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1541  Economy / Reputation / Re: 🔥 Vile Vispilio’s Reputational Abuse 🔥 Aspiring to be the Biggest Smear Job on: January 24, 2020, 05:49:18 PM
it took less than 24 hours for me to drop from DT1, and my "trust rating" went from +8 or similar to -2...

Typical cowardly bully.  When you saw my “Full Member” rank, you assumed that I must be smaller than your “Legendary” status—so, you tried to beat me up.  Now, you got whipped bloody; and of course, you are whining about it.  Oh you, the poor victim!  It just couldn’t be that when you show the whole world your shameful true face, the world responds accordingly.  Look in the mirror.

And yes, I think this really is about me.  In JollyGood’s thread about your Yobit-pushing, your maudlin pseudointellectual pretenses, grievous unjustifiable insults, and poor lying skills instantly imploded into full-blown paranoia about a “DT Chipmixer mafia” in reply to my sticking a fork in your fragile bubble of an ego.  (Sorry, DarkStar_ and ChipMixer!  I did not see that coming, especially whereas I am not even in the ChipMixer campaign (!).)

Thus if you have within your wretched little soul even the slightest shred of decency—or, as a practical matter, if you wish enjoy a public shaming and humiliation just a little bit lesser than that which you have already irrevocably bought yourself—I suggest that you lock this thread and carry on the drama elsewhere.  If you do not heed my suggestion, others may; and then, you can talk to yourself here.

I certainly will be carrying on the discussion about you, Vispilio, in the thread that I made for that purpose, q.v.; and I suggest that others do likewise.  Transplant of divergent topics via quoting across threads is a great forum feature!

If you have any further crackpot wild allegations, “poor me” victim-mentality whining, or arbitrary insults, then for my part, I don’t mind either letting you have the last word on this thread, or replying to you elsewhere; and that is exactly what I will do, unless either others keep replying to you, or I somehow deem it beneficial based on quite unlikely reasons.  I will be gone for a few days anyway.

Cheers to the other folks here.

This topic is just disgusting.
1542  Economy / Reputation / Re: yahoo62278 and Yobit on: January 24, 2020, 05:14:04 PM
The following is the substantive content of a PM that I recently sent, lightly edited for privacy and small bugfixes.  It is still raw and conversational; but it sets forth my position with a clarity which I believe should be made of record.

And for the record, almost immediately after I opened this topic, I did PM a link to yahoo62278 as a courtesy.  If he wants to respond to what I have said about him, then in all fairness, I would want to see that.  Whereas if he chooses not to reply, well—my objective here is about Yobit, so we’ll see about Yobit.

I will now wrap up a few other things, and then take a few days’ forum break.  When I return, I will check to see whether or not Yobit really just suddenly disappeared in a puff of smoke, as if inexplicably smitten by the rage of the gods.

Moderation note:  I will soon archive this page, then delete an idiotic zero-substance post as off-topic.



Thanks for your analysis.  I think that I can best explain whence I come by explaining how I arrived at this point, so to speak.  Why am I, of all people, suddenly keying in on Yobit when I have bigger fish to fry Re: Project Anastasia, etc.?

I actually knew nothing about Yobit, until a few weeks ago.  Whilst catching up after my long “sleep”, I happened across some of o_e_l_e_o’s posts incisively sticking a fork in Investbox, the same way he did to alia’s allegedly EV+ gambling script scam.  This first made me aware that Yobit is a scam site—and it’s a scam site per se:  You know that the Gambling forum would never accept the excuse that a site offers some services with non-mathematically-impossible claims, if some of its games (and indeed, its heavily-pushed flagship games) boldly claim EV+ when they are not.

I think that’s a fine analogy, when Yobit’s defenders seem to like to claim that it’s just a gambling site which happens to call itself an “investment” site or an “exchange”.  OK:  Set aside that that would be blatantly false advertising.  Let’s apply the same standards that we apply to gambling sites—and apply those standards to the site as a whole, as would be done to a partly-scamming (and wholly sleazy) gambling site!

After I became aware of Yobit’s nature as a Ponzi shop, I noticed that I was withholding or minimizing merits on good posts due to the Yobit signature.  Yes.  Thus, this is not correct, or at least, is not seeing the forest for the trees:

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...in the case of Yobit where most of the participants are farmed sockpuppets anyway...

Due to this, I gave johhnyUA only a +1 (and a terse reply) on a post that I otherwise would have bombed with +10:  He was the first to publicly call for a PGP-signed statement from me after my 20-month absence, at a time when Faketoshi is a big issue needing more public awareness that you must always demand a digital signature at the threshold.  (That gets my respect, johhny!  Except for the “free YoDollars” ad. Edit 2020-01-27:  I noticed that johhny removed his Yobit ad, and is currently wearing an unpaid signature promoting Bitcoin ideals and privacy.  I have accordingly topped that post up to a total of 10 merits, as I originally thought it deserved.  WHEN IN DOUBT, ALWAYS DEMAND A DIGITAL SIGNATURE!)  And I have flatly ignored some good posts by him and others:  Not only not merited them, but attempted to avoid replying.  My plan has been to post a PSA thread, PM it around on friendly terms to people whom I actually otherwise appreciate, publicize it with my unique Nullian knack for that, and then, on principle, tag the hell out of anybody still wearing a Yobit signature of any kind.  —Hopefully with some DTs onboard, though that is not a strict necessity for me.

I am not only concerned about cleaning up spam.  Shitposters give little credibility to the ads beneath their drivel.  Whereas for reasons (or perhaps, unreasons) which perplex me, there are people in the Yobit campaign who are advertising Yobit on good posts—on posts with substance, which people may actually read and like.

This gives Yobit credibility.  That credibility will, in turn, seduce newbies and casual users who know exactly as much about Yobit as I did three weeks ago, and who will not know (as I do) how to check reputation before “investing”.  The good users in Yobit’s campaign make the whole thing worse!

Having reached that point, I rammed head-on into the yahoo problem.

I do NOT buy the argument that it’s better to have yahoo running a scam-ad campaign for spam-control purposes.  In terms of actual harm, that is tantamount to saying that if a drug-pusher will be on the corner next to a schoolyard, it’s better to have a drug-pusher who politely checks ID for 18+.  Excuse me for being underwhelmed.

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Of course another option is to go after yahoo directly, coerce him to abandon the campaign...

yahoo is running a campaign for a site that runs Ponzis.  Period.  He is wreathing them in his own credibility, which is cheapened accordingly—and he is wearing their signature himself, as a DT-sized human shield so that nobody can mass-tag Yobit advertisers without potentially igniting a DT war.

I will reserve further exploring my opinions on what that makes me think of yahoo himself.  Though I would not be deterred by the inevitability of drama, I don’t want the drama—and if I did, Faketoshi has more of it anyway, with the added “benefit” of being so much slimier and more disgusting.

PEOPLE ARE LOSING MONEY BECAUSE OF THIS.  People are clicking those ads, clicking on the “free Yodollars!” that some here seem to be thoughtlessly accepting, and getting sucked into the “Investbox”.  If you suppose that just distrusting X10/Investbox signatures is adequate, then Yobit’s shell game has you fooled just like they are fooling their “investors”.



You know that I am a loose cannon, even moreso than Lauda.  In the long term, I do not intend to let this go; and there is no way to shut me up, short of me being banned for stating true facts and persuasive arguments in an appropriately courteous and professional manner (if deserved by the target of my exposition).  Hey, I suppose that Vispilio can dream; well, all he has achieved is to very much not improve my existing mood toward Yobit and its supporters.

I hope that we can find a suitable means to achieve the objective of actually obliterating Yobit ads, i.e. per se scam ads, from the forum entirely—not merely keeping them under yahoo’s control and thus, under his shield.  I am dipping my toe in the water here, but I don’t mind diving when I have the time for it; and although I often seem to fall behind on my own threads, I am a patient man who is in it for the long haul, not the drama splash.

Cheers.
1543  Economy / Reputation / Re: ~Vispilio, the Yobit scam defender who will smear your business if you don’t pay on: January 24, 2020, 12:06:15 PM
In addition to some replies to others that I have been collecting, I have intended to update this thread with reference to the following:

This topic is negative PR and defamation.

Everybody else already explained the obvious:  Why Vispilio is wrong.  You just hit the deeper implications.

A warning to business owners and managers:  Avoid Vispilio like plague.  He has hereby clearly demonstrated that if he does not get the deal he wants from you, then he will wage a defamatory public smear campaign screaming that you are “racist” (!), and demanding that theymos intervene in your private business affairs (!!).  If you are ever approached by Vispilio for a deal of any kind, please read what he himself says in this thread—and then decline all contact with him as firmly and cleanly as practicable, for your own protection!

I will be red-tagging Vispilio again for this reason, with this post as the reference.  I suggest that others do the same.  I will further consider tagging some of his supporters on this thread, for the same reason.

When time permits, I will update my active Reputation thread about Vispilio (q.v.) with appropriate quotes and cross-references.



ChipMixer does not deserve this.

DarkStar_ does not deserve this.

They are both good, honest people.  A despicable cretin is opportunistically exploiting the moment of a scandal which does not involve them, and attempting to drag them as innocent bystanders into a crossfire with his own addition of smear-job accusations against them.  Said cretin’s transparently malicious motive:  Revenge for not being given a business deal.  The whole situation is not only wrong:  It is sick and sickening.

Now, with the audacity to accuse me of his own sins, #982288 “Vispilio” left me negative trust feedback dated 2020-01-24 with my post condemning his financially motivated smear campaign against ChipMixer/DarkStar_ as the “Reference” link:

Quote from: Vispilio
Trying to silence dissenting opinions in the forum by conducting financially damaging black propaganda operations.

The pure vitriol and bile in most of this "plague"-infested obvious alt account's msgs should remind admin of a master criminal he personally blacklisted from the Trust system about a year ago...

In the referenced post, as quoted above, I promised forthcoming negative feedback that I have not yet made due to time constraints.  (Those who read my posts may guess how much time it takes me to squeeze a summary of the issues into a length limit unknown to me, which seems to have been recently imposed.)  It is obvious that Vispilio’s negative feedback is a sort of advance retaliation to preempt my promised new red-tag, and not the inverse.

I will later update the referenced post accordingly, after collecting some other relevant evidence.  Of course, I will first archive the unedited original.

Thus Vispilio, a DT1 (for now), has chosen to up the ante by targeting me specifically for my calling him out on how he wages reputational warfare against innocent parties to get revenge out of petty spite, because they didn’t give him what he calls “lucrative bounties”.

Simple prudence suggests categorically avoiding Vispilio.  You don’t want for him to do to your business what he has insanely attempted to do to DarkStar_, ChipMixer, and their advertisers, whom Vispilio calls the “DT Chipmixer mafia”.

And inquiring minds must wonder, just how in the hell did this lunatic get into DT1, and why is he still there?

And... he is a merit source!?



Further replies to some others will be forthcoming when time permits.  I got held up writing a long, somewhat tangential essay on culture which I will very briefly abstract as follows:

DireWolfM14, without giving myself away too much, I myself am generally sort of a bit approximately Asiatic.  Thus, I may perhaps understand the use of rhetorical hyperbole and rhetorical understatement which may seem extreme to some others.  (I myself usually weave it into European satire, but not always; check my post history!)  And in a way incomprehensible to your white Western neighbours in Commiefornia, I also understand the visceral impact to anyone whose culture honours ancestors of Vispilio’s insult to you—or the soul-striking force when I say, “Vispilio, the disgrace of your dishonour so shames your forefathers of the past thousand years that they would rather have been made eunuchs than become your sire,—and makes a thousand years of your foremothers weep with sorrow that they ever impurified themselves by birthing the likes of you!”
1544  Economy / Reputation / Re: 🔥 Vile Vispilio’s Reputational Abuse 🔥 Aspiring to be the Biggest Smear Job on: January 24, 2020, 12:02:41 PM
With the audacity to accuse me of his own sins, #982288 “Vispilio” left me negative trust feedback dated 2020-01-24 with my post condemning his financially motivated smear campaign against ChipMixer/DarkStar_ as the “Reference” link:

Quote from: Vispilio
Trying to silence dissenting opinions in the forum by conducting financially damaging black propaganda operations.

The pure vitriol and bile in most of this "plague"-infested obvious alt account's msgs should remind admin of a master criminal he personally blacklisted from the Trust system about a year ago...

In the referenced post, I promised forthcoming negative feedback that I have not yet made due to time constraints.  (Those who read my posts may guess how much time it takes me to squeeze a summary of the issues into a length limit unknown to me, which seems to have been recently imposed.)  It is obvious that Vispilio’s negative feedback is a sort of advance retaliation to preempt my promised new red-tag, and not the inverse.

I will later update the referenced post accordingly, after collecting some other relevant evidence.  Of course, I will first archive the unedited original.

Please direct any further discussion of this particular issue to my Reputation thread about Vispilio, where it is on-topic.  This is a Vispilio issue, which properly should have nothing to do with ChipMixer and DarkStar_.  They are innocent parties whom Vispilio is trying to damage out of petty spite because they didn’t give him what he calls a “lucrative bounty”; and I think it’s unfortunate that this thread needs to be bumped, to inform those watching it that Vispilio, a DT1 (for now), has chosen to up the ante by targeting me for calling him out on what he did here.  Thank you.

This topic is just disgusting.

Edit:  P.S., thanks, Lauda.  I was preparing to post about this on the more relevant thread simultaneously, q.v., and you hit this issue faster.  The cat strikes with Lightning speed!
1545  Economy / Reputation / Re: 🔥 Vile Chipmixer Bounty Abuse 🔥 Probably the Biggest Con Job on Bitcointalk on: January 24, 2020, 03:05:34 AM
I love that it's my gang now. Cat's not gonna be happy.

Get ready for your red trust!  Hiss!

....oh, fork, did I just inadvertently post this from my “nullius” account?

Do you know if I can use my bizarre influence (it's a Jedi thing BTW) to get DarkStar_ to raise my pay rate to 1 BTC per post?

QUOTED, as PROOF that the DT Chipmixer Mafia is only here for the lucrative bounties!  1 BTC per post, you demand!  The DT Chipmixer Mafia is just that greedy!

Now, can I exercise a Nullian Bitcoin Wizard trick to psychically insert into people’s minds the idea that it’s best to locally ignore Vispilio here for awhile?  So, he has a smear thread against good people, and other good people have told him that he’s wrong, and he can keep talking to himself here if he wants to produce of his combined more delusions of grandeur and delusions of persecution.  It gets boring after awhile.  Whereas for those who may want to talk to him, or better yet, talk about him, other threads are probably more appropriate unless someone has something very interesting to say which is specifically relevant to this thread.

Note loophole that applies to me, too.  Not to be interpreted liberally.

Just my two satoshis—and I can’t afford more, because Darkstar_ is getting his piece of my signature for free.  I’m not like you, suchmoon, with your 1 BTC per post price plus whatever sarcasm is paying you for covertly sarcastic operations.  Rich, spoiled mafia brat.

This topic is just disgusting.
1546  Economy / Reputation / Re: 🔥 Vile Vispilio’s Reputational Abuse 🔥 Aspiring to be the Biggest Smear Job on: January 24, 2020, 01:01:07 AM
Who is nullius?


so what's the result? I can't translate that much text Cheesy

The thread which suchmoon linked was started by my fans without my involvement.  From page 5 thereof, here is some fan art to answer your question:  I am a “WANTED” man, a “smartass, threatener, Bitcoin wizard, and politically incorrect Copper Member”.  Credit:  Regana.  Oh, and I have a “cult following”.

Put it on imgur and post the link...


Wise.


https://imgur.com/a/1CLXK

Let me tell you, doesn't have the same effect than a thumbnail, but should work  Roll Eyes

Here you go, bud.


In the spirit of nullius having a cult following, I would've preferred the follow depicting the question mark ...




This topic is just disgusting.

Indeed.  That is why I put talk about myself up top here:  It’s wise to smile a bit before addressing Vispilio’s latest version of his crackpot argument.

Vispilio should put himself on ignore.

Perhaps he took your advice, but he still lack self-discipline?



Assuming the grounds of Vispilio’s latest post arguendo, just to save time quibbling over irrelevant bits of incorrectness:

Imagine the level of crypto enthusiasm originating from Turkish sources then, and decide for yourself whether it's a good business decision to include some Turkish members on a mixer campaign,

Boldface supplied.  Why, what an apparent change of tune from accusing DarkStar_ and/or ChipMixer of “racism” and demanding that theymos somehow dictate their business!

who, if I'm not mistaken, also wears the hat of forum treasurer, which poses a conflict of interest for a number of political reasons...

Or maybe not.  That is a paranoid ideation which makes no sense in the manner of, “It’s not right!  It’s not even wrong!”



Hahaha
your man yahoo left me unemployed

Yobit campaign was your only job?

I hear that there is this place called “Cryptotalk” which “pays for every post”.

...and I have a small conspiracy theory that it was founded by élite Bitcoin Forum members, for the purpose of protecting the Bitcoin Forum by siphoning off all the spammers.  It would work best if they “pay for every post” in Yodollars; do they?  I have not checked.

So, what do you say, wolwoo?  The Bitcoin Forum is not paying off for your quality of efforts; perhaps you and your friends should try “Cryptotalk” instead? ;-)



Figure out something else you're good at and make additional income from that. You will not get paid for posting on the forum. The only reason you got into Yobit campaign is because there was no application process. Any decent campaign that screens applicants won't accept you.

you cannot tell him where he should go seek his fortunes from, you are just a forum member here, not the de facto owner of Bitcointalk  Grin

For my part, I can and will tell him whatever I please.

(And I was obviously working on the above before you posted.)

or at least that should and would  be the case if it wasn't for your army of vitriolic sockpuppets frothing over their rabid mouths to assassinate everyone who disagrees with you on this forum,

that's why admin and staff must stop you, and your conspiratorial close buddies, who keep coming back with alt-accounts even after theymos personally implores everyone to exclude them...

Look in the mirror.

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies


I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of

I will teach you such a lesson.  And I will do it with the power of words.
1547  Economy / Reputation / 🔥 Vile Vispilio’s Reputational Abuse 🔥 Aspiring to be the Biggest Smear Job on: January 23, 2020, 10:07:08 PM
This topic is negative PR and defamation.

Everybody else already explained the obvious:  Why Vispilio is wrong.  You just hit the deeper implications.

A warning to business owners and managers:  Avoid Vispilio like plague.  He has hereby clearly demonstrated that if he does not get the deal he wants from you, then he will wage a defamatory public smear campaign screaming that you are “racist” (!), and demanding that theymos intervene in your private business affairs (!!).  If you are ever approached by Vispilio for a deal of any kind, please read what he himself says in this thread—and then decline all contact with him as firmly and cleanly as practicable, for your own protection!

I will be red-tagging Vispilio again for this reason, with this post as the reference.  I suggest that others do the same.  I will further consider tagging some of his supporters on this thread, for the same reason.

When time permits, I will update my active Reputation thread about Vispilio (q.v.) with appropriate quotes and cross-references.



ChipMixer does not deserve this.

DarkStar_ does not deserve this.

They are both good, honest people.  A despicable cretin is opportunistically exploiting the moment of a scandal which does not involve them, and attempting to drag them as innocent bystanders into a crossfire with his own addition of smear-job accusations against them.  Said cretin’s transparently malicious motive:  Revenge for not being given a business deal.  The whole situation is not only wrong:  It is sick and sickening.

I say this as someone who has no interest in joining the paid ChipMixer signature ad campaign.  If DarkStar_ were to offer me a slot today, then I would politely decline it for the reason that I do not wish to take a paid signature at this time.  As I have stated before in public (and in private communications with several different campaign managers), I don’t absolutely promise that I will never take a paid signature—I am not rich; it would be imprudent of me to totally foreclose that opportunity.  But I am very reluctant to ever take a paid signature; and nothing will foreseeably change that.

I have nothing against good posters who take paid ads.  I thank DarkStar_ for running the ChipMixer campaign in a way that benefits the forum by paying top money for top quality—and I appreciate that ChipMixer is essentially funding good forum contributions as part of its advertising model.  I just want to avoid a paid ad myself; and besides, if I were to take a signature ad, then where would I put my beloved PGP identity-key fingerprint?



This space is reserved for any edits that in the future may be necessary to add information supporting my forthcoming new negative trust feedback on Vispilio.  If I substantively edit this post, then I will first archive it, and also add the archival link here for versioning purposes.
1548  Economy / Reputation / Re: Should DT and Merit Source Members Be Promoting A Known Scam? on: January 23, 2020, 09:01:52 PM
Isn't Yahoo DT member and Yobit campaign manager also?
People are talking bad about everyone else except about Yahoo, that is something like taboo Smiley

Good point.  New topic addressing this issue directly:  yahoo62278 and Yobit, q.v.

I don't like yobit, but I think opening so many topics about it you give it free advertisement.

Though you are correct, I think that’s a small price to pay in the short term if we can stop Yobit scam advertising permanently.
1549  Economy / Reputation / Re: Abusing merit system and Yobit campaign. on: January 23, 2020, 08:57:29 PM
@yahoo62278

yahoo62278 is the precise reason why, as I hinted in some of my recent posts, I had been quietly planning and trying to figure out some way to handle this with minimal drama.  Well, the cat’s out of the bag.  And yes, you and a very few others in this and other recent threads are correct:  This is the crux of the issue, and nobody wants to talk about it.  I don’t suppose the Yobit scam would still have any traction here without yahoo62278’s support.

New topic addressing this issue directly:  yahoo62278 and Yobit, q.v.
1550  Economy / Reputation / Re: yahoo62278 and Yobit on: January 23, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Forward references:

1551  Economy / Reputation / yahoo62278 and Yobit on: January 23, 2020, 08:50:00 PM
In several recent posts, I have vaguely alluded to quiet, behind-the-scenes preparations that I was making to take on the Yobit scam.  My planning was preempted by such public outrage as has been brewing for months, but only broke forth with force within the past 24 hours.

For my part, I am sick of seeing the Yobit scam-company not only advertised, but inexplicably advertised by many decent, otherwise respectable posters.  This last is a significant problem for the health of the forum, insofar as it gives the Yobit ads more credibility than garden-variety sigspam.  And I know that I am not the only one who wants to stop this!

But my planning on this point ran into a significant problem.

Whilst catching up and researching the topic, I noticed that yahoo62278 is currently wearing a Yobit ad.  On the basis of mere common sense, I doubt that that is for the principal purpose of receiving direct payment for the ad; that would be relative chump change for someone whom I reasonably infer must have a long-term business relationship with Yobit.

yahoo62278’s own profile “Yobit Yodollars” signature has the effect of making it wrongly socially acceptable to advertise a scam site; and as a practical matter, others wearing Yobit ads now cannot be tagged without, in fairness, also tagging yahoo62278, plus potentially ~excluding him to help support a mass-tagging action.

I have no quarrel with yahoo, and I don’t want one.  However, the Yobit scam advertising must be stopped one way or another; and whereas I recently said that Yobit advertisers will make their own choices and bear their own consequences, yahoo62278 cannot expect special treatment.  Indeed, such a highly respected forum member must be held to the highest standards.

yahoo62278’s general dealings with Yobit, and the impact thereof on this forum, may present further issues.  I will simply start with the foregoing.



Note:  Archive sites are misbehaving from where I sit.  I think that my pertinent snapshots will eventually show up; I may thereupon edit this post to add appropriate links, and/or to add other links.  Of course, if I substantively edit this, I will first archive it.

Local rules:  To be moderated in my sound discretion.  I believe that in the foregoing, I have set an appropriate tone for addressing a serious problem involving a widely trusted forum member.
1552  Economy / Reputation / Preliminary proto-PSA: “Friends don’t let friends do Yobit.” on: January 23, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
...then I'd issue a mass PM to every single person wearing their Signature and would point out:
  • Evidences and cases of their scams.
  • The consensus of the community that advertising any scams is unacceptable, or particularly in this case that advertising Yobit is unacceptable.

I myself drafted a “PSA [public service announcement]” type post to give Yobit advertisers fair warning, with a request therein that others bring it to the attention of those whom they know.  “Friends don’t let friends do Yobit.”  And on my part, that is not mere rhetoric:  I see too many people whom I otherwise respect wearing Yobit ads!  I intended to make my “PSA” post, then PM it to them on not other than an amicable basis.

I have been independently working on this issue for some time, and kept quiet about it for reasons which I do not yet care to discuss publicly.  For my part, I am a loose cannon even worse than you—I want a DT consensus, but I will not myself promise to obey such a thing or the lack thereof.  My principal concern is to put Yobit advertisers on notice, such that all know or should know they are advertising a scam site.  Then, each must make his own choices, and bear his own consequences.  That said, I certainly respect your stand for keeping the forum peace (or at least, minimizing the inevitable drama)—and I think your reasoning is quite sound.
1553  Economy / Reputation / Yobit is not a gambling site; claims EV+; would be scam-tagged on gambling forum on: January 23, 2020, 04:10:18 PM
The same example with your signature - noone is forced to use gambling, but without brain anyone will obvious lost all his money. There is not any chance to "win" in long distance. Despite some idiots telling another.

So mu view is clear: Invest box is scam, but Yobit itself it's not. It's the same as gambling. If you have conscience to advertise gambling, when i will advertise Yobit.

The analogy is not admissible, for two reasons:

(1) Yobit is almost like a gambling site which promises EV+, and most especially promises extreme EV+ on “Investbox”.  I say “almost”, because it is worse:  A typical provably-fair gambling site has a house edge of only around 1%, and thus makes a far superior “investment”.

Gambling scams should and do get busted.  You will note that on my ultraconservative trust list, I have included a forum member whom I have not seen involved in DT politics, and who indeed is little-known outside the Development & Technology forum and the gambling-related forums.  Some gambling sites are scams that make arithmetically impossible claims.  RGBKey has a strong history of tearing those apart with his technical acumen; and he is a promoter of provably fair gambling.

My very first involvement with Bitcoin gambling was when RGBKey red-tagged the later-banned user alia for promoting an allegedly EV+ gambling script.  That was a scam.

Gambling sites which honestly do what they say on the tin are not scams, not even remotely comparable to Yobit; and to call Yobit a “gambling site” is an unwarranted calumny against actual gambling sites.

(2) Yobit does not call itself a gambling site!  The label it puts on itself is critical.  Words have meanings.  “Gambling” means gambling.  Any gambling site which does not call itself “gambling” is, ipso facto, a scam.



Your argument boils down to:  Yobit is tantamount to a non-provably-fair quasi-gambling site which does not call itself a gambling site, but instead invites “investment” with claims of EV+.  Scam, scam, scam.

If Yobit tried their claims on the gambling forum, they would immediately be red-tagged to hell by gambling-scam busters.

And it does not matter if Yobit may offer some services which a shrewd person may use without getting cheated.  An actual gambling site which offered some honest services, and some purportedly EV+ gambling would be called a scam site in total.  So, you began the comparison—I suggest that you complete it by applying the same standards as the gambling forum would use!  The unavoidable result of this analysis is that advertising Yobit in any way is advertising a scam site.


Will have other replies here and elsewhere...
1554  Economy / Reputation / Vispilio drops the mask on his unspeakable shame on: January 23, 2020, 08:56:38 AM
Note the timestamps.  The desperate little boy who impugns the “manhood” of others lacks even the self-control to keep me on ignore.

https://web.archive.org/web/20200123074933/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0#msg53678428
~~~ sockpuppet with extreme butthurt joining the crusade against intellect and virtue on this forum

[...]

Ignored,

https://web.archive.org/web/20200123080645/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219538.60#msg53679268
~~~ unemployed virgin imbecile begging for attention as per usual

Don't pollute threads with your off-topic inferiority complex nullius,

I know you get sexual pleasure from being intellectually overwhelmed, it's the closest substitute you can find for the real orgasms you must be desperately craving  Smiley,

but we have much better things to do, so you'll have to go beg someone else. Bye.

And Vispilio, please keep your sick homoerotic fantasies to yourself.

it might make a man out of you yet

Also, don’t dish out extremely personal attacks if you can’t take them.  You insulted another man’s honour before his ancestors while threatening him, you insulted another man’s manhood, you insulted the intelligence of one of the forum’s high-intelligence moonstars—and you do all that, to “sell your soul” for a few scam Yodollars!  Whereas now, I will hold up a mirror to show what you most fear, your true face.  Just look above, at what you are revealing about yourself—the shame you reveal in public!  Disgusting.

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies


I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of

I will teach you such a lesson.  And I will do it with the power of words.
1555  Economy / Reputation / Re: ~Vispilio, the pseudointellectual poetaster who abuses Nietzsche, defends Yobit on: January 23, 2020, 07:48:26 AM
Do not trust Vispilio’s philosophic opinions. 

 Roll Eyes

You are really going to tag someone over an interpritation of a philosophical quote?
Red trust isn't some funny game..

If you failed to perpend the active defence of the Yobit scam, the violent threat, etc., etc., etc., then “this is your opportunity to show some humility” by rereading—this time, with a dictionary.

Also fit for tagging is what I didn’t see fit to reiterate because I quoted it at length:  To suchmoon’s accusation that he is “unable to separate opinion from fact” in his own trust feedback, Vispilio replied that “everything is an opinion when it comes to moral judgement”.  And then, he backed that with a cherry-picked Nietzsche quote that he probably found on some Internet quote site.  He is untrustworthy.

Anyway, yes, I reserve the right to tag the hell out of idiots who abuse Nietzsche.  Please feel free to cherry-pick that somewhere out of context, per your usual habit.

http://archive.is/PqMfK
[Saved from https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0 at 23 Jan 2020 06:26:08 UTC. — nullius]

Was that supposed to be some sort of a message?

If so, too bad that I beat you to it by an hour and twenty minutes:

https://web.archive.org/web/20200123050641/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5219981.0



Welcome ChipMixer GANGS

Hereto unstated local rule:  I will permit one clown post, if and only if it is so bizarrely stupid as to sufficiently amuse me.  This barely qualified; any more will be trashed.
1556  Economy / Reputation / Vispilio, brave defender of the Yobit scam, vs. that awful “DT Chipmixer mafia” on: January 23, 2020, 07:07:36 AM
Behold!  An extreme “I didn’t get what I wanted!” tantrum which is slightly more interesting than a mundane sigspammer whine, because it emits from a current DT1 member (!) who, let me get this straight, is a merit source (!!) with high status on a local forum?

the main underlying reason they are picking on me is because I was a top candidate for Chipmixer, and the DT Chipmixer mafia wants only their own people or alt accounts to benefit from that lucrative bounty...

No one in his right mind can agree with any of the insane babble produced on this thread, yet you have long standing DT members frothing over their mouths in league with NPC trolls going so far as calling me "beyond diabolical", etc.  Grin

[—further rambling snipped—]

No, you paranoid doofus, the reason why people are “picking on you” is that you are a pretentious little twit who defends the Yobit scam, insults the intelligence of people who are smarter than you, makes empty violent threats, insults others’ manhood and honour whereas you have neither, and—worst of all, in my opinion—covers for it all with childish misquotes of Nietzsche.

Unlike liberals, I do not so lightly make accusations of mental defect.  An adequate working definition of paranoia is the combination of:

  • Delusions of grandeur:  Falsely believing yourself to be fantastically much greater than you actually are in reality.  (Protip:  Those who are actually grand needn’t desperately posture with hollow pretenses as you do.)
  • Delusions of persecution:  Constructing in your mind some unrealistic scenario in which everybody is out to get you—and naturally, “they” are all out to get you because you are so great!  (I heard that the “DT Chipmixer mafia” is only a front for NSA reptilians on this forum; and you, the great Vispilio, have been targeted by them due to their discovery of your secret stolen birthright as King of the World.)

If you are actually convinced that a “DT Chipmixer mafia” is “picking on you” with “alt accounts” and “NPC trolls” to prevent the great Vispilio from attaining a coveted Chipmixer slot, then you are crazy; and your ideations about your perceived persecutors “frothing over their mouths” with “insane babble” is merely a projection of your own psychosis.

Or, I have an alternative hypothesis:  You are not only a liar, but a dumb one; thus alas!  The “Chipmixer mafia” theory is the best story that you can devise.  So, which is it?  Are you delusional, or are you so pitiful a wretch that you can’t even weave a plausible tall tale?  Not that I think those options are mutually exclusive!

It's really a very petty circus and a disgrace to a once great forum who now sees some of its seemingly most trusted members sell their souls for a few dollars...

Take it from the only person on this forum who is currently wearing an unpaid Chipmixer ad on principle, as a loose-cannon publicity stunt to promote privacy.  (My signature is not approved by DarkStar_ or ChipMixer; though I somehow doubt they disapprove, either.)  —One who, moreover, has casually told several campaign managers that I am moderately uninterested in ever having a paid ad of any kind.

It is quite revealing that in your small mind, you are only capable of imagining that everyone is only here for a “lucrative bounty”.
1557  Economy / Reputation / Re: ~Vispilio, the pseudointellectual poetaster who abuses Nietzsche, defends Yobit on: January 23, 2020, 05:04:12 AM
You are right until the end, I would have used Charles Bukowski in my arguments and would have made solid swear words.

I wondered whether you simply have a very subtle sense of humour...

Who is Nietzsche? an ordinary thinker ...

...until I realized that you are just trolling me.



~~~ sockpuppet with extreme butthurt joining the crusade against intellect and virtue on this forum

I would be mildly curious about my alleged identity, but these sockpuppet accusations wax boring:  My style is inimitable; and on the other side of the coin, I am unable to conceal it.  Attempts at sockplay would thus be for me quite foolish.

As for “intellect and virtue” (whereas “virtue” in its original sense meant manly excellence), the most intellectual response that your crude, childish tantrum deserves is:  LOL.

what else can you do about it nullius, besides scheming with your NPC troll buddies and joining them in writing slanderous novellas on an internet forum,

It is unsurprising that the petty charlatan who botched Nietzsche so as to lecture suchmoon on “the intricacies of ontology” lacks the literacy to do other than whine about my “novellas”.

remove your totally nonsense rating of me,

I assure you that it will remain exactly where it is at least until either Hell freezes over, or I mine a Bitcoin block on my Raspberry Pi.  Per Nietzsche’s master-morality, it is a judgment of you as a person, remember?  Now, whyever do you suppose that I would heed the peremptory demand of a despicable dolt who covers his stupidity with pseudointellectual pretense, his cowardice with empty Internet threats toward a man whom he knows he will never need to face, his dishonour with insults to others’ manhood, and his shameful promotion of the Yobit scam with criminal-minded dissimulation?

and stop quoting Nietzsche, there is not a single sentence in his writings that was designed for formless, anonymous cowards like you...

Rich words for one who handles Nietzsche with all the finesse of a teenager in a “God is dead” T-shirt.

Ignored,

’Tis an old rule of mine that those who don’t want me, don’t deserve me.  As a practical matter, that serves as a filter to save me from wasting time on my inferiors.
1558  Economy / Reputation / ~Vispilio, the Yobit scam defender who will smear your business if you don’t pay on: January 23, 2020, 04:01:54 AM
I have been examining the Yobit scam.  Although I am not yet ready to speak on the topic itself, I observe that it has hit a new low (with brazen-faced boldface in the original):

Nothing to do with retaliation, everything written there is the absolute truth, try it sometime, it might make a man out of you yet marlboroza... Good Luck

Your rating is bullshit. There are no "irrefutable flags" that JollyGood's criticism of Yobit will cause financial damage. You seem to be unable to separate opinion from fact, not a good trait for a DT member.

In principle, it is irrefutable. There is a difference between theory and practice. The full disclosure of malicious intent is sufficient to warrant a negative feedback.

When you think about it, everything is an opinion when it comes to moral judgement.

"There are no moral phenomena, only a moral interpretation of phenomena" (one of the strongest quotes from Beyond Good and Evil)

Based on past observations, I don't expect a petty spiteful manipulator like you to understand the intricacies of ontology, but I hope you can at least use your energies to improve your intellectual faculties a bit for the well being of this forum, as theymos seems to so far have placed an inexplicably high amount of trust in you...

For an education, see the trust feedback with which I tagged #982288 “Vispilio” on 2020-01-23 (archival reference link):

Quote from: nullius
Pseudointellectual poetaster who abuses Nietzsche for the purpose of defending the Yobit scam.  Despicable!  “Let it at once be noted that in this first kind of morality [MASTER-MORALITY] the antithesis ’good’ and “bad” means practically the same as ‘noble’ and ‘despicable’,—the antithesis ‘good’ and ‘EVIL’ is of a different origin.  ...it is a fundamental belief of all aristocrats that the common people are untruthful.  ‘We truthful ones’—the nobility in ancient Greece called themselves.” — Nietzsche, *Beyond Good and Evil*, Aphorism 260.

Do not trust Vispilio’s philosophic opinions.  Also, do not trust the honesty of a Yobit defender.  —Also, ~Vispilio.

Moreover, this time with boldface added, re:

[...]

[...]

Your Middle Eastern ancestors would spit on your face if they knew you would stoop to dishonorable lies for a few dollars more,
and I promise you I would teach you a lesson that your ancestors would be proud of, if you were to try any of this duplicitous bullshit in person, Mr. DireHyena...

...and:

Nothing to do with retaliation, everything written there is the absolute truth, try it sometime, it might make a man out of you yet marlboroza... Good Luck

Please be advised that my rating is of you in yourself, not only of your actions.  For, “It is obvious that everywhere the designations of moral value were at first applied to MEN; and were only derivatively and at a later period applied to ACTIONS...”  (Nietzsche, ibid.)  You have no honour, Vispilio.  You make empty Internet tough-guy threats, the hallmark of a coward.  You quote Nietzsche in the same manner as an unguided youth who just discovered him in an Internet quotebook.  You are not a man.

Now, stop talking down to your betters; stop insulting the manhood of others, if that’s a concept you wish to ever learn about; stop abusing Nietzsche, whose philosophy you are manifestly incapable of comprehending; and stop supporting an infamous scam!
1559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Protip: Communism is also called “Internationalism” on: January 22, 2020, 11:16:32 PM
[—cogent post quoted fully, newbie-style without excerpting, and not addressed by the reply—]

so there are still people that want to return to tribal, national and race based world view? don't they know what happened in germany? in the last century?

Godwin in one!  So, I pointed out that Communism is also called “Internationalism”, and you are ignorant (or, I now suspect, willfully misrepresenting Communism).  You replied by ignoring what I said, and clearly insinuating a cry of “Nazi!”

Well, I am so sorry to disappoint you, my NSDAP Gold Party Badge was revoked on grounds that I am not actually Aryan.  I am not even white, though maybe I could “pass” if I wanted to; I don’t want to, because I see white people as fluffy white sheep infected with liberalism.  (The exceptions, them’s the good ones!)  Thus alas, if you want to play the “racist” card, then according to your own rules, I can play the race card.  Check your privilege before you make microaggressive assumptions about the person behind a nym.  Or are you saying that non-whites are incapable of knowing more facts about Communism than you do?  Perhaps next, you will say that my Bitcoin technical posts should be discounted due to my race?

Please try replying to my post again—and this time, address what I said without reaching for memetic kill-switches to stop (gasp!) thoughtcrime.  If you persist in sinister flights of lefty “logic”, then I will either indulge the same myself, as I just did, or simply ignore you.

Now, in another one of your threads, I just replied at length to some posts including another of yours, which is also quite revealing in this context:

lefties have a history of weakening the establishment and strengthening hostile outsiders.

That sounds suspiciously like you are saying that lefties welcome hostile aliens to invade a country.

Are you a secret right-wing extremist?  I am so confused!


Note for those who may only know English as a second language, or who have stereotypical American-level literacy:  “Aliens” is in this context a synonym for “outsiders”, by definition.
1560  Other / Politics & Society / [ANN] The Traumatic Inseminators’ Rights Movement on: January 22, 2020, 11:10:04 PM
[ANN] The Traumatic Inseminators’ Rights Movement

An ethical or moral justification can't be made by comparison with insects.

Indeed.  Reductio ad absurdum:

Bedbugs practice traumatic insemination.  Due to the lack of a input port in female bedbug anatomy, the only way for bedbugs to have sex is in essence an ultraviolent rape:  The male literally breaks a hole in the female’s body, and injects his sperm into the gaping wound.  For obvious reasons, the female often resists this.  Sex is unavoidably injurious, and sometimes fatal to the female; but if she does not die, then she can lay fertile eggs.  If a female is unavailable, the male will sometimes traumatically inseminate a weaker male just for kicks; I suppose that proves homosexuality is “natural”!

With bated breath, I will now wait for KingScorpio to argue that traumatic insemination would not be perverse for humans.  Indeed, I modestly propose that it should be legal and socially acceptable.  Why, it is perfectly natural and normal!  Learn wisdom from the insects.  Stop being “phobic” of my lifestyle of punching holes in women’s abdomens and injecting my sperm into their bleeding wounds.  What, are you a closeted traumatic inseminator just making outdated moralistic preaching to cover for your own insecurity?

Some People Love Differently:



Having so stated, I need not reach the point of tearing up OP as to fact on scientific grounds.  Anyway, that’s best left for an entomologist.  It seems wise, however, to briefly remind readers of this thread that just because you read something on the Internet, that does not make it true.



The Oppression of “Gender”

Gender is not constructed. It's biological. There's a thing called chromosomes.
You either have XX or XY.
XX- Female
XY - Male

This is why I initially refused on principle to set my “gender” in my forum profile.  I don’t have a “gender”, in the ridiculous postmodern meaning which has been quite artfully constructed for that word.  I have a sex, and it is an innate, naturally unalterable part of who I am which I refuse to devalue by calling it a “gender”.

I find the term “gender” highly offensive!

I finally broke down and set my “gender” on pragmatic grounds, after I discovered that it is nowadays politically correct to use a default “her”:

Another example for you - nullius, who I noticed has given you merit and is a poster on threads you start, has "Tips welcome" in her signature - is that considered begging?

s/her/his/  (Note:  I did not fill out the “Gender” field in my forum profile, because I have a sex, not a “gender”.  I have now filled it out anyway.)

This still bothers me.  To call my sex a “gender” is a personal attack on the very essence of my being—a mad division of my body (“biological sex”) from my soul (“socially constructed gender”) which is not other than a religious dogma of that godless bastard son of the primitive Christian mentality called “liberalism”—a thought-control exercise in the power of he who defines which I find deeply oppressive.  Think about it:  This is real oppression!

And speaking of Christians...



The Jesus Strawman

Quote from: BADecker
jesus jesus bible jesus bible bible bible

It is the Christians who have done more to empower the modern homosexual movement than any other group.

The Christians themselves set up a strawman which is easy to knock down:  “The Bible says” arguments against homosexuality.  Well, I don’t give a damn what the Bible says!  I reject the premises; and therefore, if I accept the unexamined argument inserted by rhetorical sleight-of-hand, i.e. the notion that Biblical prohibitions are the only basis for criticizing homosexuality, then I must perforce accept that homosexuality is natural, normal, healthy, cheerful, and even downright gay.  Q.E.D.

This Jesus-shaped strawman is sometimes even made explicit, e.g.:

The only people who hates and forbids homosexual is mostly religious people

you are either science fiction driven or exploration driven, or you are another one of those judeo/christian suiciders

(To avoid a strawaman of my own:  I do realize that rational arguments on this topic are sometimes advanced by people who happen to be Christian, and by organizations predominantly comprised of people who happen to be Christian.  However, they are effective only to the degree that they don’t mix up their rational arguments with their “Bible says” beliefs; and they seem to be the exception, with “Bible says” being the rule.)

Worse yet, the Christians have a perverse incentive (so to speak) to falsely claim for themselves and/or their Jewish antecedents the historical distinction of being the first to prohibit homosexuality.  This is not only factually false, but quite the opposite of the truth; and it leads to such manifest absurdity as this standing unchallenged as to fact:

yep ancient times allowed homosexuality.

Wrong.  And I am not even sure if you’re just trolling here, due to what follows:

then christians (middle east... you know bethlehem, jeruselam and isreal) then decided the HIV epidemic was killing alot an back then they didnt have the medical tech to handle it so just wanted to abolish it.

these days with condoms and other precautions and also modern medical treatments, it has not become the epidemic of ancient times nor the american epidemic of the 1970-80's

so Christianity has began to tolerate it again since the millenium.

Say what?  Ancient HIV epidemic?  Is that some new “creative history” like Cleopatra being black, the pyramids being built by space aliens, or prehistoric matriarchy?

N.b. that there were many ancient non-Jewish, non-Christian cultures both inside and outside Europe which condemned homosexuality.  Example inside Europe:  Pre-Christian Germanics regularly executed male homosexuals.  Example outside Europe:  At some point, the ancient Assyrians had a codified law that men convicted of homosexual activity shall be castrated.  Neither of these population groups had ever suffered even the slightest influence from the Bible.

Homosexuality existed in ancient Greece and Rome. Most of us know of Sappho of Lesbos.

A misleading half-truth.  Greece had a very limited tolerance for homosexual, mostly paederastic relationships of a kind which are not accepted anywhere in the world today.  Rome was much less accepting of any type of homosexuality, and mostly only a bit tolerant by implication of the principle that what a man does privately in his bedroom is his business alone.

Neither had any notion of, much less tolerance for, a homosexual lifestyle with same-sex marriage, etc.  Indeed, even same-sex marriage advocates openly admit that the concept is historically unprecedented.

So few people point that out.  I am glad one did:

Quote from: UNOE
The thing is homosexuality was never so systematically propagated, thaught and encoureged as it is today.
It's pushed down everyones throats every single day.

I don't think fucking someone in the ass was part of someones identity in ancient Greece. Nor that it was deemed as positive&brave.
Today you can't be gay and a normal person, you have to flaunt it around, go on parades, dye your hair and tell everyone how gay you are because that's your identity.
If you took away his gayness, he wouldn't have an identity at all.

Correct.

As for Sappho:  Her personal peccadilloes are today either misperceived, or overblown; and it doesn’t matter anyway, because a nearly-divine genius can get away with almost anything in such an aristocratic society as ancient Greece.  Normal rules do not apply, because she wasn’t normal; she was exceptional in every way.

Ancient Greece had no general trend of women shacking up with each other in lesbian lifestyle relationships, and certainly would never have tolerated such a thing.  Indeed, it was a strictly patriarchal society in which most women were men’s property for either procreation (wives) or recreation (πόρναι, the root whence English “porn”), the small and exclusive class of hetaerae being exceptional.

And the practice of male homosexuality in ancient Greece has been wildly exaggerated for modern propaganda purposes.



And why would anybody want that?

i have this deep fantasy in my head of one day seeing fitgirls running their own community/city or maybe even state, like bees or ants do, treat men like sex objects.

So, you’re sick...

for humans without certain type of technologies and social organisation homosexuality doesn't work.

but it can work.

...and you demand that humans be remade in the image of your sick fantasies.

Assuming arguendo that it could work (which is not true), you have not explained why non-sick people would want for this to “work”.



The Sinister Mask


american lefties have nothing to do with communism, i am sick and tired seeing them being compared with communism

You're right. Lefties are simply a tool of the communists.     Cool

no they are the opposition speaking for the financially excluded, that could be the tool of anyone who isnt in power also muslims islamists, black supremacists etc.

lefties have a history of weakening the establishment and strengthening hostile outsiders.

I could have written most of this post myself, although I would have shown a bit more basic literacy*—and the parts which I have hereby highlighted are exactly what I would have said about Communists!

KingScorpio, perhaps you were inadvertently too candid.  I observe that leftists usually pretend that their favoured “outsiders” du jour are friends who come in peace, and are adorable as cute puppies.  Whether the “outsiders” in question are social outsiders, such as homosexuals, or national outsiders, such as immigrants, anyone who accuses “outsiders” of being “hostile” is automagically a “right-wing extremist”.  Thank you for admitting the truth.

A question for the peanut gallery:  Why would anybody want a “tool of anyone” which “strengthens hostile outsiders”?  Cui bono?


* It’s scary that KingScorpio is probably allowed to vote without a reading test, per the “one sheep, one vote rule”.
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