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2081  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Warning Against Using Taint on: June 07, 2012, 04:52:36 AM
This is such a non-issue, but I thought I'd chime in. If you are a vendor and someone wants to spend tainted bitcoin at your store and you refuse them, your competitor probably will not.
Only if your competitor is outside of the physical jurisdiction enforcing the taint.
This may however be a good argument against implementing taint in any particular country - as it provides incentive for people to use foreign merchants, thus harming the local economy!

If however, the control-points  are things like supermarkets which have captive local consumers - it's unfortunately not going to be enough to stop it.

Anyway.. the likely implementation would be that the merchant accepts them, but applies the prescribed tax and asks for a further small payment before you walk out of the store.


That's no remotely likely. The coins will usually be going to a safe place not accessable by the on duty clerk. If the customers doesn't want to pay or can't pay the essentially random extra tax are you going to return the coins.. later? different ones?

You are not going to have a popular store that way.

The only way this would happen is if someone forced stores to do it. And even then they would probably bail on bitcoin unless someone was forcing them to keep using it.
2082  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] Coming next week-- the world's first handheld Bitcoin device, the Ellet! on: June 07, 2012, 04:29:25 AM
First off, I would have reamed you a new asshole if you had posted this announcement on Reddit first, but it looks like that's not the case.

Second, for marketing purposes, I wouldn't (have) name it Ellet, for if one wants to learn more about this excellent device, Google results will have it buried below the fold (About 2,120,000 results). Elletia is not even a good choice: About 19,500 results. Hell, even Atlas could have accidentally done better, for Woolong Device is currently at about 182 results.

This post is in way dissing the team behind Ellet or the product itself, but damn it guys, let's at least get the name (w)right for marketing purposes alone.

~Bruno~


That really doesn't matter. If it gets any popularity at all it'll crush Ellet High School and a few long dead guys. I would think most pronounceable 5 letter combinations would have a lot more competition than Ellet.
2083  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The BitcoinCard : Vienna, Austria Workshop on: June 06, 2012, 06:29:32 PM
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All we need to do is to try to live while using each others' services directly, without the participation of outside agents such as the dollar, and everything will be smooth sailing.

Right on.
2084  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] Weighted average price for a 1 MH/s bond is below 30 bitcents on: June 06, 2012, 05:55:17 PM
Interesting and a subject dear to my heart.  Probably the prices should be below 30 bitcents as we have moved away from the stable $5 prices.

All that matters is difficulty.

If BTC price goes up then the output of a mining stock is worth more, it cancels.
2085  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Empowering honest Bitcoin users on: June 06, 2012, 05:56:39 AM
"A Warning Against Using Taint"

I recognized that the taint was already there, kind of like that article about anonymity.  Since I felt that bitcoin thefts decrease its value, I wanted to make thefts less profitable for the thieves, so I proposed using the taint to accomplish this.  It seems that most people who replied are afraid that bitcoin users will make too many decisions based on taint.  I don't think they would (see the replies), but too many others do, so I'll stop defending the proposal.

Is there anything else I should do?

A good choice.

It just isn't right to take from some random user because some other user stole from another user. Nearly anyone would get behind something the could take back from the thief, but that's not on the table as a possibility.
2086  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Empowering honest Bitcoin users on: June 06, 2012, 12:35:46 AM
"How to piss off friends and customers."
2087  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Empowering honest Bitcoin users on: June 05, 2012, 10:47:05 PM
Let's use this thread to suggest titles for this thread.

"Confiscating bitcoins from innocent people. But what if there was a large bounty?"
2088  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Displaying coinbase transactions and their status in a UI on: June 05, 2012, 08:16:48 PM
I never heard an explanation of the 100/120 difference.
2089  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: GLBSE dividend payout address(es)? on: June 05, 2012, 04:32:26 PM
Because it would help with dividend reinvestment. If I understand correctly now I have to go and look for and add up security X dividends, then security A dividends and manually reinvest them.

It'd be easier to have a wallet for each, if you understand what I mean. Just reinvestment the amount that is available in the respective wallet.

Of course easiest would be if the whole process could be automated. And the cherry on top would be if partial share buys via dividend reinvestment would be possible.

It works in the "real world", don't see a reason why not with BTC.

Are fractional shares a real thing?

To do auto buys you would want to go to the order book no matter what? It's often pretty thin.
2090  Economy / Economics / Re: My 1 year Bitcoin birthday on: June 05, 2012, 04:22:48 PM
I thought I was about to turn 2, but I actually have another month to go!

It feels like it has been a decade and I can't imagine life without bitcoin anymore.
2091  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin advertising on the World Poker Tour! on: June 05, 2012, 04:16:00 PM
What are the top poker site using bitcoins, ? enlighten me please

SealsWithClubs.eu, StrikeSaphire.com and Switchpoker.com

2092  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2012-05-30 NORDIC EU BITCOIN BANKSTERS BLOCKADES on: June 05, 2012, 04:07:10 PM
Isn't accepting credit cards for bitcoin just asking to be charge backed to banktruptcy? I think they were just lucky they only got one charge back.

An interesting question. I figured as much until now, but what if you actually have proof of delivery which might well be the case? Will VISA just charge back anyway? How often can you chargeback until you're marked as fraudster and your account closed with VISA/Mastercard?


The person who's card you stole gets marked and you pull up the next card and go again.

It would be convenient if people could use Visa/MC to transition, but they kind of suck at committing to transfer value.
2093  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Empowering honest Bitcoin users on: June 05, 2012, 06:02:03 AM
A big problem with tracking 'taint' is that it quickly gets everywhere.  MtGox mixes most of the coins they receive into a few large value addresses, so once they've accepted tainted coins you're getting tainted coins pretty much every time you withdraw from them.

In other words, when you look at the previous addresses through which the coin(s) came to you, it would make sense for the blacklist to stop when it hits a MtGox address.  So getting your BC from MtGox or another another assumed-reputable - let's say "whitelisted" - address prevents the report from showing it as tainted.  It's a good argument for having a whitelist too.

The fact that coin passed through an MtGox account in the past gives MtGox some ability to earn any reward offered by victims, but I haven't found any reward offered by victims.  Has anyone?

If you found out that a chain of transactions that didn't include any MtGox (or other well-known) addresses preceded your receipt of bitcoin started with one of the addresses used in a heist and the victim of that heist was offering rewards, would you just ignore it, talk to your counterparty, or report it to get a reward?  Would the size of the reward matter?

What the hell are you talking about?

Why not just keep the whole thing and call it your reward if you are a thief?

To break it down one more time.

Person A steals and buys candy from Person B who buys sex toys from Person C who tips Stripper D who deposits the money with you (lucky girl). Now you notice that once upon a time someone reported a theft so you confiscate the girl's money and get your reward. (I bet you'll want to subscribe to the service that accepts all reports and offers fat rewards, eh!?)

Probably Stripper D, now learning about the various taint reporting sites, goes and reports the same coins to have been stolen by you. But it's not all bad maybe the coins will find their way back to you again and you can claim that reward too.
2094  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu - 60BTC guarantee tournament Sunday on: June 05, 2012, 05:48:45 AM
The donkdown show has different and uncertain hours during the WSOP. The tournament will be Tuesday (today!) this week and a 5BTC prize pool. No password, just make sure to register between now and 10:30pm ET.
2095  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Encrypted wallet.dat, lost password, any solutions? on: June 05, 2012, 03:22:42 AM
Oh, I keep imagining a plain encrypted file. If all the parts are in place and just the keys are encrypted then I think it makes sense to just pull one. Is the key pool encrypted? Is it easy to tell which are in the key pool? Pull one (for each cracker?) from the key pool and have a contest?
2096  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Encrypted wallet.dat, lost password, any solutions? on: June 05, 2012, 02:42:41 AM
Just out of curiosity is there any theoretical way to put another password on a file before handing it off to someone yet still have them able to know if they've found the original?

"Commutative encryption" does exist, but wallet encryption uses AES which is not.  And even if it did, I'm not sure there would be a way for the cracker to know when he's found the correct passphrase.

This may be a way to improve the encrypted wallet format.   Passphrase to key function ->  key.  Then have the client encrypt separately a "test string" and the wallet.

This would allow brute force recovery in a secure manner.  The person could just give only the encrypted test string (which given the right key should decrypt to a known value (something like "Bitcoin Wallet format v1.2") to recovery team.

It wouldn't simplify the attacker's job but it would allow forgotten/incorrect passwords to be recovered in a manner that doesn't require the owner to trust a third party.

+1

That's such a good idea I'm going to make it part of my new wallet format in Armory.  This kind of thing happens infrequently, but enough.

Although, Armory has the advantage that you usually have a paper backup which is unencrypted.  When you forget your passphrase, you only need to restore your wallet from the sheet of paper.

Nice idea Tangible.
2097  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: Encrypted wallet.dat, lost password, any solutions? on: June 05, 2012, 02:05:18 AM
Just out of curiosity is there any theoretical way to put another password on a file before handing it off to someone yet still have them able to know if they've found the original?
2098  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Empowering honest Bitcoin users on: June 05, 2012, 02:01:48 AM
A big problem with tracking 'taint' is that it quickly gets everywhere.  MtGox mixes most of the coins they receive into a few large value addresses, so once they've accepted tainted coins you're getting tainted coins pretty much every time you withdraw from them.

Oh dooglas, I've been meaning to tell you, your last deposit to Seals was rejected. About 6 steps back some mybitcoin coins got mixed in. So yeah.. please resend your deposit.

Since this is serious business I'm not going to assume anything. I'M TOTALLY KIDDING. WE'LL NEVER DO THAT.
2099  Economy / Goods / Re: NSFW ::::::: My wife and I are creating videos. on: June 05, 2012, 01:57:32 AM
also reddit.com/r/girlsgonebitcoin and reddit.com/r/decrypto
2100  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: New gambling site coming soon on: June 05, 2012, 01:34:23 AM
This is one that I have been wanting to make for a long time, it's simple, fun and good returns!

In order for gambling to have good return for players, the house will have to lose! Beside, I don't see how adding a gambling service add much to the bitcoin economy.

Not everyone has a linear utility/BTC curve. In many cases 0BTC and .5BTC are very similar in value to someone and you are doing them a big favor by letting them risk their small amount for a big one. Good odds doesn't have to mean positive nominal BTC expected value. It just means good odds relative to other offerings.
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