Wow ladies hand bags at dawn!
The IPO clearly wasn't run correctly, we all know this. I personally believe that the Maidsafe team knew there were risks involved with their IPO strategy but overlooked them as small risks to what the benefits raised through the Mastercoin/Maid partnership. These risks clearly came to fruition having a much larger impact then they first thought. We have to remember the maidsafe team have also taken a big loss here.
Now being a BTC investor tbh I knew the risks to start with, Maidsafe were very open about the Mastercoin strategy before the safe but I did not worry myself with the complications of earning a few extra maidsafe coins. At the end of the day, like most investors I could probably imagine we're in this for the long haul. Its got nothing to do with a quick win, it is about supporting the Maidsafe project and hoping that it will pay off much MUCH further down the line. I couldn't give a crap about MSC investors dumping coins below IPO value, that's up to them hopefully they will be kicking themselves a couple of years from now when safecoins are floating at a healthy value.
At the end of the day BTC investors were promised 17,000 maid for 1 btc (+40% bonus) and thats what was delivered. Nothing more, nothing less. Don't get me wrong I still feel for those who lost out on the BTC > MSC > BTC but this sale was very unpredictable and as they say "the early bird gets the worm".
At the end of the day it's over with now, instead of bickering on here like little children lets all sit back, take a deep breath, hold onto our maidsafe coins and lets see how this really plays out in the long term. Finger pointing and jumping to conclusions mid game is a pointless waste of energy and oxygen. The starting pistol has fired. If your in the race just keep running.
And for those of your who didn't invest and are still complaining. Why? Are you that concerned for other forum members well-being or are you just seeking the attention?
My 2 cents.
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SafeCoin has literally nothing in common with MaidSafeCoin.
So., erm, Maidsafe is working on a decentralized internet. If your Safecoin has literally nothing in common with them then what benefits over that are we talking? And I am not sure Monero (Which is not Bytecoin) has failed just yet as stated in the OP. It started less than a week ago. I am not sure about anything else as you say that there is much more 'benchmarking' and 'debating' to be done. I'm not trying to bust chops but there is some information that seems not true or not accurate or however you might want to put it... |
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What do you think he intended? It's shows a racist idiot (rawdog) claiming he's an official representative of this coin, which is indeed totally embarrassing for those involved and a warning for those who are thinking about investing. I would never invest in anything that has an official idiot on staff. Does that make sense or are you still in the unknown?
I would like to see proof that he is a part of Staff and the acceptance of said racism by the developers of Maidsafe prior to attributing racism to the entire project. Especially since David Irvine, the head of Maidsafe, tweeted the following - With #safecoin I will set up a farmer for African villages and will pay direct to wallets of real people, decentralised globalisation!
Other tweets from his account certainly suggest the opposite of racism. If he is an idiot on staff (rawdog) than perhaps that should be addressed but I certainly don't think that it is representative of the project. So I stand by what I stated...I see a lot of ad homs and wasn't going to believe a guy who said something in one post on the internet-especially a guy who posted the following on a Maidsafe/Mt. Gox thread - lol! I was the troll that sent him into a rage. And the Jesus meme was for me. I tell ya, guys are so fucking easy these days. The troll business is definitely booming. Did you guys forget? - it's the internet.
Credible troll is credible? If so, please show me.  |
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Not sure what you are intending with the link to that particular page. I see a lot of bickering and not a lot of comprehension.
For one, the IPO seemed like it was underestimated. I actually woke up in the middle of the night to participate. But many did not. While I used BTC as I had no desire to go through Mastercoin, even I had no idea it would go so fast - I just wanted to be a part of what the Maidsafe is doing (seriously, read their material; good times).
For two, transferring Maidsafe is not easy now as it requires a wallet capable of transferring Smart Property which I am thinking Maidsafe, as a proxy coin, is classified as. As far as I understand, version 4 of Master Wallet will indeed fix that problem as is mentioned on that page though I don't know when. Remember, the IPO was intended to last 30 days and all of the technical aspects of transferring Maidsafe is presumed to have been done in that time, so technically, that aspect is still on schedule.
For three, I participated because I knew that this was a long term project. I didn't expect anything to happen overnight and while the IPO did, until Maidsafe is integrated into other exchanges/is user friendly like other alt coins, the rest of it is going to need to catch up and that might not happen until Maidsafe is exchanged for the proper and USEFUL Safecoin.
So. That is my answer. I still don't know what the intended page link was supposed to convey but it sounds like a lot off topic and ad hominems.
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When will MasterCoin Wallet v 4 be released....I thought it was today. Until it is released there is no easy way to transfer Maidsafe...
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Have BTC investors received the maidsafecoins already?
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No worries and I mean it wholeheartedly. I think a lot of the dialogue and criticism (which is putting it mildly in some cases) in this thread is overlapped by the very many people who are here for speculative means only and have not afforded themselves the luxury of familiarizing themselves with the available information on the people, intentions and product of Maidsafe. So yeah...go kick ass and take names (not literally of course). Decentralized internet sounds pretty useful...  |
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Just wanted to say major props to the Maidsafe team. I especially appreciate the mind toward community and am looking forward to seeing what you guys can do.
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I think that one of the major issues is that MSAFE is still a proxy coin that will be exchanged for Safecoin in the nearish future. Couple that with the fact that the proxy coin is not very user friendly and is difficult for the average user and I am not surprised people are unloading at this point.
I think there will be a different story when everything is up and running. For now...I might even just leave the few MSafe I acquired on the QT wallet and wait to even see them properly when the Mastercoin wallet catches up or until its time to exchange for Safecoiin proper.
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Cool...thanks guys. I'll worry about moving them when they get here. No real intention to do that immediately...
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We need to see one of two things now. We need either to see the Safecoins showing up in our Masterchest or other Mastercoin wallets. Or we need to see the actual working MaidSafe platform. Either way, if they don't want to or can't, what choice do we have outside of litigation? However, we went into it with our eyes wide open (shut?). I have a potentially n00b question. I used a Bitcoin QT wallet to send my Bitcoin. I had no reason to think that I needed to do otherwise based on what I read. So I should receive the Maidsafe coins in that wallet, right? Or did I need a Mastercoin wallet? I'm not worried about their process; they update their progress consistently on safecoin.io and I have received what I think was part of the testing of their automated dispersal...I am just wondering now (Lolz if it is too late) if I should have used a Mastercion wallet... |
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Since they evidently have been around a while, I assume some people knew of them. I just find the amount that the IPO has taken in, at this speed, really somewhat odd.
I don't. Decentralized internet is a huge step. I didn't think they would be accepting any more BTC when I woke up in my timezone. And apparently the only reason they were is because of the decision to buy out the remaining MSC in order to allow for continued BTC purchases...so technically they sold out before I woke up. |
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I thought you were quoting the father in A Christmas Story there for a moment.
More Fraggle Rock meets the Renaissance Faire... Anyway, although MaidSafe does appear real, and they have all the devs/employees listed upon their website, the way the IPO was carried out does seem very peculiar. A LOT of money was put into this IPO, with very little (like no) pre-announcement, little fanfare and very little in the way of buildup. It did feel almost like someone put up a random IPO post, and cash just flew their way.
Unlike something like Ethereum, which most here have heard of, I am not sure if many heard of MaidSafe before. When I first saw the thread title, I thought... oh no... a coin for hiring cleaning workers...
I was aware of Maidsafe months before this and heard of them at about the same time as Ethereum. It should be noted that Ethereum postponed there IPO in January because of community concerns and that this particular IPO happened so fast that it is reasonable to say that there was little to done to anticipate this amount of demand. Ethereum is likely watching this very closely to see what worked and what didn't and as well a gauging point for demand. This isn't something new that just happened; many have been waiting months for this. For the record...since I don't want this to be any more about Ethereum...I like what Maidsafe is doing better and that is why I am here saying what I am. If people don't put the effort out to do the research then I can't really defend the logic behind reactionary posts. That isn't intended to be derogatory...just a statement of fact. |
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So you joined Bitcointalk a few hours after this IPO started? lol
Long time lurker. Lots to be said for Lurking MOAR... Because reading and stuff... Apologies to the thread - I am off topic and will not continue it. Thank you. |
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So what are you all going to say when he runs away with your coins? This scam is so obvious. I'm guessing the actual investments are somewhere around 100 BTC, which will make it worth his while.
I'll say, "Forflaggern shorfuentifn...sdhuewiudjkn!!!" Because that is what English sounds like in the alternate universe you seem to be proposing... DIrvine is stout...little effort to verify and Maidsafe is way more than a BC clone which is what WC is and seemingly the basis of your expertise. Cheers! |
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"we are processing the BTC manually, but looks like the Master Protocol guys may automate this for us. We are updating the site now to explain this process and the intention. It seems there may be 24-48 delay on seeing the MSAFE coins, but the blockchain confirms receipt of the BTC and we have created a spreadsheet detailing all the tx that we were using for the manual process."
from dirvine
Could you please provide a link in this thread when the site is updated? |
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I sent a bitcoin about 2 hours ago, the website says nothing about being sold out. What happens now?
They said it would take approximately 24 hours for BTC addresses to be credited if I am not mistaken... |
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