Addendum:
If there are any figures you would like to see interviewed, we're open to suggestions.
Satoshi (good luck!) Plato Any core dev Anyone behind one of the major auction sites or exchange sites Mobile devs Lawyers to talk about the stupid legal stuff Anyone making or funding national advertising People who might be adversarial to bitcoin (interesting debate of any sort) Brick and mortar merchants Anyone from sympathetic groups/orgs Wikileaks!!! Any politician/economist who is willing to be honest about current monetary policy |
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+1 to Atlas, who I hired and partially paid weeks ago to write a short story for me. He ultimately decided to not create the final product, but did refund my payment plus extra.
I do not believe he is a scammer. |
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Mutual trust, respect, care and appreciation.
What do you think about this money called LETS? I prefer Ripple. Interesting, but all currency relies of differential advantage, and equality and mutual respect cannot exist in such a system that promotes its own dominance and corrupts those who use it. Technological power frequently corrupts those who wield it. Why is currency seen as such a threat while technological power controlled by those at the top of your technocracy (Fresco used to use the term himself) is presented only as a utopia free of violence and coercion? Do you not see the potential for abuse there? Technology used to care for people and provide access abundance is quit dissimilar to monetary systems, which function primarily as a way to prohibit people from obtaining what they need in favor of those who have access to the majority of the money. |
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Mutual trust, respect, care and appreciation.
What do you think about this money called LETS? I prefer Ripple. Interesting, but all currency relies of differential advantage, and equality and mutual respect cannot exist in such a system that promotes its own dominance and corrupts those who use it. |
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By rejecting "legal tender," you are quite literally rejecting the idea that people should expect anything at all in return for their work. ... Rejecting legal tender means that everyone would have to work for entirely altruistic reasons, expecting absolutely nothing in return, yet still having things given to them (like food and shelter) in return for their work.
Okay yes, rejecting legal tender does tend to hinder the imposition of silly notions like the labor theory of value. I'm sorry to be the one to break this to you, but work does not actually have inherent value. No one owes you anything for the unproductive work that you perform. But, no, without legal tender, no one would be forced to work for "altruistic reasons". People can always perform work that is productive and that returns value. It should be obvious that, absent some type of forced servitude, no one is forced to work for nothing and I'm not really sure where you got that idea. You kinda sorta TOTALLY missed what I was saying. I wasn't claiming that work itself has value, I was saying that I would expect to be PAID for the "value" that I "return," by whoever values my return. Without a "legal tender" of any kind, which the RBE guys are claiming to be anything that is a method of value exchange (money, barter goods, etc), there's no way for my work to be compensated. And without compensation, what else is left? Mutual trust, respect, care and appreciation. |
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+1 to tsvekric.
Fast trade and excellent deal.
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Just made a trade with OP. Very fast and an excellent deal. Thanks!
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governments go into debt.
drug dealers go into profit.
And neither party is better off. |
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More accurately, we use the scientific method to arrive at conclusions, upon which decisions are based. Making decisions based on irrational markets or government whims does not allow for optimal outcomes. Relevant values are emergent and discoverable, and does not require divine intervention. I'm sorry you don't yet understand my answers. Maybe you should reexamine the premises of your questions.
I guess I have to open my mind to a form of economy that does not rely on markets nor governments. I just don't get it. When the experts (all good scientist) disagree, what happens in a RBE? And if you think I'm based on a false premise, just say it: "Scientist do not disagree". Aren't experts (I don't care if they use CAD) the ones making the rational decisions? Who then? You still avoid the main underlying question: How the decisions are made in a RBE? I know, rationally, based on scientific facts, by balanced and well educated people, without greed (thanks to the ADK cornucopia), with cool open governance and so on. But more specifically, because all that basically tells me nothing to solve my doubt; what happens when conflicting opinions about how the scarce resources should be used appear? How those conflicts are solved? Maybe 4v4l0n42 can be more concrete than you. Opinions are not germane to solving technical problems. Experimentation provides a much better platform for discovering the most efficient way to solve such problems. Finding suitable substitutions to scarce or unsustainable resources is also a priority. |
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You realize governments do more than provide drug lords guns?
They kill people.
They're territorial.
They are corrupt.
They are not trustworthy.
They don't care about you.
They make the area they're in pretty damn miserable.
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...Relevant values are emergent and discoverable, and does not require divine intervention.....
Forgive me for not reading the whole thread, but it sounds like you're trying to ignore some fundamentals about humanity. I'd argue that many values emerge from our biology and natural-selection type processes. People are self-interested. There is of course *some* natural tendency toward acting for the good of the species vs the good of one's self, but to dismiss self-interest as a cultural phenomenon only is naive. ... Again, forgive me if this has already been addressed - I pretty much just read the first and last pages. A resource based economy embraces self-interest to the utmost degree. Your life won't be better unless everyone's life is better. Greed is promoted and rewarded in our current culture to the detriment of a great deal of people and the environment that sustains us. Self interest has nothing to do with unlimited growth and over consumption. |
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there's only the public and the private sectors.
Incorrect. This is an artificial distinction. We share the same planet and the same resources. False authority does not alter this fact. Then tell me what it is. The RBE is not private property and is not public property at the same time. I can't understand it. Can anyone explain this? If we all share property is a commons or public property (we all own it through the state). Is the RBE a commons? Have you heard about the tragedy of the commons? Who makes decisions in the RBE? A super-democratic government? A team of experts elected by merit? A super-computer? Peter Joseph? Honestly, I still prefer to manage the food I eat myself. Or at least be able to chose who produces it. Property is about making decisions about the use of scarce resources. You reject to talk about decision making and property in the RBE system. It doesn't help people to understand it. Maybe not being described as a communist is more important than being understood for some RBE advocates. The point is to remove the escapist fantasy that we have any decision making power at all....to a reality based society that arrives at decisions using rational and scientific information with the relevant values of caring for all current and future people. So we don't have decision making power at all but that reality based society will arrive to decisions. Also the relevant values again. There's no free will but there's natural law, an universal justice, a scientific goodness or whatever you want to call it. Man, you're amazing. Keep on waiting for the angels to come, but don't make any decision meanwhile. I'll be here making decisions on my own (even if there's a logos pulling my puppet strings). Although you can't make decisions, you seem to have decided to avoid certain questions. More accurately, we use the scientific method to arrive at conclusions, upon which decisions are based. Making decisions based on irrational markets or government whims does not allow for optimal outcomes. Relevant values are emergent and discoverable, and does not require divine intervention. I'm sorry you don't yet understand my answers. Maybe you should reexamine the premises of your questions. |
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there's only the public and the private sectors.
Incorrect. This is an artificial distinction. We share the same planet and the same resources. False authority does not alter this fact. Then tell me what it is. The RBE is not private property and is not public property at the same time. I can't understand it. Can anyone explain this? If we all share property is a commons or public property (we all own it through the state). Is the RBE a commons? Have you heard about the tragedy of the commons? Who makes decisions in the RBE? A super-democratic government? A team of experts elected by merit? A super-computer? Peter Joseph? Honestly, I still prefer to manage the food I eat myself. Or at least be able to chose who produces it. Property is about making decisions about the use of scarce resources. You reject to talk about decision making and property in the RBE system. It doesn't help people to understand it. Maybe not being described as a communist is more important than being understood for some RBE advocates. The point is to remove the escapist fantasy that we have any decision making power at all. We are subject to reality, not dictators of it. To ask who makes decisions misses the point of what the ultimate goal is. People who make decisions today are ill informed, manipulated, deceived, corrupted or otherwise mentally impaired by the delusions that we have created in our social order. Removing such delusions of money, property or the idea of "the state" will ultimately give way to a reality based society that arrives at decisions using rational and scientific information with the relevant values of caring for all current and future people. |
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there's only the public and the private sectors.
Incorrect. This is an artificial distinction. We share the same planet and the same resources. False authority does not alter this fact. |
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INJECTION
Here's an idea for critique by the no-money Venus folks. Since there are enough resources available to do anything if required, how about the following suggestion. Make silicon legal tender. This way one of the most abundant and useful resources must always be accepted in the remission of a debt. IE you have abundant money based on an abundant resource.
If someone truly believes that the ideas of the Venus project can work he can voluntarily work on aspects of it. If someone else however does not share their enthusiasm, they can voluntarily opt out but would be obligated to accept what the planners of society view as a highly abundant resource for the remission of debts against them. So now if resources are truly super abundant then it will become evident and if it is not, then that too will become evident.
This idea misses the point entirely. Legal tender is a cultural norm and value that we are trying to move away from. Making an arbitrary material a universal currency does not remove the underlying abusive tendencies associated with such a system. |
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+1 to Atlas, who I hired and partially paid weeks ago to write a short story for me. He ultimately decided to not create the final product, but did refund my payment plus extra.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtd9LUSbBFYThis is the final edit of the recent LA Zeitgeist Movement townhall meeting. The first section gives an excellent overview in broad terms about the movement's goals and premises.
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A good start. Looking forward to a more fully developed client ecosystem.
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Looking forward to seeing a well done ad show up on the tv machine. I agree that bitcoin isn't ready for prime time yet, but these commercials won't be playing in prime time. So it all works out.
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