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2061  Other / Politics & Society / Re: VISA & MASTERCARD blocked Russians from accessing their money on: July 22, 2014, 10:45:43 AM
What are Russians doing at the moment with their money?

Sanctions might be getting worse and fast, due to the airplane.  If I was in Russia I would be converting all my disposable money into Bitcoin - Bitcoin shouldn't change that whole much but the Russian economy could be in the gutter if big sanctions are placed against it.
2062  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First airline to accept Bitcoin for payment - AirBaltic on: July 22, 2014, 10:42:30 AM
It's a start, the slight disconnect around tx fees notwithstanding
The average user of AirBaltis is likely not the usual cryptocionado demographic, so that's a mainstreaming aspect as well

Governments and merchants seem to think crypto currencies will be $1+ trillion plus within years, so may as well get on the band wagon.

Problem is that Wall Street and main street hasn't exactly jumped on board yet.  Wall street generally doesn't like throwing money at things with 'low volume' (low for them) and lack of regulations.  Many people on mainstreet don't understand Bitcoin yet.

Tom Leykis on the radio was talking about Bitcoin this last friday and he absolutely hates Bitcoin due to Satoshi's anonymity, Bitcoin not representing anything and volatility (his words not mine) and compared it with Tulips.

2063  Other / Politics & Society / US Military and CIA officers leading ISIS in Iraq? on: July 22, 2014, 09:47:53 AM


Major Jim Grant served in Afghanistan and he and his team often went "native" as per the picture above.   It's a long tradition going back to Lawrence of Arabia who posed as an Arab and led all the Arabs to fight the Turks.  There's no magical DNA thingy which stops you from dressing up like an Afghan or an Arab.


This is in compared to a lot of photos I have seen about ISIS which feature white men.  You might say they are Chechens or Tajiks but I've read testimony months ago from Iraqis in Mosul who said these guys could neither speak Arabic or Chechen or couldn't identify the language the men were talking in.


Guy on the left may as well be Sylvester Stallone (Rocky Movies), the guy in the middle Nick Frost (Shaun of the Dead) and the guy on the far right Damian Lewis (Band of Brothers / Homeland).    Looks like they rounded up a bunch of white guys from America or England and sent them into Iraq to lead the insurgency.







110% sure this guy is from Florida or Alabama.

I'm running on the theory that the Sauds and the West are financing the Sunni Rebels (ISIS) and even sending in advisors / officers from America and Britain to lead them.  Might explain why a bunch of Toyotas (pickup trucks) have been defeating Iraqi tanks and seizing entire military bases and airfields.


The west and the Sauds are afraid of Iran and the Shiites.  Iran (Shiite) controls Hezbollah and Syria as proxies and is said to control most of Iraq.  The West is responding now by leading a Sunni insurgency.
2064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First airline to accept Bitcoin for payment - AirBaltic on: July 22, 2014, 09:01:12 AM
I've flown on air baltic and yeah I recall them tacking on all sorts of miscellaneous fees.  There's a lot of low cost air lines where, if you check a bag, that's an extra $50 they tack on.

2065  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: who are those 1% of the new world order of bitcoin economy? on: July 22, 2014, 07:17:22 AM
That comes down to the scarcity model.  If Bitcoin was theoretically better distributed then it might be worth less or wouldn't had gone anywhere (as it would had been dumped to death). .  It's only a guess as we've not really seen an egalitarian or a fairer distribution model exceed yet.
2066  Other / Politics & Society / Re: North Koreans Among Most Malnourished in Asia on: July 20, 2014, 06:51:46 PM
Well the most recent photos show that Koreans are eating better.  I've even seen photos of fat infantrymen.

The Korean starvation is no different than the Cuban near starvation - the USSR was done in the early 1990s and both North Korea and Cuba were left isolated in the global trading network and it took them time to adjust.  The results would had been no different if European countries decided to go Autarky in the early 1990s.

Technically speaking very few countries in the world are food independent and must import to make up the gap.  In Europe, if I recall, France is the only country which is self-sufficient in food production and the rest have to import their food from North and South America.

2067  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you enjoy eating Shawarma? on: July 20, 2014, 06:45:12 PM
Didn't they used to smash grapes with their feet in wine making?

At least the only dirty Shawarma is presumably the stuff on the very top.   Cheesy
2068  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Remember when Russia gave SU-25s to Iraq? ISIS just captured them on: July 19, 2014, 10:21:50 PM


These are the same SU-25,

 Sukhoi Su-35

No Russia sold them SU-25 (CAS).  
2069  Other / Politics & Society / Remember when Russia gave SU-25s to Iraq? ISIS just captured them on: July 19, 2014, 09:31:24 PM
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Militants confiscate seven Russian military planes
 
Iraqi Sunni Tribal Rebels insurgents have reportedly captured the Speicher Airbase north of Tikrit city in the Salahaddin Province of northern Iraq.
 
Abu Abed Al-Naimi, spokesman for the IS off-shoot knows as the Iraqi Sunni Tribal Rebels, told BasNews that their militants have captured the airbase and have seven Russian Sukhoi Su-35 military planes under their surveillance.
 
He also claimed that their group has captured hundreds of Iraqi soldiers and a number of Iranian fighters who were captured alongside the army.
 
After the Iraq war in 2003, the Speicher airbase was used by the US Army, named in honor of Michael Scott Speicher who was a United States Navy pilot shot down over Iraq during the Persian Gulf War in 1991.
http://basnews.com/en/News/Details/Sunni-rebels-seize-Speicher-Airbase-in-Tikrit/27220

These are the same SU-25, a month ago, which the Iraqi Government reportedly paid $500 million for. 
2070  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 08:13:40 AM
NEM is just reaction form jealous guys who missed the train. Get over it. NXT is still cheap. Distribution is not over!

Litecoin is just reaction form jealous guys who missed the train.  Get over it.  Bitcoin is still cheap.  Distribution is not over!
2071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 08:01:38 AM
Why is 3000 or 5000 or even 10000 stakeholder of NEM better than 70 in NXT. Nothing is fair when we talking about money. Money need to be transparent not fair. Is Bitcoin unfair because of his creator? Satoshi fortune is around 1M Bitcoins, maybe more.

its simple statistics. why do they use the word "fair distribution" "decentralized" ?

simply put.

if 5000 people took part and they are all unique shares (hence fair distributed). let say 10,000 coin for each.

even if no one else is interested into buying once it hits and exchange there is a 50-50 chance that it will be half sell and half hold between current share holders.  
assuming half selling then its 25 000 000 coins sold.
half holding mean that there is 2500 shareholders who will probably buy all this 25,000,000 coins back
hence leaving 50,000,000 coin between 2500 people. or considering a mass panic sells then 50 mill coin between 1200 people who held their coins and bought more.

doing it the other way with only 70 people. at 50 mill coins thats ~714000 coins per person.
very low number to think it will be 50-50 sell or hold. it wont mater. (hence bad distributed)
even if 10 people sell , that is massive sell order. leaving 60 people hoarding and 10 out
as a buyer will you jump and but this coin once its out in the exchange?
its a bad distribution model.


I don't understand the point in your hypothetical ramble.

NEM is already being traded on the asset exchange and it hasn't been dumped to death, neither has NXT.  There's a difference between handing out coins to investors / pseudo-investors and then giving something out to everybody (Aurora).


okay bud.

i am not going to argue why that was a bad distribution. that's very obvious. but that also means that the top holder have tons of coin to grease/buy developments and push the coin forward. as we have been seeing. so i am not here to kick down any coins. I care less.

i can't read the future. all people been telling you is that is much riskier investment. you got a coin with bad history and serious accusation, but at the same time it is moving along and trying to find its spot. you seem to have chosen your path. good luck in your investment.



So I disprove your FUD with simple proof and you retort with that?  NEM's distribution is better than anything out there unless you think POW is good distribution (maybe back in 2009 or 2010 when everything was pre-ASIC and pre-GPU but nowadays a small group of hardware kings dominate all the new mining coins).


2072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 07:52:21 AM
Why is 3000 or 5000 or even 10000 stakeholder of NEM better than 70 in NXT. Nothing is fair when we talking about money. Money need to be transparent not fair. Is Bitcoin unfair because of his creator? Satoshi fortune is around 1M Bitcoins, maybe more.

its simple statistics. why do they use the word "fair distribution" "decentralized" ?

simply put.

if 5000 people took part and they are all unique shares (hence fair distributed). let say 10,000 coin for each.

even if no one else is interested into buying once it hits and exchange there is a 50-50 chance that it will be half sell and half hold between current share holders. 
assuming half selling then its 25 000 000 coins sold.
half holding mean that there is 2500 shareholders who will probably buy all this 25,000,000 coins back
hence leaving 50,000,000 coin between 2500 people. or considering a mass panic sells then 50 mill coin between 1200 people who held their coins and bought more.

doing it the other way with only 70 people. at 50 mill coins thats ~714000 coins per person.
very low number to think it will be 50-50 sell or hold. it wont mater. (hence bad distributed)
even if 10 people sell , that is massive sell order. leaving 60 people hoarding and 10 out
as a buyer will you jump and but this coin once its out in the exchange?
its a bad distribution model.


I don't understand the point in your hypothetical ramble.

NEM is already being traded on the asset exchange and it hasn't been dumped to death, neither has NXT.  There's a difference between handing out coins to investors / pseudo-investors and then giving something out to everybody (Aurora).
2073  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT/NEM or Monero/Bytecoin? on: July 18, 2014, 07:46:24 AM
Why is 3000 or 5000 or even 10000 stakeholder of NEM better than 70 in NXT. Nothing is fair when we talking about money. Money need to be transparent not fair. Is Bitcoin unfair because of his creator? Satoshi fortune is around 1M Bitcoins, maybe more.

That's been my primary qualm with NEM from the start -- 3000 vs. 73 is meaningless.

NEM's PoI can be significant. 3000 initial stakeholders is not.

It was not equal distribution between 73.  There was a 1.5 BTC limit and only 20 people invested the limit, and without any taint analysis we don't know how many of those said 20 were socks.   We also don't know if those 20 people had any crony or nepotism connection with each other.  The other 53 or so people got the scraps.  For people who claim freeloading is an issue in NEM - there's NxT whales with 40+ million coins who haven't logged in months and don't contribute to coding, discussion or even funding.


A distribution of 3000 isn't intended to be a planetary distribution.  We know Aurora tried to give coins to every Icelander and its' value plummeted when the first batch were selling their coins for beer and salted herring.  Ironically, it echoed the original "air drop" that was the privatization voucher of the FSU in the early 1990s (which people promptly sold to door-to-door salesmen and used the proceeds to buy liquor.  

"So most people immediately sold their voucher on the street for about seven dollars. You could get two bottles of cheap vodka for the price of one voucher." are the results you can see on Google.  Some salesmen even traded chocolate snicker bars for vouchers.  A lot of the salesmen who acquired those vouchers later became very rich).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voucher_privatization


The distribution was to weaken the influence of any whales, sockpuppets or incidents of cronyism.  To match the power of an early NxT investor one would have to create 160 sockpuppets in NEM back in January (160 times of bypassing taint analysis which was only revealed later, 160 times of dealing with the anti-spam restrictions on this forum, 160 times of creating socks for a worthless coin, et cetera) and creating 160 socks for a worthless coin was beyond any normal person's patience.




2074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Moderated Thread - Open Alpha Has Launched[Updates & Discussion] on: July 18, 2014, 07:21:43 AM
Is this really 1,000 a share? This is definitely cryptohistory in the making however this plays out.

It was $1500 when NxT was over 6 cents.  Now it's floating around $1050 - $1100 as NxT went down to 4 cents (NEM's value is highly dependent on the $Fiat value of NxT).  If NxT were to hit 11 cents again then a NEMstake would be worth close to $3000.

That's also not counting the possibility that the NxT value of a NEMstake can increase along with the $Fiat value, which I think it's almost a certainty the closer we get to launch.  
2075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Moderated Thread - Open Alpha Has Launched[Updates & Discussion] on: July 18, 2014, 03:46:44 AM
Which huge effect are you talking about?  NEM at Sell is 25K NxT.  When NEM was at 26K - 30K that was euphoria (hype buying) from the alpha, imo.  

NEM's $Fiat value is highly dependent on NxT's $Fiat value and NxT went from 8-9 cents in June down to 4 cents in July.  There's a possibility NxT could drop even lower.
2076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Monero the next Pump and Dump of the Month on: July 17, 2014, 07:08:42 PM
Get in before you miss out!  Monero will likely hit $40 million and then die a slow death.
2077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [NXT] Nxt - Official Thread on: July 16, 2014, 06:49:01 PM
You're making the assumption that the NxT community was ever friendly.  They've been bullying and harassing people on that forum for an extremely long time, it's part of the reason why I never moved onto the newer forum and why some people are still active on the old one.    
2078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Kora::100% POS|Qora Clone|Free & Fair ~3k users|issued NXT AE asap on: July 16, 2014, 06:11:05 PM
It doesn't matter if something is free or not.  There's a lot of dumpers in cryptos who sell everything as soon as they get even the smallest return.
2079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT VS NEM on: July 16, 2014, 12:47:29 AM
It will be even *unfair* when millions of people have an account and funds.

Just think about it, in 100 years 95+% of the people living then are not alive today. Do you think they will be happy with the distribution today?

Well shit, you can't make something "fair".... Nothing is fair in the world, and 70, 3000, or 1 million. Everything is unfair, and using that as an argument is stupid, the only thing that matters is network effects and fact is that NXT has more active participants than NEM will have at start.

So stop blarring please and concetrate on making NEM a great coin.

No need for straw man arguments.  NEM's distribution was never about distributing something to all 7 billion people on the planet.  If you're looking for a Communist Coin then Community Coin is for you (their coin is already a red background and you only need to change the suffix).

It's to ensure that the coin's distribution wasn't divided in a cronyism fashion and to ensure stability by preventing whales.  

 As NEM was distributed to almost 3000 stakeholders you can guaranteed that 99% have no connection with each other.



If we take NxT's example - only 20 accounts invested the 1 BTC but we don't know who those 20 accounts are, it could just be 10 people and 6 of them are BCnext and/or his friends.  Nobody wants to invest into a ponzi scheme or a get quick rich scheme.  The only reason BTC went so far was because the distribution model implies there was a vague democratic process in who received the BTC (that's the theory at least.  In practice, people like Satoshi took over a million BTC but that's almost never mentioned).


I always forget why I shouldn't argue with you.. You are always using semantics to make your argument and don't see the big picture that make your argument invalid all the time.

There's no equivocation in my argument.
Your retort with an ad nauseum and an accusation of semantic arguing is not a counterargument but a red herring.

You keep on spewing lies about NEM and clearly ignore that NxT has severe flaws.  If you don't like logic or choose to ignore it then let's look at the math.  NxT, before the public knew about it's terrible distribution, was $0.09.  NxT, after the public knew about the distribution and started planning forks, went down to $0.025 by April 2013.

NxT's main rhetoric is that it's innovative but at the same time it's flawed rhetoric as there are multiple coins as innovative as NxT and/or the mainstream user does not care about innovation beyond a marketing point (as people almost never use the complete functionality of their smartphones, computers or websites like Facebook).
2080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: NXT VS NEM on: July 16, 2014, 12:35:58 AM
It will be even *unfair* when millions of people have an account and funds.

Just think about it, in 100 years 95+% of the people living then are not alive today. Do you think they will be happy with the distribution today?

Well shit, you can't make something "fair".... Nothing is fair in the world, and 70, 3000, or 1 million. Everything is unfair, and using that as an argument is stupid, the only thing that matters is network effects and fact is that NXT has more active participants than NEM will have at start.

So stop blarring please and concetrate on making NEM a great coin.

No need for straw man arguments.  NEM's distribution was never about distributing something to all 7 billion people on the planet.

It's to ensure that the coin's distribution wasn't divided in a cronyism fashion and to ensure stability by preventing whales.  



If we take NxT's example - only 20 accounts invested the 1 BTC but we don't know who those 20 accounts are, it could just be 10 people and 6 of them are BCnext and/or his friends.  
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