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1761  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Will the bull run return this December? on: December 02, 2018, 01:35:28 PM
I think it's difficult for Crypto for a bull run at the end of this year, we know that the price of all coins has dropped badly even the price is very surprising. maybe next year crypto will recover and there will be changes in price increases, of course everyone hopes that way.

We wish that the bull run will happen soon but if it isn't, then we should be calm and patiently wait for it to occur someday. We are already at December 2018 but it seems there is no good news yet and the price movement doesn't give a signal that the bull run will happen in the near future. Maybe we will get a different story next year.

A lot have given up on 2018 already and it's easy to see why. I'm also not that positive about a bull run to cap this year but one thing that crypto showed in this bear market is that it can swing in an instant. If it can plummet to discouraging lows in a few days, it can pretty much do so with a run as well.
1762  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Dangers of a HODL’er: on: December 02, 2018, 01:31:12 PM
hold is very harmless even this will save us from danger. hold is the most suitable choice when the market is unstable and the price of the coin falls. indeed, waiting is boring, but after we get the results, the boredom will pay off.

Harmless? Nope! Hodling may be safer than active trading but it does not guarantee profit. That's because we don't know what the future of the coin we're holding could be. The danger is missing out on a coin's peak or close to it, and then the coin crashes. That's why it's important to have a target point of exit when you hodl.
1763  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Short term vs. Long term investments on: December 02, 2018, 01:26:39 PM
Which do you prefer?





Hello Everyone, want to ask few questions here.

Short term or Long term investment?
Which is more profitable to you?
What coins  do think that is good for long term now?

Feel free to comment your ideas and opinions.

Both short term and long term are important for trader.But long term is better than short term, because long term has little risk. So long term is more profitable for me.First and foremost, I would like to invest Bitcoin for long term.There are more few coins which are important and trustworthy such as ETH, XRP, EOS, LTC, USDT etc.

Less risk because you get to hold your assets for a certain period of time and within that period, you're exempted from the anxieties that short term traders get when the price of your assets fluctuate wildly. But you still have to have a sound exit plan when you go long because it's not all the time that your target exit will be met.
1764  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: What are the reasons why you must take risk in crypto market? on: December 02, 2018, 09:26:30 AM
The reason is because it is high rewarding once the altcoin you've buy goes to moon. There are many opportunities since there are many altcoins around but pick for the right ones since some are just scam coins that could affect your trading money if it collapses.
Yes taking risks will giving you profit once price increase. In crypto this is very much important to know what you are investing for. And, you know how big the risks in crypto without knowing it we might lose.

Here we go again. You are aware that a lot of people that lost money had the exact same reason you gave for their movitation in taking risks. And look what happened. Crypto is far more than just easy money. It's extremely dangerous to see it as a source of magic wealth.
1765  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How did you start trading? on: December 02, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
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You are a fu****g idiot. You just promoting a scam/ponzi website here. Guys be aware about this site. don't invest your money here, if you do you would be a fool.

Don't think long time users in this forum will bite that though newbies would have to be really careful. Read reviews and discussions first before engaging in anything that seems too good to be true.
1766  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Crypto Trading or Online betting? 2k Usd budget. on: December 02, 2018, 09:20:55 AM
Newbee here. Please guide me.

Which is more profitable in the long run, Crypto trading or online betting ?

For me, I would prefer to do the crypto trading since it will give high chances to earn good profits if we really know how the market flows and if we know how to be more patient. Although doing online betting is a good and easy kind to earn profits, but at the same time it is also a very risky kind because you will have a chance to loss all your savings.

Yes, crypto trading is more elegant than online gambling in term of profit in the long run. The number of bad experiences in the long run from online gambling are numerous. Indeed we won't always get good profit from crypto trading but at least there are hopes in it which will be determined by our own actions on how to manage it.
At least we can rely on our skills so that the possibility of winning can be higher in trade. whereas in the gambling you cannot depend on anything. so the possibility of profit may be very small and may be equivalent to the possibility of loss.

At this point, if you're looking short term, gambling may be more worth it. If you have the balls to make the risk. There's really nothing going well for crypto at this time. But it's an entirely different story if you plan on going for long term since certainly investing in crypto will be more profitable.
1767  Economy / Speculation / Re: Don't Be Fooled By The Price Dump! Here's the Real Deal on: December 02, 2018, 09:17:32 AM
I still holding bitcoin and not sell when the price was lower. I think who have money, big investors bought a lot of bitcoin and if they bought at 3700$ and sell now they make a lot of money or if they still hold they will make more money.

This is how the system works and those who are billionaire today have got bought in the start or buy huge qty when market dips and not when the market is rising or at high. This is the difference between a normal investor and the billionaires as they can forsee and capitalize on it.


Well it doesn't seem that the big investors are making a move just yet since if they start buying we'll be able to see a run. I don't know if they're still waiting for a lower value than where we are now. But eventually they'll come back, i'm quite positive about it.
1768  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin will return $1500? on: December 02, 2018, 09:15:12 AM
Currently the price is above 4000$. I'm aware that this doesn't have to be the sign of recovery and that trend can change very quickly and the price could fall again. But on the other hand I don't believe that the price will go as low as 1500$. Besides I don't see that currently there are any signs on the market that would indicate such big fall.
What we need it's patience to get over this unfavourable period.
Anything can happen in just matter of minutes in the crypto filed but here OP is saying about prediction without any evidence that how he conclude that prices will reach the low value of $1500 so this is nothing to do seriously with because it is one of the spam fest created for spambies. Cheesy

Well i think there were few people who actually thought that the price would go way below 5k at this point of the year. Nd it didn't take a long time for us to hit under 4k. Goes to show that in a span of a few days we can go to as low as 1.5k. Hopefully it can be the same with an upward movement.
1769  Economy / Speculation / Re: Decline until the end of the year? on: November 30, 2018, 01:31:20 PM
Friends, the market capitalization suffers from huge losses, do you think the "Great Depression" of cryptocurrency will last for a long time? Will you do something until the end of the year, or you wait for growth the next year staying with your portfolios on hold?

for my opinion i think hold better caused price is too low now, nothing we can do  Embarrassed
The market suffers indeed from huge lose so better we should hold still this time. No one is certain when is the end of this bearish market but I believe it can experience again of increasing price. So I will continue holding through these days until it can recover.

Dude. It's not even a great depression. Though i don't think there will be any significant bull runs anymore til the end of the year, sometime 2019 would probably see us recover. Not to the point of hitting another all time high, but enough to prove that this market is breathing and will continue to grow.
1770  Economy / Speculation / Re: What can save the market? on: November 30, 2018, 01:28:13 PM
Does the market even need saving? I mean, yeah a couple of positive news could be a big help but we're likely just under a phase and eventually it will correct itself on it's own. Crypto is still very young and steep drops like this happen, same way as sudden price pumps.
1771  Economy / Speculation / Re: Short term forecast on: November 30, 2018, 01:24:23 PM
I don't see real bounces now. IMHO not the best to rely on fast recovery and growth.

I am on other side of the coin where I think that market will recover and regain to 7k easily in Dec itself and we are seeing some buying is already happening and it has reached 4150$. So some upward movement has happened where it had fall to 3500$ range or so. So may be Dec will give some good news as far as bitcoin is concerned.


That's the problem with short term predictions. They rarely hit the spot. Back when btc was running chill at 6.5k most people were bullish. Few expected we'd go below 4k in under 2 weeks. We've bounced from that 3.5k point but instead of making bold predictions, better to prepare for any sudden drops again.
1772  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bull Run next monday 26/11/2018 on: November 30, 2018, 01:19:12 PM
Maybe you are thinking that because of the events like Black Friday and Cyber Monday, this will trigger a sudden increase of the price of Cryptos and might continue until we call it a bull run. If you look at the price history of Bitcoin during and after Black Friday and Cyber Monday, price may have slightly move a little but not enough to trigger a bull run.
What has black Friday even gotten to do with bitcoin's price in the first place? Nothing at all bro! I am not sure what the OP must have seen to pick this date, but really, however things turn out, I have only seen this stage as a moment to just be buying more as far as I am concerned. Nothing else.

For what it is worth, I believe we will get to see a good bounce at some point and wherever that point is going to be, I guess we will just have to wait and see. Let's see what this weekend has to offer anyway. Normally, there is no harm in going bullish right now, considering this is a good bargain for any smart investor who wants to be going long.

You can hardly go wrong if you plan to go long in this market. I hardly even check the price right now  and i agree that these events like black friday sale don't really have an effect at all on the market'a status. No connection at all.
1773  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is falling on: November 29, 2018, 06:01:03 PM
Pompliano states that Bitcoin "will likely fall to 85 percent below its all-time-highs – around $3,000."What are your opinions on this? Is there hope for us to reach a new high next year or maybe even this year? or will BTC keep falling?
https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-is-worlds-best-performing-asset-class-over-past-10-years-says-pompliano
REally? I do not see it will going to happen because bitcoin now has its recovering state and will hope that it will going to continue in the near future. This should be the time for bitcoin to bounce back after its huge fall down because this month of the year 2018 is the peak season so we could expect bitcoin to move higher even a little.

Still, we can't guarantee about it because Crypto behaves unnaturally. But the good thing is that we already have some hope to see this moment which it definitely gives us the strong signal to hodl until we can get back to the right track.

No one knows. Whether we go below or hit another ath, only time will tell. Though for the latter, i doubt that we're going to see btc over 20k anytime soon. You just can't be certain in this market especially if you're just trying to look at the short term.
1774  Economy / Speculation / Re: We are Close To The Bottom: on: November 29, 2018, 05:49:57 PM
Whales aren't going to come and just start to buy everything up. If they do come they'll place their orders and let people fill them, why would they push up the price when they can just wait a little while and get cheaper coins?

Whales don't have to push the price up. The job of whales isn't signalling that they are a whale, but to make it seem they are not. In other words, they have their bots scooping up small amounts of coins on pretty much any level they are comfortable buying at, without affecting the market.

If you browse through the orderbooks of most larger exchanges, you see plenty of orders with similar amounts of coins, with some times very odd amounts as well. It's all bot activity.
So, this is how the market is being manipulated by just bots? Well, it is indeed still surprising to see even more since they have been all manipulating this market ever since from the start.

What we could do to such high volatility and sudden dump? We are almost near to the bottom and yet the market seems likely to go down for more.

Precisely, they don't push the price up, they just let their orders continue to fill.

When we reach the real bottom there won't be many people left believing that bitcoin is going to recover any time soon. That could have been recently but a lot of people on this forum as still very bullish. Of course with that it's worthwhile considering that they may not be representative of all invested in to bitcoin.

Lol. I don't even think many of those bullish and bearish peeps are actually holding bitcoins 😆 and i'm not sure about whales just waiting to have their orders filled. I mean, maybe some of them are aggressively trying to influence the market. They can do that if they want to.
1775  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will bitcoin go below $3000? on: November 29, 2018, 04:53:56 PM
Let's just hope it doesn't for the sake of those that are shorting btc and miners. It's really hard to make any expectations  after we got to this year's all time low during the 4th quarter. What happened was against most people's bet.
1776  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Price Analysis for the End of Year 2018 on: November 29, 2018, 04:51:03 PM
I surrender to the price of Bitcoin and Crypto for predictions at the end of 2018, i seeing less volume and the price of Bitcoin below $ 5000 so if the end of the year the price of Bitcoin $ 7000 is enough to make me happy.
Agree if 7K see the value of BTC has now improved or is also called to recover yeah,I predict that by the end of this year there will be more than 7K or more.By the way we will see that in 2 days the value of BTC will gradually peak and it will probably continue towards the moon.

Wake up dude. The moon is going to be out of the discussion for btc for quite a while. We can be optimistic but you can't expect a short term positive end for 2018. It already belong to the bears.
1777  Economy / Speculation / Re: To All You Guys Who Keep Telling Everybody to BTFD on: November 29, 2018, 04:46:57 PM
Well long term holders probably aren't too eager for another ath run anytime soon anyways. Some people just can't afford to btfd all the time and grow their btc stash. It's just a bit too hard to keep your emotions and anxiety in check whenever you see the market and your portfolio jumping off and breaking apart like humpty dumpty.
1778  Economy / Speculation / Re: Market Crash 2018: It's History Baby! on: November 29, 2018, 04:38:29 PM
That’s what I am trying to say all the time, it is too early to bury blockchain and its future. "The blow bubble" predictions have bean said so many times and nothing happened, so I am just sitting and watching. Spoiling your nerves and FUDding is the last option.
This is not even a matter of FUD; this is more like the market writing another history. Just as the picture posted by cellard above, a time will come in this market when people rather than worrying will be looking at this market and saying a time like this when the price dropped from $19800 to whatever you can think in your head right now.

But that is it, just plain history as we all know that in the long run, this market will recover and we will definitely get to see the market back on its feet with even more interesting values to cover as we move on. The same scenario will happen again, some will buy even at higher prices, and then we will see how we will get back relating to this moment eventually.

Well it's a cycle alright and it happens not just with crypto but even with stocks and forex. And these kinds of heavy volatility are normal for any industry that's just starting up. We may recover and we may have an even greater decline in the future with more losses. It's just how things go.
1779  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bull run loading! Ohio to accept bitcoin for tax payment. on: November 29, 2018, 04:26:17 PM
at what point (if ever) does bitcoin become reliable enough for governments to hold reserves? nobody bats an eye at government gold reserves.


Do gold falls 90% in value, in a 4-year cycle? I dont know if any national economy can withstand that.


Gold have much bigger market cap. Market cap of whole cryptocurrency market is less than McDonald's.
I have seen, here on Bitcointalk, article about price drops gigants like Google and Amazon during the internet bubble, and it was even more - over -90%. So still it is not the worst bear market.

It's just anxious investors overreacting to every little drop that happens. And you don't even have to look outside of crypto to see similar "crashes" In the past where it rebounded quite well in time. News like ohio tax payments in btc, nasdaq trading futures next year and the likes are a much needed positive rings at a time like this.
1780  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin still have a chance to goes 15k by the end of 2018,Really? on: November 29, 2018, 04:21:17 PM
I think these predictions are just manipulations. Well-known experts also try to manipulate with the market as per they needs, before they tried to bring it down and now, when everyone has lost money, they want to put it back up.


As per market condition it is bit tough to reach the value but  I think there are some experts reviewed and updated that price will goes to 15K there so am not sure how it will go. Most of the people lost the money in panic situation due to lower prices of BTC.

It was hard enough to target 15k when we're running steady at 6.5k. I think even if we have a bull run at this point it'll be hardpressed to push the price even close to that amount. I'd be happy if we can get to 7 to 8k range before the year ends.
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