korvas i asked about transparency its a claim ion team made you said earlier you'd answer it. you only mentioned knowing the team x years then said you answered my question. i then reiterated what you said and you calling it hairing. lets make it simple as you said youd answer it unless you're telling lies. in your next post only address how ion team is transparent. no confusion just that so everything in your post addresses just that. if you cant do that then ill take it you have no information on how they are transparent and thus its a lie by ion team.
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also korvas you have transparency and integrity confused. your trust of the team is their integrity. trust isnt something that can prove or make visible ones actions. their failure to follow their 1 game a month in the whitepaper that theysold the ico impacts their integrity.
only having some bounty addresses visible is a lack of transparency. they claim transparency but show nothing demonstrating their expenditures and actions are able to be validated.
So patronising  believe what you want I'm not here to convince or educate you. i dont want to believe what i want. you said youd answer the transparency claim in a previous post and didnt. now you back out. this makes it look like you dont have an answer so resort to taking your ball and going home. people that can back things up usually do because if they have proof they want to show it. You can do attacks on me all you want with words like patronizing all you want. you were describing integrity of teams not transparency this is a fact. so i take it you dont have any transparency evidence? ionomy should remove that claim because they dont display it. Okay lets go back to basics. Why do you want transparency ? What does this tell you ? because they have stated they are transparent. proof of it goes towards their integrity. lack of it goes against. it also shows ability to deliver prposed ideas based on expenditure. expenditure only on their own wages without deliverables shows lack of ability and financial business sense. ive answered your questions. can you please now show how they are transparent like you said you would. you cant ask questions of others get responses and not reciprocate. please answer the question directly. Sure no problem..... hmmmm..... weird I'll try again....... strange..... all I'm getting are the words 'FUCK OFF' when I try to respond hmmmmm..... spider sense is tingling I'll try again 'FUCK OFF YOU TROLL'
Now why would I say that  I mean your polite, articulate, have a good understanding of crypto & been around since 2014 that's a longtime. Not quite as long as myself but your definitely Obi Won Kenobi material Got it !!! You and a couple of legendary's tried to DOX me hmmmm what was it .......... oh yeah..you said... 'Why did you as your alias leoC try to blackmail ethereum to stay quiet?'If your thinking WTF this will help jog your memory... https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1443633.6720 Your post history is a great example of how you need to factor the people element when you go through the exercise of due diligence because at face value you tick all the boxes but.. After everything you said/done did you actually think I was going to answer your question someone else posted the link information which i checked so asked that. not sure where you can validate that i tried to dox. i can honestly say i havent tried to dox you nor do i care who you are. also your comparison is the same of you following the apparent dox of suchmoon attacking on that. you didnt dox suchmoon of attempt to but read it. your aggression here to me appears to be your way of avoiding the transparency valudation question so not only are you being aggressive but you have also lied. you said you'd answer it but you havent. reread that thread korvas you'll find others posted hat leoc link and i asked the question. if you spent as much time answering the transparency question as you did going through old posts looking for a way to avoid answering it when you said you would the issue would be at rest now you realise? and yes i did think you were going to answer the question because i thought maybe this guy/gal wants to show the operation is legit but instead i guess we saw your integrity of your character with the response and lie on answering. o e could summise on that fact that its a peoject to be weary of. |
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korvas i asked about transparency its a claim ion team made you said earlier you'd answer it. you only mentioned knowing the team x years then said you answered my question. i then reiterated what you said and you calling it hairing. lets make it simple as you said youd answer it unless you're telling lies. in your next post only address how ion team is transparent. no confusion just that so everything in your post addresses just that. if you cant do that then ill take it you have no information on how they are transparent and thus its a lie by ion team.
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also korvas you have transparency and integrity confused. your trust of the team is their integrity. trust isnt something that can prove or make visible ones actions. their failure to follow their 1 game a month in the whitepaper that theysold the ico impacts their integrity.
only having some bounty addresses visible is a lack of transparency. they claim transparency but show nothing demonstrating their expenditures and actions are able to be validated.
So patronising believe what you want I'm not here to convince or educate you. i dont want to believe what i want. you said youd answer the transparency claim in a previous post and didnt. now you back out. this makes it look like you dont have an answer so resort to taking your ball and going home. people that can back things up usually do because if they have proof they want to show it. You can do attacks on me all you want with words like patronizing all you want. you were describing integrity of teams not transparency this is a fact. so i take it you dont have any transparency evidence? ionomy should remove that claim because they dont display it. Okay lets go back to basics. Why do you want transparency ? What does this tell you ? because they have stated they are transparent. proof of it goes towards their integrity. lack of it goes against. it also shows ability to deliver prposed ideas based on expenditure. expenditure only on their own wages without deliverables shows lack of ability and financial business sense. ive answered your questions. can you please now show how they are transparent like you said you would. you cant ask questions of others get responses and not reciprocate. please answer the question directly. |
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korvas i asked about transparency its a claim ion team made you said earlier you'd answer it. you only mentioned knowing the team x years then said you answered my question. i then reiterated what you said and you calling it hairing. lets make it simple as you said youd answer it unless you're telling lies. in your next post only address how ion team is transparent. no confusion just that so everything in your post addresses just that. if you cant do that then ill take it you have no information on how they are transparent and thus its a lie by ion team.
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also korvas you have transparency and integrity confused. your trust of the team is their integrity. trust isnt something that can prove or make visible ones actions. their failure to follow their 1 game a month in the whitepaper that theysold the ico impacts their integrity.
only having some bounty addresses visible is a lack of transparency. they claim transparency but show nothing demonstrating their expenditures and actions are able to be validated.
So patronising believe what you want I'm not here to convince or educate you. i dont want to believe what i want. you said youd answer the transparency claim in a previous post and didnt. now you back out. this makes it look like you dont have an answer so resort to taking your ball and going home. people that can back things up usually do because if they have proof they want to show it. You can do attacks on me all you want with words like patronizing all you want. you were describing integrity of teams not transparency this is a fact. so i take it you dont have any transparency evidence? ionomy should remove that claim because they dont display it. |
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korvas i asked about transparency its a claim ion team made you said earlier you'd answer it. you only mentioned knowing the team x years then said you answered my question. i then reiterated what you said and you calling it hairing. lets make it simple as you said youd answer it unless you're telling lies. in your next post only address how ion team is transparent. no confusion just that so everything in your post addresses just that. if you cant do that then ill take it you have no information on how they are transparent and thus its a lie by ion team.
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also korvas you have transparency and integrity confused. your trust of the team is their integrity. trust isnt something that can prove or make visible ones actions. their failure to follow their 1 game a month in the whitepaper that theysold the ico impacts their integrity.
only having some bounty addresses visible is a lack of transparency. they claim transparency but show nothing demonstrating their expenditures and actions are able to be validated.
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What's the trouble all about? Did the devs stop delivering or are people just too impatient again?
They never started delivering. It's been a year since they announced a "one game a month" roadmap and haven't delivered even a single complete game. Instead they're now announcing a bunch of new and regurgitated bullshit and are asking for more money. Ok so this is a really bad sign then -.- will dig a little bit deeper into this, but based on your information this is probably a safe skip. Thank you The current roadmap is old and soon to be updated With Suchmoon you'll eventually figure out that you should never take her comments at face value as she does like to play. For instance the one game a month comment Ionomy made is correct BUT this comment was made at the start when the original plan was to churn out simple tap games alla 'ketchapp', the comment is 17ish months old. Your on the right track of maintaining a watching brief  was that the same roadmap that they sold the ico to customers that expected that done korvas? also they mentioned transparency on their page that you were going to cover for me can you explain how they are transparent? they say they are but aside from a few bounty addresses i cant see any transparency on spent funds... would you say its a possibility it could of bren all spent paying themselves? as a possibility i mean theres no certainty they did or didnt unless there was some transparency... thoughts? No, This was the roadmap at ICO...  Feel free to rip it apart Today ION is at $1.6 which is a fair value when you reflect on Ionomy status today vs their original roadmap. Now imagine if they had been able to deliver everything on that roadmap what would the value of ION be now ? PWR-GRD is soon to be announced and start it's implementation....... compare that to the original roadmap...... similar isn't it. As a worse case scenario imagine a partial implemention again what do you think that would have to the value of ION. I did answer your point about transparency you just don't like my answer so just so we both are on the same page. your transparency answer was youve known the tea team for a while. is this correct and your teansparency validation? |
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What's the trouble all about? Did the devs stop delivering or are people just too impatient again?
They never started delivering. It's been a year since they announced a "one game a month" roadmap and haven't delivered even a single complete game. Instead they're now announcing a bunch of new and regurgitated bullshit and are asking for more money. Ok so this is a really bad sign then -.- will dig a little bit deeper into this, but based on your information this is probably a safe skip. Thank you The current roadmap is old and soon to be updated With Suchmoon you'll eventually figure out that you should never take her comments at face value as she does like to play. For instance the one game a month comment Ionomy made is correct BUT this comment was made at the start when the original plan was to churn out simple tap games alla 'ketchapp', the comment is 17ish months old. Your on the right track of maintaining a watching brief was that the same roadmap that they sold the ico to customers that expected that done korvas? also they mentioned transparency on their page that you were going to cover for me can you explain how they are transparent? they say they are but aside from a few bounty addresses i cant see any transparency on spent funds... would you say its a possibility it could of bren all spent paying themselves? as a possibility i mean theres no certainty they did or didnt unless there was some transparency... thoughts? |
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@suchmoon I think somebody forgot to give you the memo that changed the "one game a month" Vision.. Check out Suchmoon's Bitcointalk ION FAQ for all the unbiased details!!!
I think you should revise your ION FAQ to include the IONOMY VISION...Have you thought about writing a book Suchmoon's Book of ION DarkMatterSomebody forgot to give the memo to the team as well... they still have the original roadmap on ionomy.com and it clearly states "one game a month". In fact the only people saying otherwise are known liars such as yourself.
https://ionomy.com/about/roadmap The rest of your post sounds unhealthy. Please stop. I was but I'm back now..... I trying to be polite but it's difficult  hence why I'm slow to post Your lack of a response about the profitability of ION confirms you were trolling when you made comments about profitability. You know what POS is, you know the difference between POW & POS coins/tokens. But as it doesn't fit your agenda you choose to ignore. You then pull paycoin in as a comparison again a total load of shit. As you know a better comparison would be DASH but as DASH is currently $313 as opposed to $.01 XPY is better. Following up from PWR-GRD announcements last week I know a new road map is currently in development soon to be published. I'm pretty sure no one else on slack is aware of it's content and I'm not privy to any extra info. All I'm doing is expressing an opinion on how this is gonna play out About transparency this is the bit in the discussion I ask you for a company in crypto that offers a level of transparency your happy with. You can't name one and then accuse Ionomy of hiding something telling everyone not to trust them. . It's coming up to 3 years now since I stumbled onto the team, in this time they've done nothing for me to doubt their integrity. This don't mean shit to you but to me when pretty much everything can be fabricated it means a lot. It's irrelevant whether there is "a company in crypto" that does it better or worse. If ionomy can't even use the blockchain for its intended purpose, i.e. as a public ledger, then it's pointless to compare this shitshow to anything "in crypto". The reason you don't doubt their integrity is because you don't want to. Have you asked the team about their FINRA registration? Thought so. they are going to be fooked if sec retrospectively applies unregistered securities laws on icos in the past too. they'll prolly just try to scrub the net of statements about it and say it never happened and it was a donation, swap or crowdfund I don't see a problem.. Ionomy would start down the road to registering whatever was being declared a security ... Successful companies/organizations will move forward with the changing crypto economy..except they didnt register the past ico when they started now did they. you cant get fined later and register for something you did in the past also wildshark if they were transparent and legit would they preregistrr regardless you know just to be sure and peace of mind or would that raise them on sec radar and is that something they want to fly under? |
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@suchmoon I think somebody forgot to give you the memo that changed the "one game a month" Vision.. Check out Suchmoon's Bitcointalk ION FAQ for all the unbiased details!!!
I think you should revise your ION FAQ to include the IONOMY VISION...Have you thought about writing a book Suchmoon's Book of ION DarkMatterSomebody forgot to give the memo to the team as well... they still have the original roadmap on ionomy.com and it clearly states "one game a month". In fact the only people saying otherwise are known liars such as yourself. https://ionomy.com/about/roadmapThe rest of your post sounds unhealthy. Please stop. I was but I'm back now..... I trying to be polite but it's difficult hence why I'm slow to post Your lack of a response about the profitability of ION confirms you were trolling when you made comments about profitability. You know what POS is, you know the difference between POW & POS coins/tokens. But as it doesn't fit your agenda you choose to ignore. You then pull paycoin in as a comparison again a total load of shit. As you know a better comparison would be DASH but as DASH is currently $313 as opposed to $.01 XPY is better. Following up from PWR-GRD announcements last week I know a new road map is currently in development soon to be published. I'm pretty sure no one else on slack is aware of it's content and I'm not privy to any extra info. All I'm doing is expressing an opinion on how this is gonna play out About transparency this is the bit in the discussion I ask you for a company in crypto that offers a level of transparency your happy with. You can't name one and then accuse Ionomy of hiding something telling everyone not to trust them. . It's coming up to 3 years now since I stumbled onto the team, in this time they've done nothing for me to doubt their integrity. This don't mean shit to you but to me when pretty much everything can be fabricated it means a lot. It's irrelevant whether there is "a company in crypto" that does it better or worse. If ionomy can't even use the blockchain for its intended purpose, i.e. as a public ledger, then it's pointless to compare this shitshow to anything "in crypto". The reason you don't doubt their integrity is because you don't want to. Have you asked the team about their FINRA registration? Thought so. they are going to be fooked if sec retrospectively applies unregistered securities laws on icos in the past too. they'll prolly just try to scrub the net of statements about it and say it never happened and it was a donation, swap or crowdfund |
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No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time. BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining. Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain You do realize that you are quoted above attacking another poster for allegedly not knowing something or other about the US government? Fuck all to do with "tax law", just another display of your utter ignorance. "Management consultant" LOL... wasn't I supposed to be a dentist or something. But I guess you'll claim again that you never "positioned yourself as an expert", just talking out of your ass as usual Why don't you stick to shilling ION. You have already memorized your lines and you don't need need any facts or logic to do it. When you stray off message you get all flustered. i caught onto that one too suchmoon. korvas just basically defends against anything said. we can never be partially right or sometimes right only never right. because if we are it breaks the ionomy faith model. rick james chimes in on it like an authority. truth is ion team is winging things like changing ico to crowdfund after googling law info themselves. the big picture here is this whole business costs money crap by korvas. the truth is ion core group have paid themselves all the btc money delivered bugger all and now need their next 2 years paycheck so are going again. will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely. honestly they hoped after gravity devs would be lining up so they'd get a constant pay stream. it failed. korvas wont just attempt to even question if they have spent the money smartly or on things other than themselves. wildshark? he's just an incoherent fool that doesnt even do responses to asked questions that make sense. huey laughs at him behind his back but tolerates him due to his foolish money spends for whale status Well done only taken you 17 mths to figure out. Yin & Yang someone needs to counter the rubbish posted here, as I've said countless times this is why I post. You were both wrong about ION when it was $.20 and your still wrong today at $1.65 Let me tell you about the big Picture  Roadmap is published The first elements as per roadmap are deployed The value of ION moves to the next level if bitcoin never raised you'd be quoting satoshis. if ion never moved sat wise a usd increase isnt ion improving as an investment. holding that satoshi orbtc value as btc is the same. you still fail to grasp this simple fact. bitcoin is improving not ion inthat usd reflection you give. you just try to pass off ion as being the growth factor. your yin and yang bs doesnt float. you could of and probably applied it to paycoin the day i guess yang was tight then hey? your problemis your failure to refute with anything info wise. your last post still goes on about roadmaps etc. but wait you're acting like you know the visionagain but posts before said you like others inslack dont know it all which is it? you are 100% unable to acknowledge and consider the other side facts. lets test that theory shall we korvas? we say ionomy isnt transparent. validate it is with how. And what you fail to grasp is the implications of POS. Imagine in May 2016 you bought 20K ION and hosted a masternode so you spent $5,000. Today if you sold that node it would sell for around $35k. NOW Lets assume your argument is correct about the ION rise being all down to the BTC increase....... What about the fact that every day that node has been paying 25 ION a day. In a year that's 9,125 ion at $1.75 which is approx $15k or 4 BTC on top of the 20K which you still own and can sell at anytime. But it's not a year though is it...... it's 17 months so that's even more ION to busy to look at your other points but if you want I'll answer later Smiley you werent too busy you just dont want to address that transparency part i asked. yes i would like you to answer that point and because you said you'll do it later ill hold you to it. please state how ion team is transparent like they say they are. I was but I'm back now..... I trying to be polite but it's difficult hence why I'm slow to post Your lack of a response about the profitability of ION confirms you were trolling when you made comments about profitability. You know what POS is, you know the difference between POW & POS coins/tokens. But as it doesn't fit your agenda you choose to ignore. You then pull paycoin in as a comparison again a total load of shit. As you know a better comparison would be DASH but as DASH is currently $313 as opposed to $.01 XPY is better. Following up from PWR-GRD announcements last week I know a new road map is currently in development soon to be published. I'm pretty sure no one else on slack is aware of it's content and I'm not privy to any extra info. All I'm doing is expressing an opinion on how this is gonna play out About transparency this is the bit in the discussion I ask you for a company in crypto that offers a level of transparency your happy with. You can't name one and then accuse Ionomy of hiding something telling everyone not to trust them. . It's coming up to 3 years now since I stumbled onto the team, in this time they've done nothing for me to doubt their integrity. This don't mean shit to you but to me when pretty much everything can be fabricated it means a lot. i dont have to name a crypto team im happy with transparency wise because its not something i ever stated. ion team however stated they have high transparency. this is clearly a lie unless it can be backed up. your backup of it is just i know the team. this isnt good enough and doesnt validate transparency claim. can you provide facts how they are transparent. as per profitability. market depth needs to be taken into consideration, you refuse to do this. i can dump my btc tomorrow and get the price. ion people cant. the depth of the market isnt high so you wont get the value you say. start using satoshi comparison. dash doesnt increase in value unless its sat price goes up! if only btc rises dash isnt getting more valuable its staying constant. you just pick a value you like. i understand how pos works. do you? you do know inflation requires more people to maintain value right? check the 2 only transparent facts validated bounty addresses see how they've almost doubled in holdings in the millions? now what happens if the market depth stays the same and 1 dumps... overnight your usd figure turns to shit. now i responded to yours state the transparency of ion team in fact not you know them. ill help you 2 bounty addresses published. thats all so far. maybe you can link something that validates their spending of the btc? |
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No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time. BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining. Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain You do realize that you are quoted above attacking another poster for allegedly not knowing something or other about the US government? Fuck all to do with "tax law", just another display of your utter ignorance. "Management consultant" LOL... wasn't I supposed to be a dentist or something. But I guess you'll claim again that you never "positioned yourself as an expert", just talking out of your ass as usual Why don't you stick to shilling ION. You have already memorized your lines and you don't need need any facts or logic to do it. When you stray off message you get all flustered. i caught onto that one too suchmoon. korvas just basically defends against anything said. we can never be partially right or sometimes right only never right. because if we are it breaks the ionomy faith model. rick james chimes in on it like an authority. truth is ion team is winging things like changing ico to crowdfund after googling law info themselves. the big picture here is this whole business costs money crap by korvas. the truth is ion core group have paid themselves all the btc money delivered bugger all and now need their next 2 years paycheck so are going again. will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely. honestly they hoped after gravity devs would be lining up so they'd get a constant pay stream. it failed. korvas wont just attempt to even question if they have spent the money smartly or on things other than themselves. wildshark? he's just an incoherent fool that doesnt even do responses to asked questions that make sense. huey laughs at him behind his back but tolerates him due to his foolish money spends for whale status Well done only taken you 17 mths to figure out. Yin & Yang someone needs to counter the rubbish posted here, as I've said countless times this is why I post. You were both wrong about ION when it was $.20 and your still wrong today at $1.65 Let me tell you about the big Picture Roadmap is published The first elements as per roadmap are deployed The value of ION moves to the next level if bitcoin never raised you'd be quoting satoshis. if ion never moved sat wise a usd increase isnt ion improving as an investment. holding that satoshi orbtc value as btc is the same. you still fail to grasp this simple fact. bitcoin is improving not ion inthat usd reflection you give. you just try to pass off ion as being the growth factor. your yin and yang bs doesnt float. you could of and probably applied it to paycoin the day i guess yang was tight then hey? your problemis your failure to refute with anything info wise. your last post still goes on about roadmaps etc. but wait you're acting like you know the visionagain but posts before said you like others inslack dont know it all which is it? you are 100% unable to acknowledge and consider the other side facts. lets test that theory shall we korvas? we say ionomy isnt transparent. validate it is with how. And what you fail to grasp is the implications of POS. Imagine in May 2016 you bought 20K ION and hosted a masternode so you spent $5,000. Today if you sold that node it would sell for around $35k. NOW Lets assume your argument is correct about the ION rise being all down to the BTC increase....... What about the fact that every day that node has been paying 25 ION a day. In a year that's 9,125 ion at $1.75 which is approx $15k or 4 BTC on top of the 20K which you still own and can sell at anytime. But it's not a year though is it...... it's 17 months so that's even more ION to busy to look at your other points but if you want I'll answer later Smiley you werent too busy you just dont want to address that transparency part i asked. yes i would like you to answer that point and because you said you'll do it later ill hold you to it. please state how ion team is transparent like they say they are. |
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No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time. BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining. Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain You do realize that you are quoted above attacking another poster for allegedly not knowing something or other about the US government? Fuck all to do with "tax law", just another display of your utter ignorance. "Management consultant" LOL... wasn't I supposed to be a dentist or something. But I guess you'll claim again that you never "positioned yourself as an expert", just talking out of your ass as usual Why don't you stick to shilling ION. You have already memorized your lines and you don't need need any facts or logic to do it. When you stray off message you get all flustered. i caught onto that one too suchmoon. korvas just basically defends against anything said. we can never be partially right or sometimes right only never right. because if we are it breaks the ionomy faith model. rick james chimes in on it like an authority. truth is ion team is winging things like changing ico to crowdfund after googling law info themselves. the big picture here is this whole business costs money crap by korvas. the truth is ion core group have paid themselves all the btc money delivered bugger all and now need their next 2 years paycheck so are going again. will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely. honestly they hoped after gravity devs would be lining up so they'd get a constant pay stream. it failed. korvas wont just attempt to even question if they have spent the money smartly or on things other than themselves. wildshark? he's just an incoherent fool that doesnt even do responses to asked questions that make sense. huey laughs at him behind his back but tolerates him due to his foolish money spends for whale status Well done only taken you 17 mths to figure out. Yin & Yang someone needs to counter the rubbish posted here, as I've said countless times this is why I post. You were both wrong about ION when it was $.20 and your still wrong today at $1.65 Let me tell you about the big Picture Roadmap is published The first elements as per roadmap are deployed The value of ION moves to the next level if bitcoin never raised you'd be quoting satoshis. if ion never moved sat wise a usd increase isnt ion improving as an investment. holding that satoshi orbtc value as btc is the same. you still fail to grasp this simple fact. bitcoin is improving not ion inthat usd reflection you give. you just try to pass off ion as being the growth factor. your yin and yang bs doesnt float. you could of and probably applied it to paycoin the day i guess yang was tight then hey? your problemis your failure to refute with anything info wise. your last post still goes on about roadmaps etc. but wait you're acting like you know the visionagain but posts before said you like others inslack dont know it all which is it? you are 100% unable to acknowledge and consider the other side facts. lets test that theory shall we korvas? we say ionomy isnt transparent. validate it is with how. |
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Tony messaged u on slack. Site returning error Thanks, fixed and restarted. whats to stop them making fake customers that are themselves and adding tfrom own funds to get cashback themselves? how will this be vetted to stop the equiv of botters on faucets draining it? |
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will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely.
https://news.ionomy.com/darkmatter/60% given away through a series of airdrops to select digital tokens and currencies, for those who register their wallet addresses on ionomy.com. If there is an airdrop for ION bagholders... guess who owns the largest bag of IONs, 75%+ of total supply. surely they wouldnt airdrop to their ion premine addresses surely... also how is it hyperdeflationarywhen its only 90% trans fees that are burnt... fees are small so its reducing bugger all. thats deflationary sure but hyperdeflationary? they really go over the top missusing buzz words to excite people in dont they? thats actually false advertising to a point. its like saying huge sale with MASSIVE discounts, then you get in store and its 1% off. its the actual same thing. |
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No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time. BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining. Never positioned myself as an expert in US tax law Gotta say I do like your style. A cross between Cersei Lannister and Arya Stark with her many faces In the real world your not by chance a management consultant on all things BlockChain You do realize that you are quoted above attacking another poster for allegedly not knowing something or other about the US government? Fuck all to do with "tax law", just another display of your utter ignorance. "Management consultant" LOL... wasn't I supposed to be a dentist or something. But I guess you'll claim again that you never "positioned yourself as an expert", just talking out of your ass as usual Why don't you stick to shilling ION. You have already memorized your lines and you don't need need any facts or logic to do it. When you stray off message you get all flustered. i caught onto that one too suchmoon. korvas just basically defends against anything said. we can never be partially right or sometimes right only never right. because if we are it breaks the ionomy faith model. rick james chimes in on it like an authority. truth is ion team is winging things like changing ico to crowdfund after googling law info themselves. the big picture here is this whole business costs money crap by korvas. the truth is ion core group have paid themselves all the btc money delivered bugger all and now need their next 2 years paycheck so are going again. will they accept ion for dark matter? bet its ether or btc. will they give themselves a dark matter premine? most likely. honestly they hoped after gravity devs would be lining up so they'd get a constant pay stream. it failed. korvas wont just attempt to even question if they have spent the money smartly or on things other than themselves. wildshark? he's just an incoherent fool that doesnt even do responses to asked questions that make sense. huey laughs at him behind his back but tolerates him due to his foolish money spends for whale status |
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@korvas and @wildshark http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continuewhy is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere. lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered. There is an investment of money --> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash. It is in a common enterprise --> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc There is an expectation of profits --> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise Profits are derived from the efforts of others --> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling. what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though. rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it. so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well. also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing? all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing. i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go. The hardcore Ionites only care about profit, any way they can get it. They don't care about games, just profit. But according to the rules, they must be giving the Team their BTC with no expectation of profit. So why all the profit talk? And the Team realized they can't build a game for shit, so they're trying to get others to do it for them and profit off of their achievements. So again, what's the purpose of the coin? To make the paycoiner whole. I dare anyone to state what the Ionomy Vision is. You keep telling us we don't know it, yet you won't state it and it isn't written anywhere. So how are we supposed to understand the Ionomy vision? If you're not gonna state it, drop it from your rebuttals, it has no value then. For a business or an investor a basic rule..... Revenue = Vanity Profit = Sanity Profit for a business is needed as good will alone doesn't keep the lights on and for an investor it's why you part with your hard earned wealth unless of course you are a philanthropist Are you a philanthropist ? I wish I was but..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IrQHeDcMi8Maybe one day I will be So you can't put in writing what the Ionomy vision is? Then quit using the "you just don't know the vision" as your arguement. Where do I say 'you just don't know the vision'. You got the mission statement / general direction what you want is the next level of detail. I like everyone else on slack don't yet have the full picture. I can tell what I think it will be but as I don't want people like you to invest at this level I'll keep my thoughts to myself. When Ion hits $20 I won't be so concerned. thats that howey test fail again. common enterprise --> check buying ion relying on ionomy vision to advance it not knowing the entire picture expectation of profit --> check you quoting price values all the time you are expecting profits from ion team work btw if you're going to say i have no clue at least make sure you do first before admitting you dont. you cant claim someone else has no clue if you yourself dont. without knowledge on the fact you arent capable of dismissing another as not having one when you arent an authority yourself. |
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No actually btc is not money in the eyes of the US government.. They specifically state that its considered a property and taxed as such.
There is no such thing as US government definition of Bitcoin. The IRS treats it as property FOR TAX PURPOSES. The SEC has already stated that ICOs (regardless if funded with BTC, ETH, or other methods) need to comply with SECURITIES regulations. Both can be true at the same time. Plus there are money laundering regulations, state laws, etc, that may treat Bitcoin and other crypto currencies as a payment methods and/or money in certain contexts. ALL of the above can be true at the same time. BTW securities laws apply to crowdfunding as well with some exceptions allowing simplified funding process, and no, calling it "crowdfunding" is not enough to be exempt. Among other things, the crowdfunding platform needs to be registered with the SEC, non-US companies can't solicit crowdfunding in the US, and so on. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy The fact that you don't know how the US government works speaks volumes but please continue trolling, it's immensely entertaining. damn their ingenius plan by chief strategist matlack of renaming it and having company offshore is fallible. maybe they can call it a donation ? thats what it ends up becoming lol because there is no expectation of profit even if wildshark and korvas make posts about it being so |
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@korvas and @wildshark http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continuewhy is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere. lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered. There is an investment of money --> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash. It is in a common enterprise --> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc There is an expectation of profits --> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise Profits are derived from the efforts of others --> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling. what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me. My thoughts are you don't have a clue about what your talking about and are just trolling. The fact that you don't know how the US government class BTC speaks volumes so stop trolling and file a tax return you naughty boy so there is no expectation of a profit. btw i wont be filing a us tax return as there is no need, what with me not being a us citizen and all. you might want to though. rick chimes in so this point must be a sore spot what considering they dont want to call it ico anymore but crowdfund. i dont believe even ionomy know their vision either they make shit up as they go. so is it a gaming coin as they initially sold to people or not? the vision as you call it has delivered 1/2 a game a broken scoreboard... an apparent api that nobody can publically download and use and might i add they spent ages rabbiting on about time taken to harden it. so what exactly has this team delivered for all that btc? everything seems to be a wrapped up other service. the conversion coin paything was just shapeshift integrated services, skeleton i believe. im highly giessing thei ad thing is as well. also why is there still no others devs in this hige ionomy mentioning games they are doing? all i see is crap about masternode profits but hey get dash theres the same thing. i find it funny too that you always say others do t understand the ionomy vision. problem is ion team never state the vision in written form... itsjust you should tead and know it. its vague cause they make this shit up as they go. |
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@korvas and @wildshark http://coremedia.info/blockchain-news/item/881-the-sec-crashed-the-ico-party-how-will-the-fun-continuewhy is ionomy this time calling it a crowdfund and not ico? are they scared that term affects them? does this mean their past ico was naughty? do they think a name changes it? also incorporating in another country does nothing to avoid selling to usa residents you cant just pretend to be elsewhere. lets run the howey test in that link which sec uses shall we? this is to see if its a security and should be registered. There is an investment of money --> yes. btc is money unless i guess you mined 100% of your stash. It is in a common enterprise --> profits shared multiple parties on buy backs on market etc There is an expectation of profits --> sure is. wildshark always goeson about earn money with ion. it'll rise. you yourself korvas keep calling it an investment that will rise Profits are derived from the efforts of others --> like atoms dark matter yes. its auctioned so profits come from others selling. what are your thoughts? looking very unregistered security like to me. |
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Just like the idots that bought ION for 20/25 cents or those that bought atoms for $2....... Let's hope dark matter suffers the same fate.
More like the idiots who paid for XPY and stuck with this flustercuck for three more iterations. If all those atoms and other trinkets were so great why does the team need more "crowdfunding" every year from the shrinking "crowd"? You'd think by now they would have a steady revenue stream... oh wait, you morons ARE their revenue stream . Good luck. korvas ignores the fact of those that didnt pay 20/25 cents. he laughs at those and ignores them. he refuses to ackknowledge people $10 an xpy that maybe paid $80 for 1 ion in conversion. he just pretends everyone paid 20/25 cents to suit his advert for ion success. such a blind shill else he'd use median rates to show averages. so deluded and a deliberate fact obscurer and he knows it. korvas what do you think the average price is that people paid ion for in usd and sat.. time to put this to bed with your proper statement. average for everyone not just values that make your investments look good to suck others in. |
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notice now how they are calling it a crowdsale and not ico on dark matter? they think a word changes the fact. i hope they are excluding us citizens from it like us based exchanges. its funny they cant help themselves they cant make content so they keep making new tokens to sell. atoms, dark matter, ion thats 3 tokens they've sold to their users now. garza would be proud he was only able to sell xpy as a token once. matlacks done it 3 times.
also whats the point in their ad network which im assuming is just a wrapper on an existing ad network they piggy back on if they only have 1/2 a game to show them in?
you'd have to be an idiot to buy dark matter... ion hasnt really achieved its use case and they want to sell you another token?
Just like the idots that bought ION for 20/25 cents or those that bought atoms for $2....... Let's hope dark matter suffers the same fate. are we going to talk usd or sat increase. my btc has earnt me way more. free airdrop from byteball and others. ionwould have lost. not only that but ionomy is yet to deliver. in over a year and 350btc they have released half a game. by your own admission its an incomplete mobile platformer. since you love usd at current rate thats 4100usd x 350btc so approx 1.4 million usd. tell me korvas is gravity or rather 1/2 gravity worth 1.4 million usd? be honest. it must be 1.4 million usd because they want more money so im assuming they are out. your turn. justify where $1.4 millions gone to ask for more. by holding ion instead of btc you missed, btc increase, bitcoin cash, byteball and its monthly compound and many others. |
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