I'd love to go into a story about how I'm being blackmailed by my boyfriend, I'm super poor, I need money, and this was all a misunderstanding.
Far be it from me to dribble the milk of human kindness over you. I’m the one who dropped Nietzsche in a thread where my total rejection of the concept of empathy got me accused of being a psychopath by some armchair-psych nincompoop who needs to have his copy of the DSM confiscated pronto. In that thread, amidst a polemic against empathy, I said: (Aside: I myself have real-life experience with desperation brought by ill circumstance, hardship, hunger, ailing health, and outright homelessness. I would win any game of one-downsmanship before a jury of bleeding hearts. I dislike mentioning that, and shan’t discuss it further, because I have something called dignity; and it does not give me any special credibility in this argument, as if only those who have had it tough can pass judgment on wrongdoing. I bring this up only to point out that in my experience, those who have had easy lives seem most susceptible to catching “empathy”. I infer from that a misplaced sense of guilt. Whereas those who face genuine life-and-death hardship either become degenerate beggars, or embrace the lesson that the strong survive and the weak perish. “Builds character.”)
I’ve been in harder situations than I care to admit. There are reasons why I don’t have 1.2 BTC. If someone wants to get weepy over me, I’ll knock his teeth out. What I am trying to do instead is to urge you out of a wrong situation into (more of a) right one. Incidentally, you’d most likely wind up much happier. Win-win. But the truth is - I'm not poor. I'm not being blackmailed into anything. This is my account, favours belongs to my brother. I can prove this to anyone who is willing to Skype me. I have never scammed a single person, I have only helped them earn money. You may not believe me not, but time will tell how legitimate I am. I only wanted to have fun, make some money, and get a good rep here -
oklooks like just because my brother and I share the same WiFi network, And the same account logins. And occasionally the same e-mail address, too! But let’s not belabour the point. my whole rep has gone to shit.
N.b. that in the same thread where I got called a psychopath for being a little bit Nietzchean, I also said this: asapjoshyy implicitly claims ignorance of the adage that “trust is hard to earn, easy to lose”. I myself would add, “...and nigh impossible to repair”.
Come back here in a year and see where I am on this forum. You'll be surprised.
How do I break this to you gently? Do you even realize who put your account where it is right now, within the past twelve days? Instant fame. A circle of admirers in the Legendary and Hero ranks. Hmmm. It wasn’t you who did that. Granted, I needed decent material to work with. But it wasn’t you who deliberately spread your name and links to your threads all over threads you didn’t even follow, which were followed by people who respect me. Sorry to burst your bubble, hon. “You’d be surprised.” |
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He's clearly quite smart, hence the TED talks. This is what I first wrote about alia: It's nice to see a Newbie with more Merit than Activity! Welcome to Bitcointalk, glad you joined!
I'll now strike out those last 3 words. I disagree, Loyce. If the TED talk boy is writing this, he underwhelms. I’ve had discussions with “alia” in public and in private about cryptography, computing, software... It would be impressive for the person we thought “she” was. I thought “she” demonstrated a sharp mind with some good potential. But if these posts are actually written by little Mr. TED Talk, then he is actually quite a disappointment. Expectations are different based on a person’s background. Somebody already giving TED talks should already have a much higher level of knowledge. Whereas if Alia was actually writing this, I would not expect her to have knowledge which 99.9% of people don’t; and I did see a mind with some potential for real learning. Maybe somebody who could grow to give TED talks someday. Not somebody who already had. |
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I am disappointed that things on the “0.01 BTC to 1.2 BTC” front suddenly went all quiet after I posted my txids above.
Thank you for your excellent work, NLNico. It will take me awhile t digest all the links you dumped... Will probably comment sometime (much) later. Curious that alia has not commented.
* nullius gulps coffee. New hypothesis: There really is a girl actively involved, not only as a hireling or sidekick but perhaps even as the one writing the posts here. revcback/favours/whatever is the boyfriend or “FWB” who provides penis for on-camera sex acts which require one. There is no brother-sister relationship. Observe:Alia was not the one who suggested a “little brother”. That was me! I was the one who discovered that ibminer’s “15-year-old” was a self-alleged 15-year-old boy; and when ibminer questioned this scenario, I tossed this off-the-cuff: A better question may be "Why is there a 15 year old boy asking for a fake ID matching the name of an e-whore who appeared on this forum a week after that 15 year old boy asked for it"
I dislike speculating about such things, especially in public. But if I try to think of a plausible “why”, the first thing which comes to mind is, “Little brother got jealous of big sis doing that Bitcoin thing, wanted his own exchange account, needed to be 18+, had easy access to her identity docs for alteration.” This occurred during the time when Alia was allegedly (and probably) asleep. When she returned, she immediately picked up and ran with three distinct things I had written in the interim—including the “little brother” scenario. Now, think: The female in a boy-girl “friends with benefits” scammer pair gets caught. Another party casually suggests a “little brother” hypothesis. What is the girl going to say?
The foregoing is only a hypothesis—much like my “little brother” hypothesis in the first instance. It is not proved. It does fit available evidence, however. There is simply not (yet) enough evidence to draw firm conclusions.
I also noticed something odd. In some of Alia’s threads, she is hungry and desperate for a meal. In others, she is handling quite large amounts of money. (There is more I could say to analyze this; but I wish to not detract from one particular point.) Alia, if you’re trapped in some desperate situation, this is a better opportunity to come clean and get out than you’ve ever had. There are people here who are highly efficient at running these things down. Hereto undiscovered swaths of your boyfriend’s scamming are being examined, archived, and fit together as puzzle pieces by people who do this as a hobby—perhaps also some who do this for a living. The jig’s up. The loser promised you a wealthy lifestyle. You don’t need to tell me that. He impressed you with some intelligence. Gives TEDx talks, does he? And then you wind up in situations like this: I'm really hungry and I want some KFC, but all my funds are in BTC right now.
There are people who could help, and who could connect you with the right ways to GET OUT NOW. I myself would like to help you, Alia.Results are not guaranteed. I don’t know what kind of soup you got yourself into, but it looks to me like you’re in over your head. A chance is a chance. You’re a gambler, right? You take risks. Bet on yourself this time, for real—and for some real merit. Please take the chance when you have everybody’s attention, and tell us (publicly or—to trusted parties, privately) just what is going on here. Seek advice. Bust your way out of this mess. You could turn out to be the hero of the day, and put all this behind you. I appreciate the PM you sent me earlier. I feel similarly. I write the foregoing for your sake. Insofar as my own personal interests are concerned, I could leave this thread and not come back. Nobody’s accusing me of anything anymore. But I am still here, waiting for you to prove who you really are... nullius |
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Preparing more post(s) here. Quick note. I should emphasize that by quoting people, I am not urging any particular person to do this—just making a point: In light of all of this, I do not intend on doing any Skype session to help the scammer prove anything or potentially expose myself to viewing an underage girl on camera. I see more evidence showing this could potentially be the case, so it would be extremely stupid for me, for multiple reasons, to engage in any Skype session at this point.
I was considering doing the Skype session through VPN (with tape on my camera) and theymos' list of questions, but you make a very good point to stay away from this. This could mean actual jail time! Though I haven’t seen it, I seriously doubt that theymos’ questions involve any nudity or sex acts. It is not reasonably in question that a girl is involved. The goal here is to identify persons and their relations between each other. I don’t know of any jurisdiction where it would be illegal to chat with potentially underage persons on camera for this purpose, in an appropriate manner. That said, if any serious crimes are involved (from serial scamming to distribution of any underage sex material), anybody who does this should take into consideration the possibility that at some point, police may wish to talk to them as a witness to authenticate video evidence, etc. |
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I gave it to you because I made money off your money, and was rewarding you for it.
Can you share (links to) the actual bets where you turned 0.01 BTC into (more than) 0.02 BTC at the time you were in possession of nullius' money? That’s possible? (See how much I know about gambling websites...) Depending on the site it can either be links to bets, a list of Bet IDs, or even a graph. I'm sure alia knows how to do this, proven here. Archived: https://web.archive.org/web/20180228075530/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2936044.msg30806393#msg30806393Per my standard procedure, I requested that all info (addresses, amounts, etc.) be handled with PGP encryption. I want at least one tiny shred of blockchain privacy. However, I think after this, I will need to thoroughly anonymize this coin anyway. (And if you wonder where it came from: Thorough anonymization. Knock yourself out looking.) txid for 0.01101346 BTC sent nullius → alia: 554962af97ea469ade363e4f6e402de37e9270a242e81b45c5dfa7b21e8fcc0b txid for 0.021 BTC (exactly) received alia → nullius: 44e3aeed8ba068f52e048d76776205bcee05902af7db1eecbd697e7ac819c1ec (Edit: Yes, as you will note, she allegedly gambled and then sent 0.021 BTC while my 0.01101346 BTC was still unconfirmed. Either I’m trustworthy for not committing a double-spend attack on 0.01101346 BTC, or the amounts were unimportant for serving the objective, or both.)
I am curious if she is even able to produce txid's for the transactions with nullic.
Slip of the tongue, there? I was already gathering the txids on presumption that LoyceV ( et alia) would want them, plus the archive on presumption that—it’s wise policy. (Edit: For those not up on Latin puns, et al. (the familiar abbreviation) stands for et alia (and others).) |
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In her very first PM to me, Alia said that I must be rich. I never contradicted this; I let her make her own assumptions. Only after she required 1.2 BTC from me upfront for a deal I had seen to be profitable, I regrettably had to inform her that I do not have that kind of money to invest. I really don’t.
My PM inbox got a bit quieter after that...
Aww man..that's a sad story..I mean like I sure don't know you enough but if you want me to message you periodically and talk about stuff like Whitfield Diffie's Adventures and Shor's algorithm,I'm down for it.  After-all, I don't want our fellow CypherPunk to feel left out as other's have ignored them just because he doesn't have 1.2 BTC. With small talk like that, some cryptogirl is damn lucky with you. Be forewarned, you just opened yourself to getting spammed with a knapsack full of SSS shares of my cypherpunk broken heart. At least it is information theoretically secure, insofar as it reveals no information about my secret tears without m of n shares.
I gave it to you because I made money off your money, and was rewarding you for it.
Can you share (links to) the actual bets where you turned 0.01 BTC into (more than) 0.02 BTC at the time you were in possession of nullius' money? That’s possible? (See how much I know about gambling websites...) |
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I want to understand this: Other than the simple business consideration of keeping your customer base small and thus manageable, what difference would it make to take, say, 1.2 BTC from whale_of_a_bettor plus 0.02 BTC from me, and gamble 1.22 BTC with proceeds split appropriately?
1) The less customers I get, the more manageable my workflow is See text here set in bold. But surely that is not a consideration when adding a few more existing customers—even one more existing customer with whom you were corresponding daily, with whom you’d said you were falling in love, who could well be expected to do you some courteous favours of a similar nature along the way. Note: I’m not saying that such things would obligate you, but rather, that they would tend to much overwhelm the marginal workflow considerations for adding one more customer. Thus, there must be another reason. 2) If a deposit is larger, I tend to be much more conservative and aim for a lower ROI, which leads to a much lower loss rate
3) I can make expotentially more money with much less work
Same could be done combining customers’ funds. Hopefully that makes it clear. If you really, really want to do it, then with theymos's permission, I'll gamble with small amounts for maybe a window of 48 hours, and livestream the thing while blurring out the script. I'm not a generous person; I didn't just randomly give you 0.01 BTC for free. I gave it to you because I made money off your money, and was rewarding you for it.
I didn’t suggest that you did! What I asked was whether you marked me as rich, and then made your own investment to impress me with huge ROI on a small amount—so as to then support pushing me to “invest” 120x as much in one shot. I was thrilled when you sent me back approximately twice the money I had sent you. I would not have even imagined asking you such a question, before—well, frankly, before the “other Dave” thing upthread. That’s the first time I caught you in a lie between you and me. In the taxonomy of lies—I take that personally. Not that lies to other people are morally any better. Rather, it marks me personally as your potential mark. |
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Fake investors: nullius is fake? SyGambler is fake? TelevisionLover is gake? I added my brother there to gain credibility, which may have been wrong of me, but to be fair, I do gamble for him a lot, and the amount has been larger than 2 BTC.
The investors in question are not persons who gambled with you while the thread was open, but rather, the investors for whom you shut the thread down. After which you told me that if I wanted back in on the game, minimum investment was 1.2 BTC. Oops, I forgot to mention that before. Could you brought a substantial return on 1.2 BTC for me? Too bad, I’ll never know... (I have a few other potential replies upthread; but I wanted to address that quickly.) The minimum investment has had been set in place in order to give me a better reward for the time I put in. Although, I am no longer accepting new investors anymore, and am stopping the service on this forum entirely. I want to understand this: Other than the simple business consideration of keeping your customer base small and thus manageable, what difference would it make to take, say, 1.2 BTC from whale_of_a_bettor plus 0.02 BTC from me, and gamble 1.22 BTC with proceeds split appropriately?
If I understand nullius's point correctly,he wants to know who are the investors you found on the forum who invested 1.2 BTC in that service ? Since you said you have found investors and are not accepting participants anymore,you should have some sort of proof right ?
Actually, no: My point is to inquire as to whether doubling 0.01 BTC for me was an investment on conning a rich mark. In her very first PM to me, Alia said that I must be rich. I never contradicted this; I let her make her own assumptions. Only after she required 1.2 BTC from me upfront for a deal I had seen to be profitable, I regrettably had to inform her that I do not have that kind of money to invest. I really don’t. My PM inbox got a bit quieter after that... |
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Fake investors: nullius is fake? SyGambler is fake? TelevisionLover is gake? I added my brother there to gain credibility, which may have been wrong of me, but to be fair, I do gamble for him a lot, and the amount has been larger than 2 BTC.
The investors in question are not persons who gambled with you while the thread was open, but rather, the investors for whom you shut the thread down. After which you told me that if I wanted back in on the game, minimum investment was 1.2 BTC. Oops, I forgot to mention that before. Could you have brought a substantial return on 1.2 BTC for me, as you did with my 0.01 BTC? Too bad, I’ll never know... (I have a few other potential replies upthread; but I wanted to address that quickly.) |
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I guess I'm famous...? And I'm 100% a teenage boy. That's why I'm offering to Skype everyone here. Logic 100
I'm still waiting for someone to Skype me...
I have a serious question for you. I’m not trying to be mean, and I’m not being sarcastic here. After my attempt to exonerate you backfired—yes, that’s what it was; 0 and yes, that’s what happened—why would anybody spend the time and most importantly, risk their own credibility if they get fooled?I can think of a few ways in which a very determined scammer could try to fool the video interview here. No, I do not want to suggest any! So, interviewer’s astuteness versus scammer’s shrewdness—who wants to risk that? Thus, I am asking you politely and sincerely, Alia: Do you have any other means to provide credible exculpatory evidence?
0. Protip: Deliberately trying to prove somebody innocent is an excellent investigative technique for those who aim to be fair, both ways. If the person is innocent—well, then you just saved an innocent person from a false accusation. Few acts could be nobler. Whereas if the person is even a little bit guilty, the probabililty approaches 1.0 that the attempt will not only fail, but backfire and blow up in a blaze of guilt.
This is probably because confirming that she is in fact a 19 year old girl with a 15 year old brother will not prove her innocence. There are still many other issues, that alone would classify her as being very shady and untrustworthy.
I called that the threshold issue. If it could be adequately proved that the #1764044 “alia” account is controlled by a 19-year-old girl, and the #974658 “favours” acount is controlled by a 15-year-old boy, and they are brother and sister—then, other issues could be reached. (For me, actually, the primary issue would then become why she lied about Dave’s Wallet Recovery. Another Dave with “the best” “wallet recovery service”? Oh, come on. I was not born yesterday!) If not, then there is absolutely nothing else to discuss about either of these two accounts. Red-tag and roast. |
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Why don't you Skype me via Tor? lol
Skype is notorious for blocking Tor. That means I would need to to interpose a VPN between Tor and Skype. The hops I use to reach bitcointalk.org are already too laggy for smooth realtime video feeds. Adding another would turn it from “ugh” to “wtf”. It’s unlikely that video and speech would even be intelligible, let alone sufficiently clear for me to assess and attest what I’d need to here. Any other ideas?
I don’t know how I can live, if you turn out to be fake. I may kill myself. Please, Alia, please help me prove that you are real!
WTF? If this is real, get out of your mom's basement! Burn that laptop. You're wasting your time and talent on this stupid forum. Get a real job. If you can't inspite of your technical know-how, see a shrink fast! YHBT, HAND. (Or a different version of: Dear suchmoon...)That said: All along, I have been sincerely interested in finding exculpatory (as well as inculpatory) evidence here. I’m curious to see whether Alia can cough up something better than “the other Dave” and “Skype through Tor, lol”. How far can this go? ( N.b. on the point of video interview, Lauda was right: I am not a disinterested party, given how this case affects me. Even those who fully trust my basic honesty may reasonably question whether I might be susceptible to some tiny sliver of wishful thinking, which could be cloud my judgment sufficiently to be exploited by a scammer. An interview conducted by me would thus hold little weight with anybody other than me, no matter how honest and skilled I actually would be in conducting it.) |
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Sorry for the excessive multi-post; but I want to make certain that aTriz sees this and it doesn’t get lost in an edit: Do you get your money back if she gets negative trust?
Nope  I don't that was in the contract. Technically the contract means I have to buy her sig for 3 years, correct? I think this is the point where you look into terms such as “an implied duty of good faith and fair dealing”, fundamental to all contracts, as well as the various types of potential fraud in the inception of a contract. I could say much more about these matters; but this is neither the time nor the place. Edit to add: Contracts are never to be applied mechanistically. One of the problems and challenges with “smart contracts” goes beyond obtaining formally verifiable contracts à la the Bitcoin Simplicity research: Designing a contract which can be applied mechanistically is much different in concept than designing a contract between human beings. |
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Also, it's okay, I don't need your apology. Do whatever you want. Turns out all that sweet-talking via PM was fake; I was actually starting to really really like you. There's no need to be an asshole to people without proper evidence. You're becoming just like the rest of them.
Wow ... you try it on the sympathy track. Not bad for a scammer. Rate me, please. I am trying to reconnect with Alia, but it’s not working. I seem to be getting the silent treatment. Edit: Or at least, please console me. I am really hurting here. I was already picking out baby names for a new generation of Nullii. |
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I don’t know how I can live, if you turn out to be fake. I may kill myself. Please, Alia, please help me prove that you are real!
wtf? lol? I think this post pretty much confirms my suspicion that you are Greg Maxwell. I’m Greg Maxwell like Alia knows Dave from the best Wallet Recovery Services. |
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Also, it's okay, I don't need your apology. Do whatever you want. Turns out all that sweet-talking via PM was fake; I was actually starting to really really like you. There's no need to be an asshole to people without proper evidence. You're becoming just like the rest of them.
* nullius sobs quietly into a pillow. Hello? Alia, honey? You still there? I want for you to know that I was on your side all along. I only feigned being strict and tough so as to pull a sly one on theymos and ibminer and all those other big meanies, to buy time while I searched for the real killers looked for evidence which would prove your total innocence. Please help me out here. Please. I’ve got tears streaming down my cheeks as I write this. I am heartbroken! Please, I am begging you on my knees, help me find some exculpatory evidence. The video interview won’t fly, because we don’t have a suitable interviewer (and with your credibility now a thousandfold shot to hell, nobody in a trusted position would waste time with it). “Dave” from Podunk Wallet Recovery Service with a domain name registered five minutes ago will not cut it; this is a tough crowd we’re playing to here! You have got to give me something good. I don’t know how I can live, if you turn out to be fake. I may kill myself. Please, Alia, please help me prove that you are real! |
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Also, it's okay, I don't need your apology. Do whatever you want. Turns out all that sweet-talking via PM was fake; I was actually starting to really really like you. There's no need to be an asshole to people without proper evidence. You're becoming just like the rest of them.
My feelings are hurt, here. I pulled a rabbit out of a hat in an attempt to save your skin. If the Dave who runs the best Wallet Recovery Service had actually known you IRL and corroborated that you’re a 19-year-old college girl with a 15-year-old brother, etc., then you would have had several rather important persons apologizing to you (at least on the most important question—the “threshold question”, as I called it). “Proper evidence”? I took the initiative to find immediate evidence which would exonerate you of the single most serious charge! I did that in loving memory of how you sweet-talked me. Oh, sweet-talk you did. * nullius sobs quietly into a pillow.
Edit: Under my pillow is the latest archival checkpoint:
https://web.archive.org/web/20180228042049/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3032057.0;all |
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Oh, dear. How many Daves are there who run famous wallet recovery services, widely known as “the best”?I'm close friends with Dave in real life (who has the best wallet recovery service around) and I can get his requested expedited.
I know a Dave, who recovers wallets - the "best" was a bit of shilling on my part, I am unaware about whether he is the best or not. And if I am guilty... of what exactly? Faking sales? Scamming? Lying about my identity? I have done none of these things. So... are you saying that you do not know this guy IRL? https://walletrecoveryservices.com/https://twitter.com/davecryptohttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=130960Please tell me. I already PMed, and I’m preparing an e-mail. It would be terribly rude to keep bugging him, if you do not actually claim to know him. I want for you to understand, Alia, that I am absolutely fair in this matter. If you have been truthful with me, then I am on your side— if. You may rely on that. Please understand: If you’re innocent, then I am sincerely trying to help you, with my apologies for being perforce a bit rough. If you’re guilty, then I am sincerely trying to cook you alive in public—with no apologies whatsoever. You have first-hand knowledge of which case is true.
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Eh, maybe. Skyping is the only good solution, and so far, nobody has stepped up.
Hang on, dear. Let’s take one thing at a time. A few others have been chatting about who would make a trustworthy investigator to video-interview you and your brother. Meanwhile, I am asking a rather simple question: You're probably thinking of a different Dave, but yes, I'll get to it. I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to show me who I scammed.
Oh, dear. How many Daves are there who run famous wallet recovery services, widely known as “the best”?I'm close friends with Dave in real life (who has the best wallet recovery service around) and I can get his requested expedited.
Please understand: If you’re innocent, then I am sincerely trying to help you, with my apologies for being perforce a bit rough. If you’re guilty, then I am sincerely trying to cook you alive in public—with no apologies whatsoever. You have first-hand knowledge of which case is true.
Edit:I would like to apologize again to nullius! He proved to me that you can trust him. Of course that's just my personal view!
Thanks. I’ll tell you what: Let’s talk about this after we discover just how many persons named “Dave” run a “wallet recovery service” widely known as “the best”. Thus far, in all my experience with Bitcoin, I have heard of exactly one. |
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You're probably thinking of a different Dave, but yes, I'll get to it. I'm still waiting for you (or anyone) to show me who I scammed.
Oh, dear. How many Daves are there who run famous wallet recovery services, widely known as “the best”? I'm close friends with Dave in real life (who has the best wallet recovery service around) and I can get his requested expedited.
See also my edit to my above post: Edit, P.S.:
Someone who knows you IRL could also vouch that you have a 15-year-old brother—right?
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Alia claims to know Dave from Wallet Recovery Services in real life. I'm close friends with Dave in real life (who has the best wallet recovery service around) and I can get his requested expedited.
At the time, I took an archive of the whole thread because a wallet recovery scammer tried to rope Alia in. I asked her privately for her Skype log. She did not seem interested in pursuing the matter. https://web.archive.org/web/20180218040114/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2969896.0Alia, if you’re legit, I just saved you. If not, well—I probably closed the case. I will ping Dave. I PMed walletrecoveryservices. Will follow up with e-mail, as soon as I can catch a breather from this thread. Alia, if you have any other fascinating IRL buddies who would have any real credibility and reputational risk here, now would be a good time to ask them to step forward. Also, it would behoove you to ping Dave yourself. If you actually know him, then you can probably get a response from him much faster than some weird message to his business address about a scam accusation and challenged IP evidence—right? Your public post made it sound like you have a direct line to him.
Edit, P.S.: Someone who knows you IRL could also vouch that you have a 15-year-old brother—right? |
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