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1261  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Reddit is thinking about creating a cryptocurrency on: October 01, 2014, 08:59:56 PM
Does Reddit even have $50 million in disposable cash?  I think what they meant is they tacked on an artificial price to these Reddit coins and are expecting buyers to honor that price, which shows how naive they are.  If there's no way to negotiate the price for these coins then it's not a crypto currency but like Amazon coins.
1262  Economy / Speculation / What would happen if BTC was the main economic currency and yet.. on: October 01, 2014, 09:40:34 AM
It lost 2/3rd of its' value within a year like what happened in 2014?  Imagine if everybody lost 2/3rd of their purchasing power?  What would the economic results of this be?
1263  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ebola has reached America on: October 01, 2014, 09:12:53 AM
Is it possible this could spread faster within America than within Africa?  I think most people in Africa are subsistence agriculturalists or urban dwellers who don't really commute long distances.

The thing about America is people are so afraid of losing their jobs that they don't even take sick days when they need them.  There could also be more personal contact in American culture than African culture (such as shaking hands with strangers).  Then public gatherings like sport arenas where you can have large groups of people in close proximity with each other.

1264  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 07:58:41 AM
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I would make it optional (just like token request is optional).  If you want that extra layer of security of being email verified over BTT verified then you send Patmast3r / xtester a message containing your email.

Just a reminder that, once you send out that message, that you delete your sent outbox (so if your BTT is compromised then whoever has your account can't find out what email you gave Patmast3r / Xtester)

Such a pm could also come from an overtaken account so there is really no way to know if the email will be legit.
My advice is to store the token (I hope we can send out really soon) somewhere other than btt and then delete the pm. After that you can do with your btt account whatever you want Smiley

It's an individuals responsibility to report their account being compromised as soon as possible (ASAP).   NEM has been in pre-release for a long time now.  Hasn't there been two previous breaches prior to the current one?  Seems like if you had an account compromised for months and didn't report it then it was probably a forgotten account to begin with.
1265  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 07:37:02 AM
Hi   I just attempted to log in here to Bicointalk.org, and had trouble with my password - which I hadn't changed.

Was getting nowhere, so I requested a password change, waited - no email was sent to my registered address.

Finally got in via my 'secret question' to find my email address had been changed to a Russian one!

My password for this site btw is around 16 characters/upper/lower/numbers etc   so should be impossible to guess.

I have now changed my email address back to my original one, and changed my password (another long random one)

My PC is clean, no keyloggers or trojans etc

Given that our Btc.Org accounts are our proof of Nem stake, I am concerned this may happen again.

Advice appreciated





gald you got your account back.

@devs, perhaps the "token" or "code" that will be used for redemption should be sent out ASAP to prevent any more lost accounts for what ever reasons?

Actually,  we should have the email account sent instead. THis is all going to be messy as we do not know who is real and who is fake anymore. It could be a hijack in plan and we don't know.

If we don't know who's fake anymore how would you like to collect those email addresses ? Smiley

Well unless you want to read and organize information from 3000 profiles.

I would make it optional (just like token request is optional).  If you want that extra layer of security of being email verified over BTT verified then you send Patmast3r / xtester a message containing your email.

Just a reminder that, once you send out that message, that you delete your sent outbox (so if your BTT is compromised then whoever has your account can't find out what email you gave Patmast3r / Xtester)
1266  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 07:33:19 AM
Yes, wealth is a state of mind. If someone from the middle ages had access to immediate safe water supply, inside toilets, ability to get all over the world in hours and entertainment at his fingertips( internet) and so on......then I dare say that person would consider himself more wealthy than his king.

I emphasize wealth more than technology.   I don't mistake wealth as being exclusive to the rich but rather wealth as a measure of independence.

  You can have someone in contemporary times with access to these contemporary things (and distractions) but they might be working 60 hours a week at three part time jobs.  Would you rather be that part time worker or a Medieval King?   That is a comparison of extremes I guess.

Especially with how society has devolved - I think I would rather take my chance as a Cowboy in the 1890s when there was plentiful free land than the possible future where 99% of people are living in rental apartments (but with distractions).  Granted this is me coming from an international Anglophone Pax Americana culture where owning real estate is culturally important.


1267  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 07:03:04 AM
always amazes me why governments and even the people seem to think that 2% inflation is acceptable and even good. over 10 years at this rate means a devaluation of 22% of the money. Thats fine if wages keep up but they invariably dont.

People WILL spend money when they need to. Do you really think that someone will put off buying a car or something for the house or anything for that matter because it will be slightly cheaper next year? Its not human nature.

another thing. people will just have to learn to keep their passwords secure ...or else lose everything...

Stagflation is the correct term for the first sentence.

The necessity argument is true but there's also inheritance as well.   I can't really name many dynasties which preserved their wealth for centuries, other then the Rothschild (their alleged wealth could just be allegations and no basis in reality).

Most of the wealthy dynasties today are families which emerged after 1913, when inflationary $Fiat became king.  In an inflationary supply it seems like all the printed or fractional reserve wealth is concentrated into a few hands and worker's incomes decline due to stagflation and their savings are diminished through the hidden tax on the poor being inflation.


Of course even with a fixed monetary supply it doesn't really address the problem of fractional reserves which is where most of the inflation is coming from.  In ancient times, you just told the King that you suspect the gold keeper was lying or you send the mob to investigate.    Today, banks can announce "banking holidays" (or blame "technical errors from hackers), all the numbers are digital (so no physical vaults that can be inspected) and various tricks in the book to avoid a bank panic.




 
1268  Other / Politics & Society / Re: America's richest and poorest states on: October 01, 2014, 05:21:46 AM
Often that cost would be passed down onto the consumers.  Forget about rich bourgeoisie - most businesses today are lucky to even see a 5% profit margin and that money is often channeled back into the business to expand operations.

The poor states also have to consider the retirement economy.  A lot of older rich New Yorkers go down to the lower half states to retire, because everything there is simply cheaper due to the lower minimum wage..  that's not some evil oppressive thing, it's just 101 stretch out your savings.  If minimum wage increases in the poorer states than a lot of the seniors may just leave for another state or another country.



 
1269  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alternates are almost $600 million vs Bitcoin's $5 billion. on: October 01, 2014, 05:18:48 AM
that marketcap of altcoin is not stable or long term
most altcoin dies in less then 1 year
bitcoin is still king of cryptocurrency
And it'll remain the King for ever. instead of having less feature it still rules. It's the first crypto currency, so it'll always remain in it's position.

No..

2013 alternates was all scams like BBQ coin that was worth $9 million.  Crypto scene has changed a lot with these 2.0. currencies and then the 1.5 anonymity coins.
1270  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 04:53:06 AM
“Inflation will erupt even when the supply of money does NOT increase – it depends upon DEMAND. If the people decide to hoard toilet paper because of a coming storm, the price will rise with demand.” - http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/06/inflation-is-not-always-caused-by-change-in-money-supply-deflation-is-engulfing-europe/

What NEM is missing as well as other cryptos is a supply and demand model. When there is demand for NEM more NEM will be created, no demand for NEM then none will be created (would be better if some of the NEM were destroyed. Good article here: http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp

Supply and demand works both ways.  If demand falls then the system would have to remove NEM from circulation (tax) or some NEMbank would have to create fake demand - both scenarios would be PR disasters.

Give someone a reason to buy NEM if they're being subject to all these taxes / fees / inflation?  Forget it - they'll be walking to the nearest Vanguard Investment Branch or would be looking at real estate investments.


Obviously I am not blind and I see what you are attempting to do.  You want us to implement eMunie's system but eMunie's system has long been debated on Bitcointalk and most people are against it.



I think eMunie has an interesting economic model, but it is somewhat complicated and it would be better to keep the core simple and allow more complex institutions and derivatives to be built on top. And they will most certainly be built by someone.

As mentioned before, NEM will be destroyed over time by people losing accts or sending NEM to bogus addresses. I think a very small amount of NEM creation might make sense because of that. This hasn't been decided, of course. TS and others make good points.

Coins can be "lost" but the net result would probably be more coins "gained".   There will be all this NEM that will likely be created by third entities due to fractional reserves or even the asset exchange.    The NXT asset exchange already had some assets that were worth more than the total supply of NXT.


NEM will support colored coins so I think the core NEM itself should be untouched.  If you want to experiment with some eMunie hatching coin or some inflationary coin then that can likely be done with a colored coin.

If crypto currencies go mainstream then most national governments would likely go down the colored coin route (as it gives them the choice to do whatever they want, like print more coins to make their exports cheaper).

1271  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 04:28:59 AM
“Inflation will erupt even when the supply of money does NOT increase – it depends upon DEMAND. If the people decide to hoard toilet paper because of a coming storm, the price will rise with demand.” - http://armstrongeconomics.com/2014/04/06/inflation-is-not-always-caused-by-change-in-money-supply-deflation-is-engulfing-europe/

What NEM is missing as well as other cryptos is a supply and demand model. When there is demand for NEM more NEM will be created, no demand for NEM then none will be created (would be better if some of the NEM were destroyed. Good article here: http://www.investopedia.com/university/economics/economics3.asp

Supply and demand works both ways.  If demand falls then the system would have to remove NEM from circulation (tax) or some NEMbank would have to create fake demand - both scenarios would be PR disasters.

Give someone a reason to buy NEM if they're being subject to all these taxes / fees / inflation?  Forget it - they'll be walking to the nearest Vanguard Investment Branch or would be looking at real estate investments.


Obviously I am not blind and I see what you are attempting to do.  You want us to implement eMunie's system but eMunie's system has long been debated on Bitcointalk and most people are against it.

1272  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Joshua Zeidner: I will shut down NxT coin and have Jl777 (SuperNet) jailed. on: October 01, 2014, 03:48:48 AM
http://cointelegraph.com/news/112643/the-mystery-of-the-missing-1000000-nxt

Read the comment's section.

Quote

Just to clarify, I have just contacted the NYDFS and intend to contact the SEC regarding this ongoing slander from this financial fraud scheme called NXT. The author of this article, and the blog hosting it is also liable for defamation.

My hopes are that jl777 and anyone else profiting from the illegal activity at NXT will be prosecuted and jailed. My understanding is that Federal Authorities are looking to clean up this area, and by supplying the authorities with the information I have regarding NXT, I hope to have them permanently shut down and these anonymous people being brought to justice. They had more recently threatened Jeff Garzik for exposing the fact that their software distribution was a trojan horse. Your magazine clearly has no standards, quite obviously is taking payouts for 'information' such as this as after Garzik's revelations regarding NXT, you attempt to defend them(my own defense aside).

For the record, I have nothing to hide and plan on seeking legal action with the authorities as quickly and as extensively as possible. My hopes are the jl777's activities cease and he is thrown in jail.

The operators in this area are due for a very severe educational experience regarding how justice works and what are the repercussions of repeated harassment, slander, and violent threats.
1273  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Reddit is thinking about creating a cryptocurrency on: October 01, 2014, 03:30:03 AM
reddit is not making a crypto..
however a user that has moderator status of a few subthreads they created, is now shouting out about making a altcoin.. again. a USER. not the reddit CEO

so heres the problems i see
1. if there was a reddit coin. and it happen to get such fame that reddit adopted it to replace the reddit gold. then, there would be nothing to stop people removing value out of reddit (withdrawing gold) to then convert into fiat for users selfishness.
2. if its a crypto with people having wallets outside of reddit.. then its minable, thus not helping reddit.
3. if reddit made a coin purely for closed source internal use to keep control and get people to buy coin from them only.. then they might aswell stick with mysql and not have a blockchain.

so there are the 3 reasons reddit themselves are not really interested in making a coin themselves. its much easier to accept donations of bitcoin

 

Actually "yishan" is the Reddit CEO. Here's an article where he is quoted about it: http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/30/reddit-scoops-up-50m-series-b-from-sam-altman-a16z-sequoia-at-500m-valuation/

They want to use it to redistribute 10% of $50 MM. back to the community.



So it's an air drop (they've been failing since the 1990s) and a centralized currency just like Ripple / Stellar - no thanks.

Just a money making scheme for Reddit forum - move along.
1274  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: October 01, 2014, 02:26:28 AM
The way you get people to spend their coins is to increase the price of the coin or to give them incentives to spend.  PoI in a way is a lot like those reward points you see in credit cards / debit cards and people love that stuff.

I respectfully disagree. Increasing the price of the coin encourages people to hoard, not spend. If people think time will increase their wealth, they will not spend. That is why deflation is such a threat. In deflationary economies, spending power increases over time, and consumer spending drops precipitously.

Inflation has the opposite effect. It erodes spending power over time. While it's bad for an individual, it's healthy for an economy. It makes people less likely to save and more likely to spend because it causes spending power to decrease over time.

Actually there would still be immense inflation in a fixed total supply.  Leave the total supply alone.

Fractional Reserve Banking has been around since 6000 BC (when people deposited their gold into the prototypical banks in return for scrip and there were more IOUs than reserves).  FRB in the modern era means banks can print immense fortunes out of thin air and this is the cause for a lot of inflation in our world.  FRB won't go away just because we have digital currencies.   There's even fractional reserves in the world's gold supply (more gold exists on paper than what actually exists).

Then there's the inflation / deflation cycles that occur from velocity of money and market conditions (war, droughts, overproduction, underproduction, et cetera).



As I said before inflation is a tax on the poor and it simply doesn't belong in a digital currency and should be minimized (why would the mainstream adopt digital currencies if they can preserve their wealth better through things like Vanguard Investments, real estate, et cetera).


1275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: September 30, 2014, 09:28:57 PM
Now this is an important move through which crypto enters a new phase: http://techcrunch.com/2014/09/30/reddit-scoops-up-50m-series-b-from-sam-altman-a16z-sequoia-at-500m-valuation/?ncid=rss

Once one such startup begins experimenting, a lot other will follow.

Yeah this 'experiment' could be tried on other websites.  Is it viable?  Historically when did an "air drop" ever succeed?  The oldest example I know are those privatization vouchers in the 1990s and that was a disaster and no air drop in crypto has yet to succeed either.

Seems like this is more going to be like Doge - Cryptos for new people and eventually these people will move onto more serious alternates.

1276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: NEM Official Thread - Crowdsale has begun[Updates & Discussion] on: September 30, 2014, 08:41:01 PM
What does the rest think about this ? Inflation in NEM ? If it's a very small inflation it could be a good thing.

I haven't studied this at all.  

My guess is a very small amount might be okay.  

I don't think it will ever be okay.   Inflation is a tax on the poor.  All the new coins simply end up in the hands of the economic elite within the coin and smaller holders are penalized.

There's a lot of inflationary coins out there (PoW and PoS) and most of them fail with time.  What's the point of cryptos as a store of wealth when I can open an account at Vanguard Investment and get 1%-2% return above inflation and it is almost guaranteed my money will be there in the next 12 months?

I think it's crazy that people think 1%-5% annual inflation is ok.  It's not OK for me to lose 25% of my wealth in 5 years so some crypto-elite can have more money.  Even 5% is too much.  It's my money, I am not giving it away to some wealthy person through a hidden tax like inflation when I am already paying out of the a$$ for real world taxes (which ironically goes to the rich due to all the corruption within the government or the rich being the government).


If you want people to spend their coins then you need to stop using Communist tactics.
Vladimir Lenin: "The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation."


The way you get people to spend their coins is to increase the price of the coin or to give them incentives to spend.  PoI in a way is a lot like those reward points you see in credit cards / debit cards and people love that stuff.
1277  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Less than 13 million people own atleast 1 bitcoin. NOT GOOD on: September 30, 2014, 08:28:09 PM
Bitcoin CEO commits suicide
MtGox collapses and... "it's gone"
Bitcoin rich spending their days drinking shots of stoli and smoking weed (aka get quick rich scheme)
Hacks / vulnerabilities
Volatile price swings (someone who bought at the peak in December would have lost 2/3 of their investment so far)


Yeah there could be reasons why Bitcoin userbase is only 500K-2M users.  Trust me I used to tell everybody I know to get into Bitcoin and they gave answers like the above why they wouldn't go in.
1278  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are bitcoiners better people than the current rich? on: September 30, 2014, 01:11:57 PM
Meanwhile in the off-topic section we have threads like what would you do if you had a million dollars and most of the answers are like:  "Yachts, Cocaine, Hookers".


Not to say the elite can't engage in those vices but last I check most of them put up the front of a traditional marriage with children.
1279  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Alternates are almost $600 million vs Bitcoin's $5 billion. on: September 30, 2014, 12:09:26 PM
I've noticed that Bitcoin's price continues to go down while many alternates are maintaining their values or going up.  Yes some alternates do temporarily go down but the amount of change is negligible compared to how BTC used to be $1200 and now it's $380.

 Note:  I am not talking about just LTC (there are many many alternates outside the top 3.  Some of these coins didn't even exist in 2013 and yet have capitalizations in the 10s of millions).  There are likewise many new alternates with a capitalization in the millions which did not exist months ago.



http://coinmarketcap.com/


At this rate it looks like alternates may hit $1 billion capitalization while Bitcoin's capitalization declines.  Looks like people are using alternates as a hedge against Bitcoin losses.

1280  Other / Off-topic / Re: If you had $0,000,000 what would you do? on: September 30, 2014, 10:38:58 AM
Especially if you live in Europe - typical prison in Europe (especially in Norway / Sweden) is like a gated country golf club compared to American prison. 

Norwegian prisons have free Wifi and luxury mattresses

Videos games, buffet food, weekend passes (meaning you can go to town), et cetera.
They even have a luxurious penal colony on an island where there are no guards, you can chop wood, fish, et cetera.

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