About 40k monero for about 150 BTC, that makes avg 0.00375
Wow what a bad ass. |
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YOWSERS
*edit* i see someone else caught that one too ^
*edit2* Assuming that was all one single order, and i think that is a safe assumption, does anyone know how much monero was purchased in that order? roughly?
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a win8.1/64bit PE bootable stick. If the persistent image contain the XMR wallet and the DB is written to the USB/Local HDD, that would've been awesome.
Oman this would be so cool if an entrepreneur could package this in the form of a monero application specific device that was 100% plug and play with an environment designed to prevent them from being able to make security mistakes. I would probably pay way too much for that. Or even if the devs could some day produce a developer signed bootable image. |
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Ok so lets talk distribution. Is it already completed? When? How? Where? Do we have any records of who is holding? Do we have a thread where people are trading?
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Well color me intrigued. You just might be onto something here. So looking at this we can tell that the owner of the address is using a delegate. But we can't know about the ultimate recipient. Cant we look at the owner of the address and the delegate and look for a transaction authored by the delegate from around the same time frame for around the same amount and make a pretty good educated guess from this information that the owner and the recipient are connected? What does the dev got to say for this? This is where i believe the splitting of coins aka coinjoin technique has to be implemented. That is a possibility right now, but becomes increasingly harder as the number of delegate transactions increase. And yes, the splitting and chaining-up are one way to deal with the issue. You should consider using the proposal I described. I believe it would be superior to what you are using for a couple of reasons. Delegated transactions would appear the same as any other transactions. And delegated transactions would take up less space on the block-chain. With this proposal you could certainly chain delegates too. You would almost certainly want to break units into standard denominations and use delegates to "tumble" coins in the back ground sort of like darkcoin. Then use "mixed" coins to make payments in an ordinary transaction. It would have a lot of the advantages and functionality of darkcoin without the centralization of masternodes. |
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YarkoL,you are a thief,you steal the NUD's technologys!!!
Do you have the permission from the NUD devteam??
ideas aren't property  |
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Well color me intrigued. You just might be onto something here. So looking at this we can tell that the owner of the address is using a delegate. But we can't know about the ultimate recipient. Cant we look at the owner of the address and the delegate and look for a transaction authored by the delegate from around the same time frame for around the same amount and make a pretty good educated guess from this information that the owner and the recipient are connected? |
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alice says to bob that she would like for bob to pay charlie and she will pay bob. [/li][/list]
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So this is the idea in a nutshell right?
You're on the right track.. The escrow transactions have a conditional scriptPubKey. The other path of execution corresponds to the finalization of delegate tx, the other one to the retrieval. Both ways consume the input of the escrow. So it's a bit more like, Alice sends a transaction A to Dave that says If I see you pay to Bob this amount, these funds can be spent by you, else they return to me. And Dave sends a transaction B to Alice that says if I have sent the amount to Bob then I can get the funds in your transaction. The wallets also exchange info that allows them, and them only to construct the claim to the coins in the escrow. The escrow transactions are made in several steps, where each party adds info to them. When they're ready they are relayed to the network. To give credit to where it's due, I did not invent this procedure. It was already present in a now defunct coin called New Universal Dollar (NUD), but in an unfinished, unuseable form. I liked the approach, as it mirrors the privacy model of TOR, where the anonymity does not derive so much from an algorithm, but from the community of users themselves. Just to be clear, supposing there are no problems in the send by delegate and everyone performs their roles as they should, than no scripted transactions show up on the block chain right? Just 2 transactions that appear the same as if 2 random people had made normal non delegated transactions. |
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how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?
mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private) I just ran through it and tried it - very slick. Am not as tech savvy as most and I'm on Mac. I don't feel at home on anything using a terminal window (much prefer a GUI type wallet) but this is helpful. Means I don't keep too much on Polo, Bittrex etc. Going to cold store a few - might as well, I am a long way off selling - been buying since day 1 on Polo. Fwiw - I only have holdings in BTC, XMR and a few handfuls of XCP. Please do make sure you test the method before adding any substantial amount. I cant say that i have personally tried it. Also idk how you came to the decision to buy xmr if you are not tech savvy, but you sure do have a heck of an intuition! |
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- alice says to bob that she would like for bob to pay charlie and she will pay bob.
- bob says to alice, ok if we were to make some sort of arrangement like this, than my transaction to charlie would look like txB.
- alice says to bob, ok well if you were to make a transaction like txB i would make a transaction that would look like txA.
- bob says to alice, ok well ill tell you what, ill make a transaction, txC, with a script that says if txA is published but txB is not published than transfer funds from Bobs Wallet to Alices Wallet and ill go ahead and digitally sign that transaction using my relevant private keys, bob signs this scripted transaction txC and sends it to alice
- alice recieves txC but she is unable to publish it since the requirements of the script are not yet met.
- alice says, ok well now im safe, so ill go ahead and sign txA. so alice signs and broadcasts txA.
- bob says if i dont publish txB than alice just publishes txC and im no better off, and the moment i publish txB alice can no longer publish txC so im safe there, and infact if i do publish txB than i get to keep a cut so im actually better off.
So this is the idea in a nutshell right? |
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There will be no rename in the foreseeable future
What if we all just unanimously decide to call it flarb instead of monero? Whatcha gunna to do about it? Huh? |
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For the sake of clarity. Can you simply log into mymonero using a 24 word seed that you generated with your simplewallet and get access to the same "account" (for lack of a better term) on mymonero that you were using on simplewallet?
I've been trying this with some accounts (4 exactly) and they are reporting zero balance... There definitely was moneros in them. Is anyone else able to succesfully import an account to mymonero with the seed? EDIT: I have tried importing the transactions for an account as well, which is not succeeding. Sent 10 xmr as per the instructions twice over 2 days. Again, anyone having success with this? (Sorry for the off-topic. It just seemed to be what people we're discussing here at the time.) Man, at this point, just try importing them into your own client and rescanning the blockchain yourself. We will be here to help you with any problems you have. (though you may want to take that over to another thread, just drop me a link and ill come over) |
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How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.
edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero
1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet. 2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe. Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins. But what is the actual rpc command to get those keys from simplewallet? I don't see one looking at the list of rpc commands near the top of the source code for simplewallet.cpp. There is no RPC to retrieve the keys and that would be exceptionally dangerous given how easy it is to accidentally leave a port open. You are correct that mnemonic is the better/easier way to approach importing. For the sake of clarity. Can you simply log into mymonero using a 24 word seed that you generated with your simplewallet and get access to the same "account" (for lack of a better term) on mymonero that you were using on simplewallet? |
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How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months.
edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero
1. You don't need the blockchain to run simplewallet. 2. It is safe to import keys from simplewallet to mymonero if you trust mymonero to be safe. Another possibility is to use simplewallet (or any of the GUI wallets) with a remote node. In that case you have some trust requirement on the remote node to give you accurate blockchain information and not log/disclose your transactions, but the remote node still can't steal your coins. But what is the actual rpc command to get those keys from simplewallet? I don't see one looking at the list of rpc commands near the top of the source code for simplewallet.cpp. |
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how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?
mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private) and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/ok thanks, but this is just an onlinewallet right? Yeah it is. But as far as i know thats the only way to do it without downloading anything. If you are ok with downloading just a very small file, grab the binaries from here https://getmonero.org/downloads/ all you need to run is simplewallet. You don't need to even run the daemon. You can use steps 6-10 from the link gingerale posted. 6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet. 7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter. 8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG. 9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed. 10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key. Sorry there is no https://www.bitaddress.org analogue. I know that's what you are looking for. Hope we were able to be of some help. How do you extract the private keys from a wallet (for importing into mymonero) on a PC that doesn't have the blockchain and client running? Are the keys inside the wallet easy to export? I haven't run monero on my PC for many months. edit: would this be safe to do, export keys from simplewallet, import into mymonero Looking at some resources after your question, I don't think you can really "extract" your private keys because they are not stored anywhere. They are deterministically derived in real time from your seed which is the 24 word mnemonic. In a sense, the 24 word mnemonic is actually what you are looking for i think. Now there was an old scheme where they were stored in a database. The remnants of this can be found in the rpc commands. You can start the wallet with the argument non-deterministic. You may be able to generate a single use key pair that way but I'm not sure. I would mess around with it except im not on my linux box at the moment. I think you may just be able to just log into mymonero with your 24 word mnemonic and then pay the 10xmr fee for their server to /rescan the whole blockchain (not something that i can blame them for, thats very processor intensive with monero, much more so than bitcoin). Anyway sorry i cant be of more help. Worst case is if you cant import it into mymonero you can always import it to simplewallet in the future. |
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how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?
mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private) and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/ok thanks, but this is just an onlinewallet right? Yeah it is. But as far as i know thats the only way to do it without downloading anything. If you are ok with downloading just a very small file, grab the binaries from here https://getmonero.org/downloads/ all you need to run is simplewallet. You don't need to even run the daemon. You can use steps 6-10 from the link gingerale posted. 6. Don't run the Monero daemon. Instead, using the command line, use simplewallet to create a new wallet. 7. When prompted for a name, give it any name, it doesn't really matter. 8. When prompted for a password, type in like 50 - 100 random characters. Don't worry that you don't know the password, just make it LONG. 9. Write down (on paper) your 24 word mnemonic seed. 10. Write down (on your phone, on paper, on another computer, wherever you want) your address and view key. Sorry there is no https://www.bitaddress.org analogue. I know that's what you are looking for. Hope we were able to be of some help. |
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how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?
mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private) and here is a qr code website that works offline (just tested it myself) so you can save the page and use it to make some qr codes for those numbers http://www.qr-code-generator.com/ |
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how can i create an monero papaerwallet, without download anything?
mymonero.com -> create new account -> login -> account -> account details write down or print out Account Address (Public), View Key (Private), Spend Key (Private) |
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come on XMR guys, persuade me to jump ship  I only hope we have persuaded you to hedge. With the difference in market cap a very small percent of ones dark coin holdings can hedge them against monero taking its place. |
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Balance, coin age, incoming and outgoing transactions play a role in calculating the importance. Having the importance the rest is a deterministic random algorithm like nxt.
Litmus test: Does chance of generating a block depend on a snapshot of the system only? (Without taking into account state transitions like transactions.) CFB I put some weight in your judgement. You very clearly understood nxt (you were the one who explained it to me) and you understood the reason behind all of its various mechanisms, the attack vectors that it faced, and how it cleverly dealt with them. I really very highly doubt that this "Balance, coin age, incoming and outgoing transactions play a role in calculating the importance." wont be able to be gamed. I'm already imagining the attack vectors in my head. Someone creating a ton of accounts and interacting with himself between his accounts inorder to make his activity appear valid in accordance with the demands of w/e schemes the dev comes up with. What do you think? *edit* i need to point out that im not saying that the system wont be secure, the extent to which it is proof of stake may provide enough security, the real question is whether all these extra bells and whistles added to the consensus mechanism will actually decrease the security of the network. |
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