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1181  Economy / Marketplace / Re: The New Ubitex on: August 08, 2011, 07:48:56 PM
That or a smart phone. Whatever works for you and your trade partner.
1182  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: August 08, 2011, 07:46:51 PM
Excuse my ignorance for not reading through this thread.  I just happened to see that someone had written that "education is hard work."  I had to snicker at that.  I'll allow a caveat for the 'hard' sciences (i.e. those requiring extreme mathematical precision).

Meh, reading one or two EXTREMELY dull and boring 27 page business cases every day, because you have to if you want an understanding of the subject and a nice degree to go with it, is hard work too. Though most of the work performed is for staying awake and not zoning out.

An example of the tedious and unnecessary work being done in service to a monetary system. It is most likely not relevant to sustaining life or the environment.

Yeah, because business is ALL about money, and in NO WAY about resource management. Who will manage the resources in your Resource Based Economy? Artists and poets?

The important question is how, not who.
1183  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: August 08, 2011, 08:57:37 AM
We aren't asking for legislation.
We know that, we are trying to remove the barriers that prevent them from being scaled out and used intelligently for the benefit of all people.
It can automate enough of it to provide the basic needs for all people.
We aren't forcing anyone to do anything. We are building a bottom up movement to help implement change.

Of course not, because the ZM wouldn't have laws, right? It's easier to ask forgiveness than permission.

If you know, why beat a dead horse? How much progress has been made against these 'barriers'? I don't see any that wouldn't be occurring naturally.

Really? There's 'enough' automation? Define 'enough'. Then let me know when robots can pick berries, harvest crops and fluff my pillows.

Bottom up? The entire society has already been designed. That's top-down; it might as well be a dictatorship.

Besides, with this much infighting and idiocy, I'd rather have the bumbling morons George Bush and Gordon Brown running the world. More than enough damage has been done to the entire project to relegate it to fringe nutcase status. Even if Mr. Fresco were to set the story straight, there's no way back. The world will have advanced well beyond his vision by the time ZM/VP find direction.

You do yourself a disservice by supporting the ZM. Do something productive with your time instead. If you absolutely must rally behind a cause, try seasteading.

Laws are irrelevant to solving technical problems.

There's more progress than if we didn't advocate for this direction.

You can find out about these and other types of automation advancements at www.zeitnews.org if you are so inclined.

Fresco's designs are a good place to start, but they are only a start. Improvement is the continuing goal, which is not subject to human opinion.

Difference of opinions between organizations is irrelevant to advocating for a better world for all people, which the current institutions could not and will not support.
1184  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: August 08, 2011, 07:04:05 AM
LightRider - just stop. Anyone can post ideas that have become redundant and stale. If you really want to do the world a service, find what you're good at and do that thing.

Regarding major ZM goals:
  • The problems of the world cannot be legislated away.
  • Most of the ideas put forth have already been implemented.
  • Current technology is not capable of fully automating human labor.
  • Forcing widespread top-down change has proven counter-productive compared to bottom-up development

These issue have been discussed point-by-point here: A Dangerously Outdated Zeitgeist


We aren't asking for legislation.
We know that, we are trying to remove the barriers that prevent them from being scaled out and used intelligently for the benefit of all people.
It can automate enough of it to provide the basic needs for all people.
We aren't forcing anyone to do anything. We are building a bottom up movement to help implement change.
1185  Economy / Economics / Re: A Resource Based Economy on: August 07, 2011, 11:55:39 PM
Excuse my ignorance for not reading through this thread.  I just happened to see that someone had written that "education is hard work."  I had to snicker at that.  I'll allow a caveat for the 'hard' sciences (i.e. those requiring extreme mathematical precision).

Meh, reading one or two EXTREMELY dull and boring 27 page business cases every day, because you have to if you want an understanding of the subject and a nice degree to go with it, is hard work too. Though most of the work performed is for staying awake and not zoning out.

An example of the tedious and unnecessary work being done in service to a monetary system. It is most likely not relevant to sustaining life or the environment.
1186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Any Bitcoiners want to get in touch on Google plus? on: August 07, 2011, 06:43:34 AM
https://plus.google.com/_/notifications/ngemlink?path=%2F%3Fgpinv%3D0a9WobKmkZI%3AeKo6kxGGmXA

Anyone who wants to join Google Plus can click that link for an invite.
1187  Economy / Economics / Re: So I met a guy who makes Algorithmic Trading Programs for High Frequency Trading on: August 06, 2011, 07:30:04 AM
A monetary system will consistently incur corruption, abuse, waste, fraud and destruction. I suggest you look into a resource based economy if you really want to end this class of problem. You can learn more about it at www.thevenusproject.com and www.thezeitgeistmovement.com. Check out the documentary films Zeitgeist: Addendum and Zeitgeist Moving Forward also. As evidenced by recent events, the monetary system is not going to be sustainable in any meaningful time frame.
1188  Economy / Economics / Re: Breaking News U.S Downgraded to AA+! on: August 06, 2011, 01:07:47 AM
The same fuckers who lied about predatory loan ratings and brought you the global financial credit crunch are now giving yet more "opinions" that will negatively affect millions of people and cause more needless suffering.
1189  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: So, who hasn't lost coins or been scammed? on: August 04, 2011, 11:22:26 AM
Haven't lost any, but I have sent bitcoin to my friend at his mybitcoin address, and I'm fairly certain he never moved or used them for anything. His loss.
1190  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Freedom and Responsibility - or: why you FAILED if you lost money in MBC crash on: August 03, 2011, 08:45:42 AM
The only truly valuable things we have are the relationships we develop with other people. Money is ultimately just an idea, and the amplified emotional force of losing it is ultimately a result of the monetary system in which we have developed. Criminal behavior and monetary losses will continue to be ubiquitous until such time as we decide to leave this outdated and increasingly destructive system behind and start using our reason to provide for and care about all of our fellow human beings.

Ultimately, money does not care for or about us. We should stop caring for and about it.
1191  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Ubitex: In-person Bitcoin exchange [EARLY BETA!] [STOCK AVAILABLE] on: August 03, 2011, 08:33:36 AM
I recommend that our lead developer NOT go to a public internet access network and work on sensitive beta code and transact company BTC on it. I trust he's taking appropriate measures.
1192  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Conference 2011 NYC on: August 02, 2011, 09:40:16 AM
Does the recent mybitcoin service disruption have a significant impact on the operation or execution of this conference?
1193  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Important Announcement Regarding the Mybitcoin.com Downtime on: August 02, 2011, 08:14:01 AM
Then the question is who whitelisted him?
1194  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Any Bitcoiners want to get in touch on Google plus? on: August 02, 2011, 07:51:38 AM
https://plus.google.com/113240403624044021859/posts
1195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MyBitcoin.com, the Rabbit & the Alligator - A Lesson of Subterfuge & Deception on: August 02, 2011, 07:47:48 AM
Cool story bro.

Since when do animals talk?
Cheesy
I think it's an Aesop Fable or something.

I know, but people miss the fundamental flaw in the story. They try to shoehorn it into some lesson about the nature of people, but such conversations don't happen, and ultimately people are not like animals that operate purely on instinct. A better story would indicate that people are largely influenced by their environment, and that "human nature" is not as important as human behavior.
1196  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: MyBitcoin.com, the Rabbit & the Alligator - A Lesson of Subterfuge & Deception on: August 02, 2011, 06:39:38 AM
Cool story bro.

Since when do animals talk?
1197  Economy / Economics / Re: So I met a guy who makes Algorithmic Trading Programs for High Frequency Trading on: July 31, 2011, 03:29:54 PM
http://youtu.be/TDaFwnOiKVE
1198  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] BitcoinLocator on: July 30, 2011, 08:09:07 AM
This is a great service for www.Ubitex.org users to advertise on! Thanks!
1199  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BitPonzi: GLBSE pyramid scheme! on: July 28, 2011, 03:57:55 AM
Has anyone heard from cuddlefish lately?
1200  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TradeHill - Why we no longer accept Dwolla and an open letter to Ben Milne on: July 28, 2011, 03:29:05 AM
Quote
"And I think that the unfortunate side is that you know there's an air of uncertainty about Bitcoins as a whole, and I don't think this is probably any exception to that rule," Milne said.

http://www.siliconprairienews.com/2011/07/as-bitcoin-exchanges-drop-dwolla-milne-says-company-stays-focused

Seems like Milne is trying to spread some FUD about bitcoin as opposed to face the issue at hand. Sad really.
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