I want to keep this this thread strictly on topic, there are plenty of open threads to flame in. I encourage everyone to click report if this thread gets off topic.
Both goals of the "attack" were accomplished.
1) To focus you guys on central point to build hash rate to harden LTC against an obvious evolving 51% attack
2) To demonstrate that a hard coded solution is needed as hash rate alone is not enough.
Hard coding a 51% protection is simple really, but how do you engineer it so that it won't be abused?
Thoughts?
Actually, the code in question requires that people adopt the new client with the hard coded checkpoint. Otherwise, you have a network split. Once again, it is just voting via client. A cartel of LTC miners (including an exchange) with 51% of the hash power behind a different fork would not adopt this checkpoint. This scenario would leave two competing Litecoin chains in operation. |
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According to http://www.litecoinpool.org/charts#marketThe BTC/LTC market moved down substantially on 7/25. There were two spikes of LTC/USD upwards, but there has been less than $50 worth of trades in that market for the past 2 days. So it was probably due to buying into a lack of liquidity. I wish I could get transaction volume numbers. /sigh |
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One of them is always offline when the other is online. LOL at least use two computers...  If a mod could verify that both accounts logged from the same IP, that would be evidence. Otherwise, I would expect at least one to be using a proxy. Edit: bad grammar  |
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The check point is not the problem.
BitcoinEXpress already told coblee that he wont attack.
But nobody in their right mind would take what was said by BCX on faith alone. He also said any coin he attacked so far is dead.
Maybe he attacked everything he said he did. Perhaps BCX was all smoke and mirrors and only took credit for the actions of others. Maybe he attacked some coins and not others. Without independent confirmation, I do not put any weight behind his claims. So, if some one in future attacks then Litecoin also will die.
Maybe. This was an interesting experiment that brought to light some disturbing features of certain members of the LTC community. Threads like these are the ones that show up when googling for LTC. It was certainly entertaining to read and much popcorn was consumed. |
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So after I came out and told BCX that I've lost all respect for her(?) if she attacks Litecoin, I got this PM: Geez, don't sweat it, I'm not going to hit it hard enough to hurt it.
Have you noticed the hash rate in LTC has jumped 200K in the past hour. These guys needed a public face to rally against and defeat the DDoS going on.
Just keep this to yourself.
So I was not sure what to think of this. I'm not sure what she meant by "not going to hit it hard enough to hurt it." Either BCX is really just faking this attack to help Litecoin against an attack by someone else (because pools were indeed getting DDoS'd and there definitely was a possibility that someone is trying to 51% the network) OR BCX is lying to me in PM to hope that I do nothing to try to stop her. Since I didn't know BCX well enough, I couldn't just take her word for it. So I decided to treat BCX's threat as real. So that's how I've acted initially towards this attack. And if the attack indeed turns out to be a bluff, it would be a learning experience to see how our community handles such an attack. I believe we will get attacked for real eventually if this was not real. Since BCX announced when she was going to fork the network, I decided that the best defense was to just put a checkpoint in 12-24 hours after she forked it. This way if enough people upgraded, she would have wasted all the time and money and had to refork after the checkpoint if she was going to continue the attack. So that's what I did. In the meantime, I got a few more PM's from BCX: Have you noticed how the DDoS has stopped on the pools since I started all of this.
Well you kinda put me in a position to have to carry through now by telling them you didn't think I could  Honestly I don't care if they don't like me. In a matter of two days I have galvanized this community, the DDos have stopped, and LTC is at 0.0063. At this point in time (Thursday), I've decided that BCX's threat was indeed a bluff. Maybe she was just trying to help Litecoin in a weird twisted way. I told people that I thought the attack was a bluff and even if it was not, I believed our network hashrate was large enough to make it prohibitively expensive to attack us. And I decided there was no reason to do another checkpoint and told BTC-e that I think it's safe to open up deposit/withdrawal. So that's my side of the story. So, by all this drama one thing is proved. Litecoin is NOT A DECENTRALIZED coin. It is controlled & centralized by some developers & some asshole psychos. The users of Litecoin had the option to not run the checkpoint and instead fork their own version of the client. The checkpoint was a suggestion by the developer, not a command. |
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See,that's the problem with you morons. You can't read or think logically.
I was never a alt coin supporter and will never be. I only support Bitcoin.
Doesn't surprise me the least that inferior minds like yours confused me being a BCX detractor with being a solidcoin supporter.
Now crawl back to your mom's basement where you've been living for the past 20 years playing computer games.
With a bit of luck Danny Maddox will drop by and you can suck his dick one more time before he goes to jail.
@Psy You have rooted for SoiledCoin so many times with no reason at all behind your posts, celebrating that it had not crashed and attacking those who were attacking it. I guess it could make sense that it was your pathological hatred of BCX that put you on the wrong side of things. Quote me defending Solidcoin and prove what you say, please. Attacking BCX != Defending SolidCoin. Let me leave you with a quote from someone much more smarter than any of you. Joecoin,
Spacy and Psy are both SC fans, so don't worry about them
By now it's relatively old news that RS bans anyone who he disagrees with.
No, I'm not. Point me to a post where I say I like Solidcoin. I think you are confusing me not liking douchebagexpress with me liking solidcoin. Was just pointing out that the OP is a crybaby. Should users banned from Bitcointalk.org open threads at other forums complainting that they were banned? FFS... And why is this in the alt currencies forum? At most it should be in Off-Topic. Having followed this soap-drama for a while I was interested to see this comment about Psy's attitude to SC. While I tend not to read Psy's posts too closely because they have lower entertainment value, they can easily be read as pro-SC. Wasting some of my weekend and drinking coffee I had a look at the post log and they are right - anti-bitcoinexpress, but not pro-SC. More coffee now  Now stop diverting the discussion from topic. The matter on hands here isn't what I defend or not. Let's talk about: DannyMaddox == BitcoinEXpress. Saying things like this 2 days later add to the confusion:
It's November 01 and you still haven't killed Solidcoin despite you saying that you would kill it before October 17...
Suck it!
Attacking people who were against SoiledCoin (myself, LoupGaroux to name a couple) for nothing other than also being against the same thing BCX was against earned you some well deserved scorn. I take a dim view of Ad Hominem attacks. If BCX declared that 2+2=4, I would concur. That is because I believe 2+2=4 and not because I have some desire to be seen as agreeing with BCX. You ended up on the wrong side of that. As for if (DannyMaddox == BitcoinExpress) printf("%s", drama); or (if (= DannyMaddox BitcoinExpress) (pprint drama) ) for you lisp nerds out there, both variables are undefined IMO so no comparison is possible. |
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See,that's the problem with you morons. You can't read or think logically.
I was never a alt coin supporter and will never be. I only support Bitcoin.
Doesn't surprise me the least that inferior minds like yours confused me being a BCX detractor with being a solidcoin supporter.
Now crawl back to your mom's basement where you've been living for the past 20 years playing computer games.
With a bit of luck Danny Maddox will drop by and you can suck his dick one more time before he goes to jail.
@Psy You have rooted for SoiledCoin so many times with no reason at all behind your posts, celebrating that it had not crashed and attacking those who were attacking it. I guess it could make sense that it was your pathological hatred of BCX that put you on the wrong side of things. I suppose that qualifies as repenting. I'll cross you off my list of Soiledpuppets. Once again however, your emotions have the best of you. You clearly did not ready my numerous posts declaring that this whole Litecoin thing was a tempest in a teacup, which it absolutely turned out to be. @Simram: you said "legal right", did you mean legal obligation? If so, then it wouldn't be "another charge", it would be "instead charged with". Also, the crime you are talking about is referred to as "Misprision" and the relevant statute reads ( 18 U.S.C. § 4 ): "Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both." Other mandatory reporting laws involve positions of authority (teachers reporting abuse, etc) which it is now patently obvious that BCX was in no such position. Did BCX conceal the crime? If so, what precisely was the act of concealment. I suppose one could pretend it was a forum bug and not a DDoS and thus conceal that a crime had occurred. At this point I think it unlikely that BCX had any resources and instead was just smoke and mirrors, but it is possible. I just don't see any proof, only popcorn fuel. |
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I deserve the bounty.
If anyone sets up a bounty to dox BitcoinEXpress (and friends), I will pledge .01 LTC.
So far, I only saw .01 LTC pledged. Maybe I missed the other pledges. If not, don't spend it all in one place.  |
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No, he didn't claim a DDoS. He showed it live to Smoothie. Or are you saying BCX knew the forum would go down for a couple minutes 5 minutes in advance? Read the log. Your BCX fanboyism is affecting your judgement. http://pastebin.com/dNRymrae[01:04] <BitcoinEXpress> smoothie you still here
[01:04] <Smoothie_> yes im here BCX
[01:04] <Smoothie_> yes
[01:04] <BitcoinEXpress> wanna see me DDoS Bitcointalk LOL
[01:04] <Keverw> Oh... So how did you get a BotNet? Made a fake version of photoshop?
[01:04] <Smoothie_> LOL sure...
[01:04] <Smoothie_> go for it
[01:05] <Smoothie_> (watching)
[01:06] <BitcoinEXpress> damn they got some heavy duty, gimme about 60 seconds to drop 200 more hitters in the mix
[01:07] <D34TH> i read that shitters in the mix
[01:07] <BitcoinEXpress> lol
[01:08] <Smoothie_> okie
[01:09] <BitcoinEXpress> 400 and they're holding
[01:09] <Smoothie_> there we go
[01:10] <Smoothie_> i see it
[01:10] <Smoothie_> hahaha
[01:10] <Smoothie_> nice I bolded the timeline so you can easily understand it. Let me see if I understand how things have and would proceed. A pathological liar claims things on IRC that may or may not be true. The IRC channel is logged. You call the police. The police arrest BCX. BCX hires a lawyer. BCX is arraigned. BCX whispers in the lawyers ear. The lawyer says "My client was aware of a DDoS going on against cryptocurrencies forums being perpetrated by the goons at somethingawful.com. He read claims made by anonymous third parties of their attacks in real time, verified that they were indeed occurring and then took credit for them in the logs we see before the court. He did this to inflate his own credibility in the sphere of cryptocurrencies." If there is no other proof, then BCX will be guilty of lying to you over the internet. Again. To sum up: After having been through what you just went through, you probably should not trust anything that came out of BCX's mouth. I also don't trust anything that comes out of a mouth whos been sucking BCX's dick since day one: YOUR MOUTH! What I said stands on it's own merit. I am not surprised though that you cannot internalize the logic of what was said. Instead, you have to rely on who said it. You witnessed BCX and I criticizing SoiledCoin on these forums and assumed that we agree on everything. Just because BCX also disliked SoiledCoin and RealSolid does not make him my accomplice (or vice versa). You on the other hand, being a supporter of SoiledCoin have ample reason to dislike me and BCX both. P.S. I can't keep track, did you repent your SoiledCoin heresy? Or are you still a devout member of the Church of Microcash? |
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No, he didn't claim a DDoS. He showed it live to Smoothie. Or are you saying BCX knew the forum would go down for a couple minutes 5 minutes in advance? Read the log. Your BCX fanboyism is affecting your judgement. http://pastebin.com/dNRymrae[01:04] <BitcoinEXpress> smoothie you still here
[01:04] <Smoothie_> yes im here BCX
[01:04] <Smoothie_> yes
[01:04] <BitcoinEXpress> wanna see me DDoS Bitcointalk LOL
[01:04] <Keverw> Oh... So how did you get a BotNet? Made a fake version of photoshop?
[01:04] <Smoothie_> LOL sure...
[01:04] <Smoothie_> go for it
[01:05] <Smoothie_> (watching)
[01:06] <BitcoinEXpress> damn they got some heavy duty, gimme about 60 seconds to drop 200 more hitters in the mix
[01:07] <D34TH> i read that shitters in the mix
[01:07] <BitcoinEXpress> lol
[01:08] <Smoothie_> okie
[01:09] <BitcoinEXpress> 400 and they're holding
[01:09] <Smoothie_> there we go
[01:10] <Smoothie_> i see it
[01:10] <Smoothie_> hahaha
[01:10] <Smoothie_> nice I bolded the timeline so you can easily understand it. Let me see if I understand how things have and would proceed. A pathological liar claims things on IRC that may or may not be true. The IRC channel is logged. You call the police. The police arrest BCX. BCX hires a lawyer. BCX is arraigned. BCX whispers in the lawyers ear. The lawyer says "My client was aware of a DDoS going on against cryptocurrencies forums being perpetrated by the goons at somethingawful.com. He read claims made by anonymous third parties of their attacks in real time, verified that they were indeed occurring and then took credit for them in the logs we see before the court. He did this to inflate his own credibility in the sphere of cryptocurrencies." If there is no other proof, then BCX will be guilty of lying to you over the internet. Again. To sum up: After having been through what you just went through, you probably should not trust anything that came out of BCX's mouth. |
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bitlane, we caught the motherfucker. Thanks to the info I collected will most definitely land him in jail. As for you BCX, suck ma muthafuckin dick! Once I see that the feds arrest you, I can't wait to hear you're being ass raped in the shower room, and knowing you're someone's bitch! Psyco's like you don't deserve anything but little life. If you really have a daughter, I hope CPS takes her away from you because of what threat you post to her. I also hope feds destroy your computer than has your BTC wallet in it too, you don't deserve to be around any crypto currency at all! Fuck you BCX/Danny!
~Simran~
According to Coblee, BCX's end of the attack was all a hoax. No DDoS, no Amazon EC2 instances, no forks. So what info did you catch exactly? He DDoS'd other members, and has impersonated the same Asian bitch 3 times. 2 with the same first but different last names, another the latest one named Kaley Wu. He/she claimed credit for DDoS. He/she claimed there was also a 51% attack. How hard is it to see someone complaining about being DDoS'd on IRC and then pretend it was you doing it? Perhaps BCX did DDoS, but determining that would require actual proof (like credit card & paypal receipts to Amazon Web Services). Posts on a message board do not constitute proof, as people here are so quick to forget. Actors impersonate people every day. Unless BCX signed an affidavit (like applying for a credit card or loan) that was false, identity theft has not occurred (AFAIK INAL). So other than lying to everyone on a message board (which is not a crime in an of itself), what would the police charge BCX with? Please link the statute number or at least the name of the law. |
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He should, but not for spitting out bullshit. DDoS'ing this forum is the reason he should be banned(and put in jail maybe).
Also, he's a stalker.
Admitting to a DDoS of the forum is a criminal action that we expect from Russian script kiddies. Forum ownership should AT LEAST file this as a report with their local cops. So, everything BCX said about the attack turned out to not be true. Except for that part? Unlikely. It was probably 100% misinformation. Someone was DDoSing and BCX probably just took the credit to bolster her/his "street cred". Are you calling your lover a LIAR? You should go back and read my posts on this subject. This has been much ado about nothing from the beginning. Start with this one: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=94912.msg1053598#msg1053598And then you can move on to this one where I arrested BCX: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95005.msg1051490#msg1051490And then this one where I did Cameron Diaz: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=95116.msg1052205#msg1052205 |
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He should, but not for spitting out bullshit. DDoS'ing this forum is the reason he should be banned(and put in jail maybe).
Also, he's a stalker.
Admitting to a DDoS of the forum is a criminal action that we expect from Russian script kiddies. Forum ownership should AT LEAST file this as a report with their local cops. So, everything BCX said about the attack turned out to not be true. Except for that part? Unlikely. It was probably 100% misinformation. Someone was DDoSing and BCX probably just took the credit to bolster her/his "street cred". |
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Litecoin is already successful as a testbed for Bitcoin. |
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He delivered all right. He delivered insight into just what kind of people support LTC and it isn't a pretty sight. He looks like a pretty sick bunny too. Some of the people who support LTC, not all of them. It is possible to have a reasonable conversation with some LTC folks. The only problem is 200 screaming speculators swoop in and hijack the thread if you try to do it here. |
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bitlane, we caught the motherfucker. Thanks to the info I collected will most definitely land him in jail. As for you BCX, suck ma muthafuckin dick! Once I see that the feds arrest you, I can't wait to hear you're being ass raped in the shower room, and knowing you're someone's bitch! Psyco's like you don't deserve anything but little life. If you really have a daughter, I hope CPS takes her away from you because of what threat you post to her. I also hope feds destroy your computer than has your BTC wallet in it too, you don't deserve to be around any crypto currency at all! Fuck you BCX/Danny!
~Simran~
According to Coblee, BCX's end of the attack was all a hoax. No DDoS, no Amazon EC2 instances, no forks. So what info did you catch exactly? |
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If this "attack" turns put to be fake I nominate BCX to have a scammer label.
Other way around. If the attack is real, then BCX scammed people out of thinking that LTC was proof against a few EC2 instances. If the attack turns out to be unsuccessful, then BCX stress tested LTC. LTC passed. Either way, this whole fiasco demonstrated just how flighty some of the supporters for LTC are. But I suppose speculators have to respect the way the economic winds are blowing. Coblee could have put paid a lot of this just by saying "I'll just checkpoint the block chain on Thursday." |
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I wish people could be reasonable
but I realise that is an impossibility for some
and in this subforum people seem to go out of their way to be unreasonably stupid....
sigh
+1 Sometimes it is warranted to be funny...but obvious "I_RAPE_REALSOLID" can't get over the fact that soiledcoins/microCRASH is done and dead. like quoting Perry Como lyrics? If wishes were kisses, I'd still be kissing you I'd hold you in my arms again the way I used to do If wishes were kisses, how happy I would be I'd always have you close to me to thrill me through and through If dreamers were schemers, I'd make my dream come true If wishes were kisses, I'd still be kissing you If wishes were kisses, how happy I would be I'd always have you close to me to thrill me through and through If dreamers were schemers, I'd make my dream come true If wishes were kisses, I'd still be kissing you Read more: PERRY COMO - IF WISHES WERE KISSES LYRICS http://www.metrolyrics.com/if-wishes-were-kisses-lyrics-perry-como.html#ixzz21snONgZD Copied from MetroLyrics.com Keep it gay. Keep it light. Keep it fresh. Keep it fair. |
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There a roughly 3 types of people.
1) People who have never built anything useful in their life but have taken a hammer to destroy someone else work repeatedly and feel "good" about it. Driving forces for them are stupidity, greed, several delusions, anger, narcissism and all the other negative shit you can come up with. This is the category for sociopaths like BCX and his brow-nose sock puppets. They are small minded people who are in constant need for attention. Only way for them to get any of it at all, is to be a total asshole. They are really good at it.
2) People who have built something or helped someone to build it. If they see something is wrong, they will help you to to fix it. Good, happy and hard working people who feel great, when they do something good.
3) "don't really give shit" type of free-rides who are just lazy and probably not too bright. They do not take a hammer and start destroying others hard work but thy never contribute willingly to build it.
Technically, if someone contributes over 50% of the hash power to LTC, then that someone gets to do whatever he/she likes with it. They can force a new client onto you (or block you from mining or block your transactions from being confirmed). That is the nature of Bitcoin style currencies. Democracy in action. It doesn't really matter if a 51% attack succeeds at this point, I think everyone agrees that Litecoin is very vulnerable to one. Oh, and you forgot a fourth type of person. 4) Gamblers who speculate on currencies they don't understand and get enraged when things don't go their way. |
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The sugar daddy would also have to dump the coins mined to keep the price below the point where it would be worthwhile to do a 51% attack.
Why would it ever be worthwhile to 51% a network. Is there some money to be made I am unaware of? Transfer your coin to an exchange and convert it into dollars. Take your dollars spend them on hookers and beer. Replace the part of the chain that contains your transfer with your version of the blockchain that does not. Rinse and repeat. https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Attacks#Attacker_has_a_lot_of_computing_power...and then the exchange sets your dollar balance to a negative number and makes you return the money. Or you can never use that exchange again and hope they don't come after you. And how do they know I submitted the false blockchain? Unless I am BCX and announce my intentions, nobody knows I am the one with the secret hash power. All I did was accept BTC transfers from a third party and converted them to dollars. Half of the transactions look exactly the same as mine do. They all got rolled back, so which transactions belong to the bad guy? It's not my fault the exchange lost their BTC. It doesn't matter if you're a bad guy or an innocent bystander. When a blockchain fork happens, everyone that sold coins get them back. My point precisely. There is no spoon. Only forks. |
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