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14561  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Catcoin vs Kittehcoin on: December 26, 2013, 08:14:57 AM
Can we have an option like "shot them both nine times" ?
Sometimes enough is enough , no joke is funny when you tell it 100 times to the same person.
14562  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Super secure hashing | CPU mining on: December 26, 2013, 08:13:10 AM
I've been thinking about the uniqueness of Quark's distribution.

All coins when first issued are raped and dumped by the botnets, etc. In fact no coin can overcome this relentless raping and dumping. All coins nearly die from it. Quark was no exception.

But now because of Quark's distribution, nearly all of its coins have been minted, there can be no more raping and dumping. There is no more constant downward pressure on the price. Now the price can increase with time.

I think that it is this natural price increase that is attractive to hedge fund investors and will result in Quark challenging litecoin's price of 0.025 btc.


i hope your right  Cheesy

I personally have no doubt that Quark will overtake Litecoin. It's just a matter of time.

Shouldn't  you set your expectation about 5 places lower?
Because it will have to take on Namecoin market cap first , and for 10 days it has gone backwards from that target.

Yeah only on the now embarrassment of a stat site coinmarketcap.

 Go to a stat site that at least makes sure the currencies it list are not running their own shady exchange ha ha .

www.cryptmarketcap.com

Why would this happen now ha ha why would this former reputable site do this now ha ha ?

I don't get your point.
On every website that list coins , no matter if they list mastercoin or nxt , quark marketcap is below namecoin.

And , I think that the reward will gonna go to 1 quark /block by the end of the year.

So it means that fewer quarks are added to the value while the other coins still have their rewards as same as before.
Per ex bitcoin will just halve it's reward in two years.
14563  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to ruin Dogecoin on: December 26, 2013, 07:38:06 AM
I hope it dies off. This coin is an embarrassment for the crypto coin community. To many noobs showed up right as it launched. Now it stuck. It offers no innovation to cryptos.

I don't understand... just 1 year ago the Bitcoin community would have done anything to make Bitcoin mainstream and get as many people involved as possible.

Now accessible coins like doge come along and suddenly make "noobs" show up and get interested in cryptocurrency and you complain?

Get off your high horse and stop being such a cynic. Just because you don't like something it doesn't mean the coin is useless. It's spreading *awareness* and that's more than you could ever ask for.



No , many beggars come hoping to mine another clone coin with a dog face on it's wallet and hoping to  get rich.
What the bitcoin community is searching for are merchants and business adopting it as a payment solutions , and people paying their employes with bitcoins.

It never needed lunatics mining a clone coin and begging all day with the hope of buying a lambo with 2 doge.

So , hop on your donkey and take your dog with you also.


14564  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to ruin Dogecoin on: December 26, 2013, 07:34:17 AM
Agreed, there are much better coins to attack than doge. Dogecoin community acknowledges that it's just for fun and that nobody should take it seriously.

Yet people are seriously considering it as an investment.

It's just funny to see so many people hating a coin because they don't like the meme  Cheesy

I don't like it either, but this is fun, even Billy said the coin was just for fun, yet everyone seems to take it way too seriously!!!

Just relax and take the coins with a grain of salt, no one's forcing you too mine it, and if you're investing in things like this for the sole purpose of becoming rich then...well...you're just not doing it right. Never gamble with what you aren't willing to lose, simple. Just relax and enjoy it and go about your lives and don't invest every moment of everyday worrying about it. If you want to do serious trading and investing, then stick to the big coins

How can you consider it fun when you don't like it?
People don't hate it because of the meme , people hate it because of the stupidity of it's adopters and the way they act and spam the forum.
If it was a joke ti would have been funny , but it's just annoying.
14565  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Super secure hashing | CPU mining on: December 26, 2013, 07:29:40 AM
I've been thinking about the uniqueness of Quark's distribution.

All coins when first issued are raped and dumped by the botnets, etc. In fact no coin can overcome this relentless raping and dumping. All coins nearly die from it. Quark was no exception.

But now because of Quark's distribution, nearly all of its coins have been minted, there can be no more raping and dumping. There is no more constant downward pressure on the price. Now the price can increase with time.

I think that it is this natural price increase that is attractive to hedge fund investors and will result in Quark challenging litecoin's price of 0.025 btc.


i hope your right  Cheesy

I personally have no doubt that Quark will overtake Litecoin. It's just a matter of time.

Shouldn't  you set your expectation about 5 places lower?
Because it will have to take on Namecoin market cap first , and for 10 days it has gone backwards from that target.
14566  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] [QRK] Quark | Super secure hashing | CPU mining on: December 26, 2013, 07:27:24 AM
I've been thinking about the uniqueness of Quark's distribution.

All coins when first issued are raped and dumped by the botnets, etc. In fact no coin can overcome this relentless raping and dumping. All coins nearly die from it. Quark was no exception.

But now because of Quark's distribution, nearly all of its coins have been minted, there can be no more raping and dumping. There is no more constant downward pressure on the price. Now the price can increase with time.

I think that it is this natural price increase that is attractive to hedge fund investors and will result in Quark challenging litecoin's price of 0.025 btc.







What has this to do with the issuing of new coins?
Do you thing people trying to manipulate the price will go away once no more coins are issued?
People will stop dumping ? Why should they?

We know far too well that cryptos are used for 1% shopping and 99% trading right now.

14567  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Alt-Coins on: December 26, 2013, 07:24:26 AM
What is a good way to know or research what alt-currencies will be good or not?  I agree as someone said some but not all will or could do well.  Yet, there are at least 100 alt-currencies available.  For instance, Quarkcoin is in the top 10, but at 243 million coins still outstanding, does anyone believe that this might hurt this particular currency?


Yeah , it will hurt mining when the reward goes to 1/16 per block.
Since it's cpu based > easy pray for a botnet.
Also it's inflation doesn't help it a lot compared to other coins. Why the hell have inflation when people went into cyptocoins for fear of inflation.
14568  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Alt-Coins on: December 26, 2013, 07:21:55 AM
What do u guys think about skycoin

An interesting coin Smiley (I'm ironic here).
Clone of NXT principle , let's forget of mining , we "mine" or created it all from the start and sell them all to stupid people.
14569  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Alt-Coins on: December 26, 2013, 07:17:58 AM
Based on this article today on Marketwatch if there was an alt coin say CRD coin for Crude oil trading it would be an instant hit.   It stands to reason that an instantly traded currency would rule this fast paced marketplace.   To me this is a real world marketplace that stands to benefit from such a perfect trading apparatus.


There has been speculation for months about whether bitcoins might be accepted as legal tender by a major developed nation, whether the Chinese will accept them, or whether big web retailers will take then instead of conventional currencies. But the big breakthrough for digital money is more likely to come from the oil cartel, OPEC.

For decades, oil has been priced in dollars but key member states such as Iran, Algeria or Angola are not particularly friendly to the United States, even if they are not quite as hostile as they once were. They have been making noises about switching the price of oil out of the American currency for years, but have never quite managed to agree on alternative.

The euro was a runner for a while, until it started to implode. But what about bitcoins? It is a global currency, with no central bank trashing its value, and it might well prove a better store of value for countries that know their oil won’t last forever. If any single move establishes bitcoin as a serious monetary rival to the dollar, that will be it — and there will be more than a few wry smiles in Tehran over that.




 PS  If any of you devs pick this up keep me in mind  Wink


So , why make a new altcoin that does the same thing as bitcoin , just for a name?
Look at all the stupid casino,games,bet,lucky,poker coins that came out and look how many are used in online games and how many online betting websites are using bitcoins.

Do you pay with gaseuros at the gas station , with carrefoureuros at the supermarket , with electriceuros your electricity bill?
14570  Other / Off-topic / Re: Does wikipedia remind of you the beggards on this forum? on: December 26, 2013, 07:14:18 AM
wikipedia deserves te donation. all the beggars here do not

This. I always said that wikipedia can't be considered a beggar.
They do provide some really useful information , they pay for their servers and bandwidth , they do actually spend time working on this project , (not leaving everything to the contributors).

So , you can't compare them to a beggar on btalk who makes an account and starts begging for free coins.
14571  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price at end of 2014? on: December 26, 2013, 07:10:21 AM
We went from about $15 at the beginning of 2013 to about $700 right now (we are still not done with 2013 either) and most of you think all it will do in 2014 will rise to $2000-$7000?  BTC increased in value about 50x this year.  If we multiply $700 X 50 we get $35,000.  I think that is totally realistic because people are just starting to hear about BTC and we are on the brink of more companies using and accepting BTC as well.

My expectations, that are based on the past behavior of BTC and the exponential growth rate is that we will hit $35,000 to even $50,000 by the end of next year.  



Based on your expectations , if those come true indeed , what will happen next year?
We continue this pattern?
35k*50?  so 1 BTC will be worth 1 750 000 - 2 250 000?
14572  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS] (Small Pieces of) Gold! on: December 26, 2013, 07:05:37 AM
still would be interested in first two. now could pay paypal.

Just asking ... is it safe for the seller to accept paypal? Chargebacks and all .....

You seems to forget those are actual goods , not a digital (currency).
The seller can provide the information and proof that he did shipped the goods.
14573  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 25, 2013, 10:27:16 AM
r/bitcoin – 89,324 readers; 750 users here now

r/litecoin – 15,588; ~80

r/dogecoin – 15,085; 655

How funny is that? 2014 will clearly be the year of the Shiba Inu. Look at all the hype it's generat-err digging.

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Probably January will be the month of the doge coin , and I mean that like the month of its peak and collapse since I can not believe that this madness will go on for an entire year.

14574  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Graincoin Blockchain Fork Took 1 Million Coin on: December 25, 2013, 10:18:14 AM
I don't see your problem. Coins are on that address. Maybe they fixed it or something but now it seems like it is ok.

When I checked his address half an hour before there weren't any transactions just an empty address so I figure they have somehow figured out the issue with this
14575  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin network cost is OK now, but may soon be hugely wasteful on: December 25, 2013, 08:20:34 AM
BTC is not going to be worth 1 million a coin in 2 years. That is where you are wrong so the rest of your argument makes no sense.

oh, also, and if it were, the block reward would no longer be 25 BTC. It would be 12.5 BTC.

Why?

Well, a 2,000 fold increase in the price of bitcoin would cause a huge demand in mining. You agree since you believe people would spend 3.6 billion per day mining.

Right now many ASICs can achieve 1 GH/s per watt of power. Let's assume ASICs don't get more efficient (they will) and assume an average electricity of $0.15 kwh. 3.6 billion dollars a day in electricity is enough for 1 TRILLION watts of power. or a total network hashrate of 1 x 10^12 * 1 x 10^9 = 10^21 or 1 zettahash/s worldwide hash rate. The current world hashrate is roughly 10 petahashes (1 x 10^16). That means the world hashrate would have to increase by 10^21/10^16 = 10^5 = 100,000 times. This would make the difficulty be around 100 trillion.

This would mean the world hashrate would have to double roughly 17 times. The hashrate would have to increase at such a ridiculously high rate that we would got through blocks so quickly that we would hit the next block having date in far less than two years from now. Thus the block reward would only be 12.5 BTC.

I'm too lazy to actually calculate how long it would take to hit the next halving. I'll let someone else do it.

Excellent point!

Reward-Drop ETA: 2016-10-17 03:57:01 UTC

And now

Reward-Drop ETA: 2016-09-14 06:35:24 UTC (142 weeks, 2 hours, 20 minutes)

We're gonna have a "party" a few months earlier.
14576  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin network cost is OK now, but may soon be hugely wasteful on: December 25, 2013, 08:14:21 AM
I wrote this paper on this exact topic a few days ago:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Lb_iLMmH5sIiYfGeHr9tCTnaoWjK25zDlvO0nXXgEng/edit?usp=sharing

The TL,DR is that we're fine now, but as Bitcoin grows in value we may have a problem with electricity usage.  We (I) must reanalyze later!



You have some maths wrong in your paper. 11kw average consumption of a house , it's more like 33.
And why compare it to paypal or google?
Compare that to the electricity banks consume.
In my parents hometown ~ 50k they have 21 banks , 2 of them are 3 floors high and over 1000mp2 . Let's compare how energy they waste and how much the bitcoin network does.
14577  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Graincoin Blockchain Fork Took 1 Million Coin on: December 25, 2013, 08:03:55 AM
I researched it. It had moved to PoS only, so I bought based on no new coins. The devs fixed the PoW by dropping one or several blocks without discussion. They were silent until the fix came in. You can't research what the devs will do if they are silent.

They shouldn't have fixed by dropping blocks or forking. It destroys the integrity of the coin.

If you researched it  , can you please tell me who devs of this coin are?
Cause I've been reading the first 10 pages of that thread and I couldn't see anything that resembles a dev , more like an epic clonefail.
14578  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin network cost is OK now, but may soon be hugely wasteful on: December 25, 2013, 07:57:14 AM
You've all heard the environmental/waste argument "the Bitcoin network uses too much computing power."

Right now I don't think this is a good argument. We're not spending that many resources mining if you make the comparison with the cost of securing banks and credit cards. However, if bitcoins jump in price like a lot of us hope they will, this will be a legitimate problem.

Imagine that the price of BTC reached $1,000,000 USD on January of 2016. The block reward will still be 25 BTC, meaning that every day, 3.6 billion dollars worth of bitcoins is distributed to miners. Miners would be expected to spend almost 3.6 billion dollars per day to mine these coins. That's 1.3 trillion dollars per year, or almost 2% of the wealth produced globally every year (as of right now).

Of course in this situation, the Bitcoin network will be very widely used and worth protecting from attacks. The question is: is 2% of global wealth devoted to protecting the Bitcoin network overkill? Maybe it would have enough protection with just 1% of global wealth, or even 0.2%.

The general problem is that the rewards to miners will be somewhat arbitrary and not calibrated to the security needs of the network, because they're based on parameters that Satoshi picked before he knew what the adoption/price curve would look like.



Let's assume it goes to 1 billion. Just for fun.
For your computing , that would mean 2000% of the wealth produced globally.

And now , it seems there is a problem with this , right?
Spot it and you have the answer to your question in the first place.
14579  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Graincoin Blockchain Fork Took 1 Million Coin on: December 25, 2013, 07:50:48 AM
This sound be on the sticky wall for things you don't make.
Investing $ in a new alt coin without researching it a bit.

The alt coin bubble is going to blow up and God! , there will be some whining stories afterwards.
14580  Other / Meta / Re: (Suggestion) New sub-forum for novelty coins on: December 25, 2013, 06:58:52 AM
If I will ever try to teach my mom about how to use a wallet , I'll end up in a mental facility before I manage to teach her.
So , from my point of view you can't really consider something being difficult unless you also take into account what drives you to use that thing.

Isn't bitcoin 10 times harder to use than PP ? But there is some incentive to do that , and with tpb(piratebay) domains falling one after other .... I think you get my point.It won't be as harder in the future to set the the .bit dns up , considering the benefits.

Also , I specifically said in my post "prove that it works" regarding to alt coins. Because when speaking about their features , you have used past tense for most of them.
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