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141  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitconeeeeeext - next Bitconnect (Scam Warning) on: June 04, 2018, 12:03:25 PM
Not that this will be a surprise to anybody.

Claims to be a company incorporated in Cyprus, no record found:

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142  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! on: May 22, 2018, 08:09:42 AM
was voted Time’s Man of the Year in 2006."
Umm, to be honest I was surprised you even referenced this in the article as I thought everybody already knew that year's award essentially results in everyone being able to claim they were 'awarded' the title.


1. Is it possible one of Jawad's family members has a spouse that is authorized to live in the barracks?
The whole family is listed on the voters roll as being registered to that address a few years back, that wouldn't be possible if it was simply the home of a spouse.

2. I can't seem to find the source for the frequently-cited "millions and millions of pounds" audio clip. It seems to be no longer available.

https://clyp.it/h1nan1uz

Is there another source for it?
Either the link expired or it was taken down by Ish. You'd need to ask him to post it up again I think. A bunch of us in this thread listened to it, though, as you can see there are a number of posts made directly quoting from it. Jawad absolutely did exclaim in it "I have literally got millions of pounds, more money than I have ever had in my entire life!", referencing the funds received from the crowdsale.

Ok, I've gone through the whole recording and Jawad basically spends the entire time after instructing Ish to tell Nick from Vanbex to go fuck himself about his 3btc crowdsale investment, complaining about Ish having gone away for two weeks without telling him and repeatedly slagging Vanbex off for "fucking us over".

Ish, why does he feel Vanbex screwed him over?

Because I bet this article of theirs http://www.econotimes.com/Razorminds-DeOS-Crowdsale-Raises-US-$19M-in-Bitcoin-241414 helped him collect a lot more than the six thousand dollars they were being paid.

This:
JAWAD 38:55 : "I have literally got millions of pounds, more money than I have ever had in my entire life. [sound abruptly cuts at this point to Jawad then talking about how Ishmail wasn't around when he needed to get advice from him]"

Pretty much is what we suspected all along, that Jawad considers that 'crowdsale' (ICO) money as his.

Also, going back to the beginning of the call, at 4:50 Ish ask if Phil (Sturgeon) is going to be coming into the office and Jawad answers in a somewhat dismissive way, "Yes, he will, so will [Adams?] and all the others. . .just . . ." but then redirects the focus to something he's doing on his desktop, "Let me just check this thing, tokens are going out . . ."

It is almost as though he doesn't want the topic of the discussion to remain on the issue of Phil and others coming into 'the office'. Listen for yourself, you'll see what I mean.

To prospect for funds under a false premise
And then attempt to launder those proceeds
through cash are serious offences and as
it amounts to several million USD in value
It is likely to be dealt with by the Serious Fraud Office.

Correct, this bullshit 'it was a crowdsale not an ICO' excuse doesn't cover for the fact that people would have bought into this 'crowdsale' under the impression that Razormind was a substantial operation with hundreds of staff and offices all over the world and that DeOS was already a legitimate platform with 27,000 active users. As he intended through his intentionally fraudulent website and interviews.

That it netted him several million dollars in bitcoin elevates it to an SFO-level response at the very least.



143  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [RED FLAGS] Centra Tech - The Floyd Mayweather promoted 'Crypto debit card' ICO on: May 17, 2018, 08:16:05 AM
Just to update this thread with some more news on the arrest and detention of the three main scammers:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-crypto-currencies-centratech-indictme/u-s-says-centra-tech-co-founders-indicted-for-cryptocurrency-fraud-idUSKCN1IF32O

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NEW YORK (Reuters) - U.S. prosecutors on Monday announced the indictment of three co-founders of a cryptocurrency start-up once promoted by the boxer Floyd Mayweather, accusing them of fraudulently raising more than $25 million from investors in an initial coin offering.

Sohrab “Sam” Sharma, Robert Farkas and Raymond Trapani, who co-founded Centra Tech Inc, were each charged with securities fraud, wire fraud and two conspiracy counts, according to an indictment filed with the U.S. District Court in Manhattan.

Prosecutors said the defendants, who live in Florida, misled investors in Centra tokens that they had formed partnerships with Visa Inc (V.N), MasterCard Inc (MA.N) and Delaware-based The Bancorp Inc (TBBK.O) to issue debit cards, lied about having money transmitter licenses and created a fictitious chief executive officer.

Lawyers for the three defendants could not be immediately reached for comment.

The three men were arrested last month and the FBI seized 91,000 “Ether units” consisting of digital funds currently worth $60 million, according to a release announcing the indictment.

Authorities around the world have attempted to rein in the global boom in trading cryptocurrencies - a form of digital money created and maintained by its users.

“As alleged, the defendants conspired to capitalize on investor interest in the burgeoning cryptocurrency market,”

Deputy U.S. Attorney Robert Khuzami said in the release. “Whether traditional or cutting-edge, investment vehicles can’t legally be peddled with falsehoods and lies.”
144  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! on: May 05, 2018, 02:22:22 PM
Oh he's not that far underground. He can't help himself but be drawn back to social media to post something deep and meaningful, about himself.
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He saved lives, dontchaknow?! I wonder if that was before or after he defrauded people out of millions of dollars-worth of bitcoin?

145  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! on: April 30, 2018, 10:18:42 AM
Thanks, guys.

Frankly, I'd be more interested in this story making it to mainstream media so we might find out wtf the connection to Jawad and MI5 is/was. He and his family definitely resided on the British intelligence services' high-security Palace Barracks in Northern Ireland for a period of time, which is not exactly a normal state of affairs.

I've tried tipping off some news sites about the fascinating elements of this case, in the hope a journalist would want to take it forward but there's been no response/interest.
146  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! on: April 05, 2018, 07:28:26 AM
Update on police action:

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This e-mail has been marked OFFICIAL [PUBLIC];

Dear Sir,

In relation to the case a report was forwarded to legal advisors which outlined the facts that were known about the case and they took the view that the chances of a successful prosecution were slim to none as the company was still operating and at that point we would be unable to prove that Razormind was not going to produce the platform as advertised.

Things have now taken a turn and we are now in a position to say that the company was set-up solely to commit fraud.  I have also been in conversation with HMRC (Tax men) who have requested that I identify any assets connected to Jawad to allow them to make a further move on him.

Unfortunately  I have to also inform you that even if we get him prosecuted the chances of the recovery of any of his victims finances will be very difficult at best with a high possibility that none will be recovered.

In order to put a full interview in place I am emailing you to ask if you would make a full Statement of evidence in relation you involvement with the company.

Unfortunately I require a hard copy signed by yourself.  This is required by our court system.  I also need to ask if you are willing to attend Court in the event that this case would go to a full trial. (This is all dependant on the defendants plea).

A statement can be made either by you attending your local Police Station and getting them to record a statement and posting a copy to me or recording a statement yourself on the documents I have attached. (It would be best if you send me a draft version via email first in order that it can be reviewed to ensure we have all the relevant points required)

I have included both formats of the statement form for you as I was unsure whether you wanted to type or hand write the statement. Please email me a copy before you post the original so that I can review it to be sure we cover all the points.

Please commence the statement by introducing yourself and giving detail of your profession.  DO NOT GIVE DETAIL OF YOUR ADDRESS.  Just state the you live at an address known to Police.  Do not paragraph or leave gaps. Also complete the witness detail form.

In the main body of the statement would you be so kind as to give detail to cover the following.

1.    How did you become aware of the existence of Razormind and what lead you to deal with this company.

2.    Detail of the product and its function you were hoping to purchase from this company.

3.    The choices given to you as method of payment. Include details in relation to transfer of funds, include details of wallet numbers. Please include total amount paid to Razormind.(This is essential to show the transfer of funds from your wallet to his.)
 
4.    If possible please include detail of any conversation with the company and with whom.

5.    Details of any agreement that you entered into with Razormind.

6.    A copy of the end user agreement in relation to the product.

7.    Detail in relation to what product if any you have received.

8.    Detail of any subsequent conversation or correspondence with Razormind in relation to you investing with the company. Include the result of any questions you asked.

9.     Please provide any email correspondence that was made between you and Razormind and refer to it in your statement. (Important to show what contact there was with Razormind).

Please email me a draft for review before committing to a full statement, this way we can be sure we have all points covered.

I know that is not ideal but probably the best we can do.

Any problems please do not hesitate to contact me.

 
Kind regards

Wm. Robinson
Economic Crime Unit
Southern Area
Police Service Northern Ireland
Detective Constable
P017871
Tel 101 Ext 40662
DD 02882256662

Anyone who has yet to file a criminal complaint about their stolen funds can contact DC Robinson directly to provide him with the relevant information. DM me if you need his email address as I didn't want to post it up in open forum.

147  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [RED FLAGS] Centra Tech - The Floyd Mayweather promoted 'Crypto debit card' ICO on: April 03, 2018, 07:12:00 AM
Colour me unsurprised:
https://www.sec.gov/news/press-release/2018-53
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SEC Halts Fraudulent Scheme Involving Unregistered ICO

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
2018-53

Washington D.C., April 2, 2018 —

The Securities and Exchange Commission today charged two co-founders of a purported financial services start-up with orchestrating a fraudulent initial coin offering (ICO) that raised more than $32 million from thousands of investors last year.  Criminal authorities separately charged and arrested both defendants.   

The SEC's complaint alleges that Sohrab “Sam”¯ Sharma and Robert Farkas, co-founders of Centra Tech. Inc., masterminded a fraudulent ICO in which Centra offered and sold unregistered investments through a "CTR Token."¯  Sharma and Farkas allegedly claimed that funds raised in the ICO would help build a suite of financial products.  They claimed, for example, to offer a debit card backed by Visa and MasterCard that would allow users to instantly convert hard-to-spend cryptocurrencies into U.S. dollars or other legal tender.  In reality, the SEC alleges, Centra had no relationships with Visa or MasterCard.  The SEC also alleges that to promote the ICO, Sharma and Farkas created fictional executives with impressive biographies, posted false or misleading marketing materials to Centra’s website, and paid celebrities to tout the ICO on social media. 

According to the complaint, Farkas made flight reservations to leave the country, but was arrested before he was able to board his flight.  Criminal authorities also arrested Sharma. 

"We allege that Centra sold investors on the promise of new digital technologies by using a sophisticated marketing campaign to spin a web of lies about their supposed partnerships with legitimate businesses,” said Stephanie Avakian, Co-Director of the SEC's Division of Enforcement.  “As the complaint alleges, these and other claims were simply false."

"As we allege, the defendants relied heavily on celebrity endorsements and social media to market their scheme,”¯ said Steve Peikin, Co-Director of the SEC's Division of Enforcement.  “Endorsements and glossy marketing materials are no substitute for the SEC’s registration and disclosure requirements as well as diligence by investors.”

The SEC’s complaint, filed in federal court in the Southern District of New York, charges Sharma and Farkas with violating the anti-fraud and registration provisions of the federal securities laws.  The complaint seeks permanent injunctions, return of allegedly ill-gotten gains plus interest and penalties, as well as bars against Sharma and Farkas serving as public company officers or directors and from participating in any offering of digital or other securities.  In a parallel action, the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York today announced criminal charges against Sharma and Farkas. 

The SEC's investigation, which is continuing, is being conducted by Jon A. Daniels, Luke M. Fitzgerald, and Alison R. Levine of the SEC's Cyber Unit and New York Regional Office, and supervised by Valerie A. Szczepanik and Robert A. Cohen.  The litigation is being conducted by Mr. Daniels, Mr. Fitzgerald, and Ms. Levine, and supervised by Ms. Szczepanik.  The SEC appreciates the assistance of the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the Financial Industry Regulatory Authority.

Investors in the Centra ICO who believe they may be a victim should contact www.SEC.gov/tcr.  The SEC's Office of Investor Education and Advocacy has issued an Investor Bulletin on initial coin offerings and additional information is available on Investor.gov and SEC.gov.
148  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: ShogDite / Let it ride ICO Scam on: March 05, 2018, 07:31:51 AM
Any interested parties may also wish to consider this little terse exchange with the Chronobank ICO, too:

Chronobank. Where is my money?Huh?? I did what you asked and lived up to my part of the deal. Now it's time for you to pay up or im going to bring a shit storm on your head.
The clock is ticking.



Now you guys get all quiet and have no more answers. Probably running and hiding in a hole somewhere. Give me my btc or the shits going to fuck up royally for you and your ico.
You cant take my btc and my peoples btc and then run, who do you think you are?


Chronobank. Where is my money?Huh?? I did what you asked and lived up to my part of the deal. Now it's time for you to pay up or im going to bring a shit storm on your head.
The clock is ticking.


Hey,

We'd be happy to help you if you have any issues. However, could you be a little bit more specific, please?

Yeah, your fucking boss asked me to put in btc and told me I could have them back on the 15th. I've been emailing and messaging him since the 15th and he's ignoring me.

I WANT MY FUCKING BTC BACK NOW! 375 BTC ARE OWED TO ME FROM YOUR BOSS


ICOs being used to launder illicit Bitcoin while benefiting from padding out their numbers to raise FOMO levels? Colour me unsurprised.
149  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Vircurex does not allow for ANY withdrawals at the moment. on: February 21, 2018, 05:21:39 PM
Just to update anybody who is still waiting on this absurd process Vircurex claim to be using to pay people back the funds they 'froze', albeit nobody can verify these supposed repayments:

https://vircurex.com/main/index
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2018-02-13: 1.25 BTC and 37 LTC returned to frozen fund holders
The profit of 1.25 BTC and 37 LTC from Q4 2017 have been distributed to users with frozen funds. We have applied the same logic as in the past. Half the funds are distributed to users with the largest frozen funds and half to the users with the least amount of frozen funds. If you still have frozen funds, please bear with us. We will distribute all Vircurex profits every quarter.

2018-01-25: All TRC frozen funds have been returned
With the profits we made last year, we have acquired the remaining TRC needed to return all previously frozen TRC funds.

2018-01-05: Hanging TRC withdrawals credited back
An account audit of the TRC withdrawals of 2017 have identified various withdrawals that did not make it into the blockchain. We have cancelled those withdrawals and credited the funds back into your account.

2018-01-02: TRC wallet online again
Terracoin wallet is online again, we have received various inquiries about failed withdrawals in the past weeks. We are performing an audit on all wallet transactions and will credit back TRC funds into your account if the withdrawal did not make it into the blockchain.

2018-01-01: Delisting USD and EUR
As of 2018 we do not offer USD or EUR related trades. All EUR and USD balances will be converted in the coming days to BTC at a rate of BTC/USD=12500 and BTC/EUR=10750.


150  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! on: January 15, 2018, 02:59:42 PM
Except it is a fake address because there is no company there.
Fake address for fake company.

Technically it was the Registered Office address for the company and the service address for Jawad for a period of time, so it isn't fake, per se, so much as it is not valid because the registered company has been struck off.

Maybe his friend in New York, James Ferguson, might know where Jawad is? He was listed on their website as being an IT guy but he's actually a practising medical doctor:
https://www.razormind.co.uk/experts
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James Ferguson
A native New Yorker, he’s been creating web apps from scratch for decades, and operates a diverse set of teams delivering high-traffic Facebook and Twitter properties for Razormind clients. Key skills are user engagement and building effective brands - often using new A.I. tech from Razor Labs. Fluent in both English and Spanish, James was recently in Haiti and Honduras providing medical aid and humanitarian relief. He manages Network business across the US and and works closely with government and health sectors. 

He posts daily under the twitter handle 'SulaymanF' https://twitter.com/SulaymanF

I'd ask but he blocked me way back when I first started enquiring about whether he was aware that he was being promoted as an IT specialist on the Razormind site during the ICO, so I assume he had full knowledge of what Jawad was up to.

151  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: DeOS (by Razormind) is most likely a scam! EDIT: Ongoing investigation!!! on: January 15, 2018, 12:44:14 PM
Nominet did indeed uncover razormind.co.uk whois information and just as I suspected it is the same fake address used before:


    Registrant's address:
        55 Clive Road
        Holywood
        Greater London
        BT18 9RE
        United Kingdom



FYI, that's not a fake address. It is the actual address his family are known to have lived at and is INSIDE the gated and secured barracks of MI5's Northern Ireland HQ.

Yes, inside.

152  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: December 19, 2017, 07:46:52 AM
Instant Real Time, BitPay for example is a load feature, Centra is a instant feature, where it takes market rate at the moment of the swipe.

That does not explain Robert's contradictory answers so I'd like him to respond.

He initially confirmed that the cryptocurrency 'selection' process from the user's mobile wallet locked in a cash value against the balance held in that cryptocurrency,

Quote from: cryptodevil
The whole point of this service was that users would be able to store the cryptocurrency safely and for the transaction to deduct the equivalent amount only as and when card expenditure is triggered, but this 'selection' process you describe can only be for the purpose of setting a fixed cash value, which means there is no benefit over existing cryptocurrency card services.

- That is correct, and that is how the system works.

only to then later assert that it was during the transaction at the card terminal which set the exchange rate in real-time.

When you, as the user, makes a swipe/online transaction, at that instant moment we are giving you a market exchange rate to fiat conversion that allows the charge to be approved. We also have a formula to configure slippage as we use numerous exchanges connected to CCE via APIs to always perform the safest/closest transaction exchange.

@CentraTech Robert:

So which is it? Does the 'selection' process fix the rate to be whatever Centra is offering until the cryptocurrency is 'deselected' by the user, or does it provide for a real-time exchange rate at the time of the transaction?


If it is, as @dashingriddler claims, the latter, why did you confirm that in-wallet coin 'selection' assigns a cash value to the balance at the time it is set by the user?

153  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: LUST ICO is a scam. on: December 19, 2017, 07:23:09 AM
Well I logged in today after not being on here for while to see my account flagged untrusted, (which really blows)  and also I see something bout this lust ico..i do not and would not support this.

Needless to say I changed my password but now this accountnis forever scarred with the posts of that piece of shit.

Wish this forum had 2fa but then again it's most likely my fault not making my pass word 60 characters .


Sigh


-veebee

Can you sign a previously posted address to prove you are the original owner?

It's just that the reason these accounts were readily identifiable as having likely been bought/hacked at the time is that they had been dormant for a long period and were marked as having recently changed their password. So it kinda raises the question as to how you, as the original owner, would have logged back in to an account which had had its password changed without your knowledge.

154  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: December 17, 2017, 08:34:41 AM
@CentraTech Robert, you have still not answered to this post.

When the user swipes their card, our application checks the "active" asset selected and if the user balance in that asset, for example bitcoin, is greater or equal to the transaction, the card instantly will be credited the amount from our Mastercard Settlement Account held with the issuing bank to pay the transaction (Real-Time Loading + External Authorization Method), and then deducted from our "active" selected asset.

This would require that the payment process interact with your application somehow, I genuinely do not see where this is taking place in the transaction flow. I'm going to have to assume that the issuing bank is offering a service whereby its systems provides for that prior to the authorisation message.

In any event, my concern is regarding the exchange rate being fixed prior to the transaction by way of the user 'selecting' it in the app, as opposed to a real-time rate, and is both confirmed by you,

Quote from: cryptodevil
The whole point of this service was that users would be able to store the cryptocurrency safely and for the transaction to deduct the equivalent amount only as and when card expenditure is triggered, but this 'selection' process you describe can only be for the purpose of setting a fixed cash value, which means there is no benefit over existing cryptocurrency card services.

- That is correct, and that is how the system works.

...and then contradicted

When you, as the user, makes a swipe/online transaction, at that instant moment we are giving you a market exchange rate to fiat conversion that allows the charge to be approved. We also have a formula to configure slippage as we use numerous exchanges connected to CCE via APIs to always perform the safest/closest transaction exchange.

So which is it? Does the 'selection' process fix the rate to be whatever Centra is offering until the cryptocurrency is 'deselected' by the user, or does it provide for a real-time exchange rate at the time of the transaction?



Because the answer to the question I have highlighted at the end concerns the entire premise of your product and the claims made during its ICO.

155  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: November 27, 2017, 08:19:13 AM
When the user swipes their card, our application checks the "active" asset selected and if the user balance in that asset, for example bitcoin, is greater or equal to the transaction, the card instantly will be credited the amount from our Mastercard Settlement Account held with the issuing bank to pay the transaction (Real-Time Loading + External Authorization Method), and then deducted from our "active" selected asset.

This would require that the payment process interact with your application somehow, I genuinely do not see where this is taking place in the transaction flow. I'm going to have to assume that the issuing bank is offering a service whereby its systems provides for that prior to the authorisation message.

In any event, my concern is regarding the exchange rate being fixed prior to the transaction by way of the user 'selecting' it in the app, as opposed to a real-time rate, and is both confirmed by you,

Quote from: cryptodevil
The whole point of this service was that users would be able to store the cryptocurrency safely and for the transaction to deduct the equivalent amount only as and when card expenditure is triggered, but this 'selection' process you describe can only be for the purpose of setting a fixed cash value, which means there is no benefit over existing cryptocurrency card services.

- That is correct, and that is how the system works.

...and then contradicted

When you, as the user, makes a swipe/online transaction, at that instant moment we are giving you a market exchange rate to fiat conversion that allows the charge to be approved. We also have a formula to configure slippage as we use numerous exchanges connected to CCE via APIs to always perform the safest/closest transaction exchange.

So which is it? Does the 'selection' process fix the rate to be whatever Centra is offering until the cryptocurrency is 'deselected' by the user, or does it provide for a real-time exchange rate at the time of the transaction?


156  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: November 24, 2017, 09:04:35 AM
They just run the program through the issuing bank whom facilitates all of the charges that get approved/declined by the card issuer in this case Mastercard.
That is my point, the fact this is a prepaid card and not a debit card indicates that funds will have to be loaded onto the card prior to any transaction being attempted. The bank's computer system will only send an authorisation code in a true/false process which either approves or declines the transaction. There is not a 'hold on while we transfer the funds into this account so we can issue an approval code for this transaction' stage.

If the cards were debit cards, linked to a a checking/current-style account then it might be feasible by way of the bank agreeing to pre-authorised overdraft facilities, guaranteed by Centra's own funds, which would allow for their system to trigger an authorisation code and subsequent back-office exchange/credit transaction after-the-fact in order to cover for the amount debited. But these are not debit cards, they are prepaid cards, for which funds HAVE to be deposited in the cardholder account prior to the transaction, otherwise the transaction will be declined at the point of sale terminal.

Also I have personally seen the patent application and form. If you want to contact me present your ID and sign an NDA I'm sure they can show you too to prove you wrong.
Yeah you guys keep trying that routine of "Send us your ID first and then we'll prove we're not deceiving you". So you've personally seen the application form? Has it been filed? What is the application number?

There's no good reason for you to withhold the application number if it has been filed.

Exactly, we just have a FUD master in this thread, I choose not to delete his topics this time because they had relevance but his tone makes sense on the direction he is leading.
My tone? In my experience, whenever a person being asked reasonable questions about the claims they are making tries to complain about the tone of the question, or starts throwing around accusations of 'FUD', it has always been because they are guilty of deceit and want to avoid answering to questions which will expose their dishonesty. So your behaviour is not exactly encouraging.

There is no "load" feature when they use the wallet to use their card, just select the asset your using and let CCE do the rest.

It's very simple:

Deposit Crypto

Select Asset

Open or Close app it's up to you the asset selected remains active until switched.

If your balance = greater than the charge on the active asset = approved
If your balance = less than the charge of the active asset = declined

As I already pointed out, with these cards being prepaid, the only way for the issuing bank's system to respond with an approval code is for the funds to already have been credited. So the above description of the process would have to have sold the 'selected' cryptocurrency to Centra at whatever price dictated by Centra in order for the funds to be credited into the prepaid card account, prior to the transaction.

Unspent card balances might well be displayed in the 'selected' cryptocurrency amount, but if the user wanted to transfer that cryptocurrency back out of the system then there will need to be a purchase transaction made through the card, obviously via a wallet-based online purchase transaction for the equivalent value, because that cryptocurrency amount would actually have been sold to Centra already and needs to be bought back in order to deduct the cash value from the prepaid card account and allow the cryptocurrency to be transferred back to the user's control.

This is a major problem with that model:
The process of 'selecting' the cryptocurrency has to enforce a fixed cash value at time of selection which the user has to agree to otherwise Centra are going to have massive exposure to volatile market price changes.

This isn't real-time exchange at the point of purchase for the user. It is a way to simulate a real-time deduction of cryptocurrency balance when the fact is that the cryptocurrency 'selection' process has already sold the coins to Centra even if they are being represented as still being an active balance for the user.

The whole point of this service was that users would be able to store the cryptocurrency safely and for the transaction to deduct the equivalent amount only as and when card expenditure is triggered, but this 'selection' process you describe can only be for the purpose of setting a fixed cash value, which means there is no benefit over existing cryptocurrency card services.


157  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: November 23, 2017, 02:47:05 PM

Is the Centra Card a debit or a prepaid card?

It's a prepaid card

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I find it rather suspect that Robert Farkas has chosen to blank out the information at the footer of the page which would show who the issuing bank is. There isn't any personal information in that footer, only the usual boilerplate concerning the bank which is issuing these Mastercards. Why would he hide that information?
158  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: November 23, 2017, 08:39:51 AM
Centra Tech are not a bank. They are issuing these Mastercard prepaid debit cards as a reseller, not as the entity which actually holds the funds for the cards. The card accounts are held by Mastercard and when the card is used for a transaction the card-reader pings to the Mastercard account with the intended amount to be debited for that card to verify that the required funds are available.

Centra Tech's 'App' appears to simply allow the user to sell their cryptocurrency to Centra at a rate determined by Centra, in order for Centra's own fiat funds to then credit that user's Mastercard account in a regular electronic bank transfer process. Centra would no-doubt be 'buying' the crypto at a below-market price and selling it on an open exchange for a not-less-than-the-purchase price as soon as possible following the purchase from the user, I figure.

The limits of the 'real time' speed of Centra's bank being instructed to make a payment to a particular Mastercard account and for that prepaid card account to then register the credit as being available for a transaction to complete isn't even the major hurdle here, it is the fact that they would need the card-reader process to trigger the credit from Centra's account to the user's Mastercard account in the first place.

That isn't going to happen with a Mastercard pre-paid debit card. The card-reader process will ONLY ping the card account for availability of funds in order to approve the purchase, which means the credit has to be there BEFORE the transaction commences.



You don't work for banking, you have no clue what your talking about. Please go look at how a REAL Authorization flow chart looks and you'll see how you got that one wrong.

So the card accounts are held by the issuing bank, not Mastercard, that still doesn't change anything. Would you care to explain at which point in the below REAL Authorisation flow chart something other than pinging the issuing bank's card account for availability of required funds is happening.
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I for one have sat in on one of the phone conferences with the company and heard how the model works and it makes all the sense in the world that is why they actually FILED For patent for it as the CCE didn't exist  before. Only time will show you wrong Smiley . But your too busy policing cryptos to know that.

So I point out a major flaw in the proposed real-time automatic process of crediting the card accounts with the transaction amount due to these card being prepaid debit cards and your response is to basically go, "Nuh uhh!" and to make a snide dig about my activities on this forum? That's not a rebuttal.

What's the patent application file number?

159  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: November 22, 2017, 09:52:33 AM
A prepaid card, not a real-time debit card?

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Wasn't this project's entire thing about it being a debit card?

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Isn't the whole premise surrounding the supposedly innovative 'CCE module' that it converts cryptocurrency to cash in real time as the transaction is being made in-store?

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Otherwise, if all you're offering is a pre-paid card which has to be credited with cash prior to use, then you're really only offering a back-end exchange service with withdrawal of fiat to the card balance account which isn't at all the ground-breaking 'real time' conversion/spending claimed.



Their will be standard PIN to use just like a typical debit card. Your assets are always stored as cryptocurrency. The way CCE works is through its patent-pending technology which when the user swipes it'll convert it into real time fiat to approve the charge and deduct your cryptocurrency as the result of the purchase.

I think you don't quite understand the logistics of what actually happens with these prepaid debit cards as opposed to checking/current-account debit cards.

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Centra Tech are not a bank. They are issuing these Mastercard prepaid debit cards as a reseller, not as the entity which actually holds the funds for the cards. The card accounts are held by Mastercard and when the card is used for a transaction the card-reader pings to the Mastercard account with the intended amount to be debited for that card to verify that the required funds are available.

Centra Tech's 'App' appears to simply allow the user to sell their cryptocurrency to Centra at a rate determined by Centra, in order for Centra's own fiat funds to then credit that user's Mastercard account in a regular electronic bank transfer process. Centra would no-doubt be 'buying' the crypto at a below-market price and selling it on an open exchange for a not-less-than-the-purchase price as soon as possible following the purchase from the user, I figure.

The limits of the 'real time' speed of Centra's bank being instructed to make a payment to a particular Mastercard account and for that prepaid card account to then register the credit as being available for a transaction to complete isn't even the major hurdle here, it is the fact that they would need the card-reader process to trigger the credit from Centra's account to the user's Mastercard account in the first place.

That isn't going to happen with a Mastercard pre-paid debit card. The card-reader process will ONLY ping the card account for availability of funds in order to approve the purchase, which means the credit has to be there BEFORE the transaction commences.

160  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Tokens (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Centra Tech | Multi-Blockchain Worldwide Debit Card & Insured Wallet on: November 21, 2017, 08:14:14 AM
A prepaid card, not a real-time debit card?

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Wasn't this project's entire thing about it being a debit card?

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Isn't the whole premise surrounding the supposedly innovative 'CCE module' that it converts cryptocurrency to cash in real time as the transaction is being made in-store?

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Otherwise, if all you're offering is a pre-paid card which has to be credited with cash prior to use, then you're really only offering a back-end exchange service with withdrawal of fiat to the card balance account which isn't at all the ground-breaking 'real time' conversion/spending claimed.

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