is about there being extenuating circumstances for the extreme downturn in US participation rate - fair enough, you'd be right. But you can't deny that at least recently, jobs that disappear form the system have not come back - perhaps we have entered an era of 'ratcheting down' of jobs.

That was my point, that the jobs disappearing and not coming back is a recent phenomenon, while technological progress is not. This suggests that something other than the increase in technological development is causing this drop.

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Your comments about women in the workforce in eg USSR in the early 20th century are a red herring.

It was a response to the claim that the only reason we had a growth in labor since the 50s was due to women entering the workforce. In America, maybe, but they were already working in other countries.
1399  Economy / Economics / Re: The Coming Global Wealth Tax on: December 14, 2013, 11:12:50 PM
They waterboard you (or put you in "the hole" in maximum security prison like they did to Martin Armstrong) until you give up your passwords.

You know that as long as they don't have your password, you still have your money, so they will just continue to waste their time and money on you, and it will be waiting they're for you or your family when you get out. Or you program your money to be on a dead man's switch, with a delayed transaction that sends it to a trusted friend or family member if you don't create a new transaction, this voiding the old one, every month. Or you bite off your tongue, choke on your own blood, and no one gets anything.

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And they make it clear that anyone that receives your coins in payment is going to receive the same treatment, thus your coins become unspendable.

Or whoever receives it sends it through a bitcoin mixer or CoinJoin, and the coins they end up with are no longer linked to be, and are spread among a dozen or more other random unknown people.

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Without anonymity, you have nothing.

It's a good thing bitcoin has it then. You just have to work a little to get it.
1400  Bitcoin / Meetups / Re: announcement: the international "when-bitcoin-reaches 1000,- $ party" on: December 14, 2013, 02:09:09 AM
To save money on lodging, we should just have a giant slumber party. We can gossip, try on makeup, and compare our moobs (man boobs).
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