98% chance the power supply will fail.
Therefore send in the hazmat team. The ones that can blow the psu to kingdom come....just to make it doesn't hurt any innocent customers. |
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At least thanks to ninjarobot we will know more about the MPP in the next 24 hours. (or maybe that call will never arrive).
Indeed, grill them my friend! (And record the convo if possible (for future litigation) if legal. I hope they follow through, but would not be surprised if they did not given their track record of over-promise & under-deliver. The only thing I'd like to know about MPP is when and in what quantity they will deliver after the 90 day MPP window ends. The ROI calculation only makes sense if you actually deliver immediately afterwards. I assume they have worked out most of the hardware and supply kinks by now and should be able to start shipping in volume including MPP. Difficulty is nearing 10x from what it would have been on Oct 20 when the BJ should have started shipping, so 4x with MPP will help a little if shipped early Feb, but in no way will it fix the damage already done by the delays. If they call, I'll ask if they are okay with the conversation being recorded. You don't have to ask if they are ok with it, you say, 'I'm recording this call'. I am pretty sure that is correct. |
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@ Pablo
You once mentioned that ButterBot takes about 160 or 165 SMA samples to generate the first EMA value. I have tried various amounts but never seem to be able to replicate the exact same EMA values as butterbot.
Could you ask around about this?
I am compiling a Month to Month Minute accurate excel sheet to distribute on the forum so we can run various kinds of math against the past. But so far I am having a hard time replicating the ButterBot EMA samples. (I'd like it to match the real butter rather than be an approximation).
@ Pablo Did you get around to investigating the SMA samples? Puerto, Email me so we can discuss it in detail  . Pablo. Will do. @ The 1st thresholds. I'd like to say that if you are creative enough, you can use the first pair of thresholds to limit your losses. Keep that in mind. If you tune your settings with the first pair, you can also make the bot act slightly different in various types of scenarios. ----------------- For example, you might want to assure your bot [only] buys after a sustained dip. In this case your threshold might be a 2 and the second threshold for buying might be a 0.3 Same would be true of a sell scenario. --------------------- You can also use the first pair to assure the bot weeds out the sudden micro peaks that don't affect price very much. For example, the market might go from -0.18 to 0.3 in two intervals. Using the first pair you can induce the bot to only buy if there is first a 0.25 or higher target and then on the second threshold 0.3 Which means it is looking for progression rather than sudden spikes which only meet 1 criteria. If you learn how to use the first pair properly you can even set the bot to look for specific types of reversals. Just food for thought if folks think the first pair is useless. It's not. The programmer probably placed it there after realizing that 1 threshold can create wins but also major losses when there are false positives. If you could set even more thresholds you could probably look for specific types of EMA curves and not just 2 basic thresholds being met. |
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At least thanks to ninjarobot we will know more about the MPP in the next 24 hours. (or maybe that call will never arrive).
Indeed, grill them my friend! (And record the convo if possible (for future litigation) if legal. |
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My order #605 of 20 baby jets just shipped out from Hashfast today, and there arriving tomorrow!
Also talked to someone from Hashfast yesterday and he said they expect all of Batch #1 to be shipped out by the 28th of this month.
EDIT: Just got a call from them, only 6 of my 20 are coming tomorrow. =(
EDIT#2: The rest of my order is shipping out in the next 24 hours.
You sure are going to be getting a ton of MPP hardware. Anyone know if it will fit in one case? |
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@ Pablo
You once mentioned that ButterBot takes about 160 or 165 SMA samples to generate the first EMA value. I have tried various amounts but never seem to be able to replicate the exact same EMA values as butterbot.
Could you ask around about this?
I am compiling a Month to Month Minute accurate excel sheet to distribute on the forum so we can run various kinds of math against the past. But so far I am having a hard time replicating the ButterBot EMA samples. (I'd like it to match the real butter rather than be an approximation).
@ Pablo Did you get around to investigating the SMA samples? |
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As an addendum...
While they didn't say anything about the checks needing to be voided, I would protect yourself and VOID them if you decide to go this route.
Right now the USD refund looks like the worst of the crappy options for those of us who paid in BTC, so I am going with the re-instated order.
My checks were made out to me, so someone would have to forge my identity to cash them... but still... why take any more chances.
Have them certify to you that this "out and back in" does not deprive you from your MPP, before any other move. +100 Be sure to do this if you go back in, if they can't give it to you in writting...don't trust any of their bullshit. If they opt for email only confirmation, then post it here, with dozens of confirmations of MPP being reinstated you can sue them if they back out later. |
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With the current difficulty you'll be making at most 3 BTC in the next month and then less there on after when cointerra, black arrow, and finally KNC releases their miners.
You might actually be better off with the USD value... (which I wouldn't recommend since I believe we should all be suing for our promised refunds in original BTC amount)
If they get the MPP out by the end of Feb. my modeling looks like 12 BTC for the life of the 5 machines. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auya3iRE6az1dGtKTGZDXzVDeFVjbHl3VmNsT216dHc&usp=sharinga far cry from 60BTC... but better than 6... I guess I am foolishly optimistic that the MPP will ship quickly with/after B2 as there is no CIARRA assembly. They just package the boards from their PCB manufacturer and ship. I guess the other option to weigh is cash the check now, buy a bit over 7.1BTC, add on a half coin to buy 4 Antminers that will ship in the next day or two if you pay now. It's 800GH/s now vs 400 soonish and 1600GH/s soon™, but it's depressingly a more even match than it should be. +1  ? |
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So anyone hook up a killawatt to the BJ?
let's see some numbers. And while we are at it, can somebody who is getting their BJ delivered now take a detailed picture of the PCB so we can compare the revision number with one that was delivered earlier? Is it really an updated PCB? If they have a working PCB, and they are capable of boxing up all the units with light speed, all should ship out this week (or is this yet another lie/broken promise) If it's an old PCB, they must have been testing them (mining?) to sort out the less bad ones... Everyone who gets a BJ will also now get a HJ for free: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbJP9Rfbccs |
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I have a mFi power strip so I don't know how accurate it is compared to a kil-a-watt but it says that the miner is drawing 497/498 watts overclocked to 500Gh (650 mhz core clock).
For comparison it says the raspberry pi is drawing 2.5 watts.
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What will Josh/Butterfly Labs do for their loyal customers who where lied to  Butterfly Labs giving out FREEEEEE water with your Monarch. Thank you Josh you are the best "free water" NIcE! are you sure its freee? or will we have to wait two more weeks for the water By the time you get it, it will have evaporated. |
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For those that are still interested in receiving their miners, I would like to report that it is possible to get your non-cashed refund checks cancelled and your B1 orders re-instated by hashfast. I'll keep the forum updated when they deliver (for 60BTC day one order, hopefully it is before they start shipping B2). I don't recommend going through the support phone service. They are just a screen and is a totally useless avenue to reach anyone who can do anything. I mailed sales@hashfast.com and copied refunds@hashfast.com but I think it was the sales email which created the case which then had them followup in email. Once they got back to me, they wanted me to confirm the check numbers and amounts to cancel. Once confirmed, we will be happy to reinstate your place in the shipping queue.
While still not ideal, I think this is still a much better option than the the unsolicited refund offer. Hopefully they will get this initial order out shortly as well as the MPP and us B1 BTC buyers will be looking at only a 60% loss rather than the 90%+ (with taxes) of the USD buyout. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Auya3iRE6az1dGtKTGZDXzVDeFVjbHl3VmNsT216dHc&usp=sharingThough it all now depends on MPP delivery on minimizing the loss. Hopefully I will be able to get mining before the weekend... tick tock. Stratagem #2, Screw BFL HashFast by getting them to commit to a delivery, offsetting their Batch 2 deadline orders? Then sell off the MPP obligation + the original hardware in an after market to some great fool? Sounds interesting. Better than an 88% loss. |
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Yeah it's a Raspberri Pi. The case is for cooling and hashing processing.
I paid a ton of BTC for it. [TL; DR...]...and I don't give a crap. :3
Short and long of the story. |
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There was no shipping notification sent... it just arrived on my door step I was quite surprised at its arrival.
For what it's worth, the water cooling is really nice.. it is a quiet rig. It's also in a full black ATX case with a window so you can see the water cooled goodness. It is definitely the sexiest mining rig I've ever seen... too bad it will never return a fraction of the BTC we paid for it.
It has run stable for over 24 hours- not crashing once at about 423 Gh. As far as performance.. I am happy with what was delivered. Compared to my full Bitfury rigs it runs like a dream. I would compare the stability to the likes of an Avalon or KNCminer (which both run pretty stable in my experience.)
The Babyjet is expandable.. there is space to double the hashing capacity. The MPP didn't ship with the order, as confirmed by others. We need to press HashFast for the details on that & when we can receive it. I hope they hook us up for being so late.. simply shipping a DIY kit where I could double the hash rate of the Baby Jet would be much appreciated.
Does this mean you can only fit one extra module? If so, how is the MPP expected to fit inside one case? |
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No, it was something you could purchase separately.
Could you ask if he opted in for the MPP? |
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Oh, wait a minute. (Lightbulb)
Could it be they are going around the customers with the MPP agreement?
Did Batch 2 get an MPP [included]?
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so, they are officially shipping now?
So far...no....? If you are a Batch 1 customer AND paid with USD then, yes. If you are a Batch 1 customer AND paid with BTC then, no. If you are a 'backorder' (Batch 2?) AND paid with BTC or USD then, yes. HashFast feel free to correct me if I am wrong on any points. Oh wait, you are being silent about everything. |
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So, hashfast has sent no shipping news? Niether informed anyone of what the ETA for there machine is? I have way too much invested in this obvious scam, I feel stupid and could have invested my money much better then this, to add insult to injury I've paid for shares in a GB, one with USD and one with BTC. The one unit we purchased in BTC I paid USD for my shares and the one we bought off someone else who paid in USD I paid in BTC now the GB organizer wants to pay me back in USD for all my shares be we will have to litigate against HF to get our money back. BTW the GB organizer should make about 10k USD off this deal if they win Lesson, trust nobody and believe nothing.... Anyone interested in buying my shares PM me No tweets. No FB updates. No announcements on their website. Vacated their CES booth due to pitchfork attacks.I'd say they're communicating quite well. Hell, the only thing left for them to do is ship out all their orders from the US Post Office in Locust, North Carolina. Tell me the story behind the red? My quasi-humorous post stems from the following: Rumor goes that they manned it for the first day only and they left on the second day. The guys next to that booth were aware that HF has a "a lof of angry customers", so that could be the case for them deciding to leave.
<< -- Feigns ignorance. @ PG Why, oh why in the world would they be afraid of confronting their own customers? Did they not complete on their end of the contract? (A refund or a Baby Jet)? Hmmm, one wonders.... |
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Nothings changed. They haven't overturned the case against them after almost a month.
Strike while the iron is hot.
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So, hashfast has sent no shipping news? Niether informed anyone of what the ETA for there machine is? I have way too much invested in this obvious scam, I feel stupid and could have invested my money much better then this, to add insult to injury I've paid for shares in a GB, one with USD and one with BTC. The one unit we purchased in BTC I paid USD for my shares and the one we bought off someone else who paid in USD I paid in BTC now the GB organizer wants to pay me back in USD for all my shares be we will have to litigate against HF to get our money back. BTW the GB organizer should make about 10k USD off this deal if they win Lesson, trust nobody and believe nothing.... Anyone interested in buying my shares PM me No tweets. No FB updates. No announcements on their website. Vacated their CES booth due to pitchfork attacks.I'd say they're communicating quite well. Hell, the only thing left for them to do is ship out all their orders from the US Post Office in Locust, North Carolina. Tell me the story behind the red? |
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