A great example of how collaboration and cooperation overcomes profit motive based endeavors.

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I am not personally affiliated with that company, I just pointed it out as an example the most basic implementation of the technology I was referring to. I hope they start accepting bitcoins though, that would be great!

I don't understand your reference to intellectual property or how it relates to RBE proponents.

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Already being done. But profit is not my end goal.

Challenge your assumptions. I think you will be surprised by what you learn.

This is where we disagree though. You seem to assume that people live in a vacuum, being fully capable of deciding for themselves what affects their emotions and state of mind. In fact, we are heavily influenced by our environment, and the society we develop in. Certainly, the things that make you happy are not at all the things that make an Eskimo happy, nor a man who lived 10,000 years ago. You are conditioned to feel, believe and behave in the manner that you were brought up in. No one can choose what makes them happy, they are conditioned to be happy.

I'm glad we agree.

You couldn't function as an individual. We are a social animal, and require social stimulus in order to live, grow and develop. The illusion of individuality is perpetuated in order for you to consume at a greater level than you would otherwise.

We can choose to build and maintain a safe transportation system that removes human error and therefor be safer and more efficient. We don't because the established interests would lose money if this were the case. That is why a change in values is necessary if we are going to ever become civilized.

We can use automated agricultural systems that produce far more food than we can today in a fraction of the land, water and harmful fertilizers and insecticides. This is possible today, but many people are ignorant of this and other technologies.

Coin generation.

This does not make any sense. There are no final frontiers of knowledge and we can never reach perfection. There will always be something new to learn or somewhere new to go to.

You're confusing highest potential for highest potential consumption, which is not my intention. People in highly technological societies do not tend to produce as many offspring, as doing so is a reaction to scarcity. What I mean by potential is the ability to learn and contribute to society in terms of new ideas, technologies and abilities that help improve our lives.

Maybe we can convince the people behind Minecraft that there would be some synergy if they accepted this new digital "mining" based currency.

Our proposed solution is to use our resources, knowledge and capability to provide for all people with access abundance. We look to shift societal values to life, learning, the environment and cooperation. This is not babble, just ideas that are not commonplace in today's zeitgeist. I understand that it sounds strange to many of you, but these are not impossible, idyllic fantasies, but very concrete and scientifically based assertions that can come into existence if we wanted.

As to the "morons" who have surrounded you, I think you don't grasp the fact that these people are products of our current system. People are kept ignorant so that they do not attempt to change things for the better. I think you would agree with me that if everyone had a better grasp of basic science and math principles, we could be a lot better off. That is what we hope to see encouraged in the future.


I don't know how to respond to this, because I think you made a mistake while writing it.

So you believe that helping all people reach their fullest potential is not a positive goal to work towards? Are you afraid that having a cooperative society that values life and our environment would be detrimental?

Millions die annually due to preventable causes such as malnutrition, curable disease, no access to water and the immediate and lingering effects of unnecessary warfare, among other reasons such as an unsafe transportation system and other infrastructural system problems.

Thanks for the responses, I am glad we can discuss this idea.


It is important to note that we can have abundance of all necessities of life if we so choose. We don't because it would not be profitable. I'm sure everyone here would like to see all people have everything they need to survive. What they don't realize is that we can provide this, we simply do not value those goals, because we have been manipulated into being greedy, competitive consumers. We can choose to be better.


I don't think so, not in a society that values life and has access to the neccessities of life. We are taught to believe that people are naturally greedy or need someone to keep them in line. People will choose to work together if they are brought up to do so. We are currently raised to be competitive and dominant, at least in the dominant monetary system culture.


This approach is unprecedented. I believe what you are referring to is the failed attempts of single countries trying to maintain governments, armies, false authority and a flawed monetary system that tried to impose their will on others. Not to mention the fact that they did not have access to the production and communication technologies we have today. There could not have been a positive outcome when you maintain such destructive values and institutions. We have been conditioned to fear changes like this because of our flawed education and ignorance of the real differences between those failed attempts and a chance to have real change.


Private ownership is a reaction to scarcity. What we are talking about is the abundance of access to all of life's necessities. We do not need to return to an ancient technological state to achieve this goal. We can have a far better lifestyle for all people, in fact the "wealthiest" person today would live far better in a society that values life and the environment that sustains it.


Millions are being killed now in the name of the profit motive. We are seeking to put an end to this type of outcome.


The fact is that people are kept ignorant of the way the economy works because it is ultimately a false and destructive institution, manipulated by the people in control for their own benefit. This is antithetical to the way we have evolved, and that is why we have negative reactions to, and a desire to leave, such ways of life. It is antithetical to life itself. You would not survive if your organs operated in a market style economy. We cannot survive as a species if we continue our present course.


Thanks! I just want to point out that I do not speak on behalf of the movement, I am just an individual who wants to make the world a better place for all people, who also happens to be interested in computer science and technology. I think that Bitcoin can be an interesting and better alternative to our current system, but I don't desire it to be dominant in the long term. I favor a transition to a global RBE that benefits all people, not just those with access to power and computational ability. I doubt PJ will produce a video about this system, but I'm sure it will interest the movement some day soon. I agree that things are going to get very bad for many people in the near future, but we are trying to help make people aware that we can choose to do better.


As I mentioned in the OP, I think this could be an interesting transitional system between our current destructive model and a true moneyless society. I understand that this change will not happen instantaneously, but I think it can be helpful to demonstrate how technology can be a far better alternative to our old traditional and false institutions.

Thank you again for your thoughtful responses.

Greetings,

I was very excited to learn about the Bitcoin currency several months ago, and I am very pleased to see it growing. I am part of an organization called the Zeitgeist Movement, who advocates a resource based economy. We are interested in seeing a radical redesign of society and an associated shift in values. We understand that the major cause of human suffering today is the current monetary system and the warped values and corrupt behavior inherent in its implementation. We know that we can provide food, water, shelter and a highly technological life style to every one on the planet if we chose to do so. What generally prevents us from doing so is the idea of money, which paralyzes us as a society, in terms of technological advancement, quality of education and healthcare, and a sick culture that encourages us to be competitive and cruel to our fellow human beings.

Knowing and understanding the underlying mechanics of a monetary system is fundamental to not being abused by it. Currently, the vast majority of people are unaware of the destructive and unfair nature of our current fractional reserve banking system, and that makes them vulnerable to all the abuses we see today. Poverty, war, crime and hunger are the result of inequitable economic practices, and will not significantly change until we end or significantly alter our subservience to this and associated institutions. I believe Bitcoin would make for an ideal transition currency until a full RBE can be implemented.

An RBE is basically the realization that there are no arbitrary restrictions on reality. Being bound to the imaginary rules of a monetary game, we limit how much we can accomplish and provide for each other. If we declared all of the earth's resources as common heritage for all the world's people, and used the methods of science to construct and provide all of life's necessities for all people, then there would be considerable reduction in hunger, crime, war and poverty, not to mention unnecessary suffering due to lack of access of medical care or inadequate educational opportunities. If people were given all that were necessary to survive, they could devote themselves to the benefit of all man kind. These would be the values of a resource based economy, not the competitive and acquisitive value based behavior we see today.

I encourage you to learn more about these ideas if they interest you. I hope to support the bitcoin system as long as I am able, and I hope to see it become a dominant and thriving ecosystem in the months and years to come. Thank you for your time and attention.