I cant understand this anonymous thing or the zero knowledge. If I sell you an Iphone, I have to send it somewhere right ? Hence, I know the buyer, but he doesnt know the seller.
Hi there, for info on ZERO can you please check my site BlackHalo.infp?! You will see there is a link to a pdf "How to explain Zero to your kids" and its a story of AliBaba and the 40 theives. Fantastic read. I promise after reading you will understand and LOVE zero knowledge proof. |
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How much coins will stay by the development team?
What is the timeline for all this fantastic features? Will you be able to deliver these things before Ethereum and NXT?
BitHalo and BlackHalo were proudly a year ahead of Etherium but nobody noticed it. I'm capable of doing so many more advance contracts but my project just never got the attention or funding because I was new to the scene and Vitalik was around for years. So the smart contracts are done. But there will be more types of contracts to come on top of that layer. I can add loops and I even know how to decentralize a fork. But im focusing on getting what I promised done first. |
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So both parties lose money if the contract is broken and the money are distributed trough the blockchain and trough the people who are staking , good idea right ?
Sadly this doesnt work. In a proof of stake system there would be a chance to collude for the block. So the funds are instead destroyed/burned by sending to Bitcoineater or 6a So if both parties agree to brake the contract, their funds will be destroyed again ? Yeah, please read my whitepaper at www.BlackHalo.info. And if you want to download that client, you can play with smart contracts to get a feel for it. Although thats not the user friendly version which I have been working on all month. Just dont brake the contract unless you hate money hahaha |
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Also you guys realize that 0 features are ready yet?
"BitBay Features (Currently in Development / Upcoming Releases)"
Not true man, BlackHalo and BitHalo have had smart contracts for almost a year and I'm the creator of it. So the smart contracts are done and not in beta they are released in BC. I'm just changing the GUI for BitHalo and thus and related projects. Furthermore, Bitmessage was integrated into Halo with Encrypted email so that is how the beta markets are based. So thats incredbily simple to release. More of the challenges for me is keeping it user friendly and deciding how much feature I want to publish in beta markets. So really the only thing challenging me this month is user friendliness and how much work I decide to put int whitelisting system for the beta (since its definitely a fun system and im experimenting with different ways of earning trust on the network) and how much I decide to change Bitmessage. I'm going to probably give the option to fall back on a server for a couple reasons... the first is to give a simple way into the whitelist by earning your way in (aka not posting crap) the next is to give me the option for a low maintenance kill switch in case it gets too rowdy. Also, I suppose the last is if Bitmessage gets clobbered with ddos attacks from asics. I'm implementing burn to prevent that but that still doesnt mean that a rich person couldnt do it so adjusting the level of burn is a work in progress. All of this is more just how I decide to release Beta markets which are actually Halo markets that already go into Bit/BlackHalo and Bay. So the short non-tech version of this is: Smart contracts of course, done. Makets, almost done and just testing user friendliness, UI and whitelist. Fork to checklocktimeverify and pegging, needs to be done still but there is already source to pull from and I know the bitcoin scripting system like a boss. Let me see what I can drum up in the ways of a sample "smart contract client" so you guys can at least give feedback on their UI that they made for this. Hope this answers your concern. By the way, everyone who reads this please note between Halo/NightTrader work and Bay work I'm totally swamped. My free time to be on forums will not be as much as I want. So maybe at the end of the month it will be less hectic. |
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So both parties lose money if the contract is broken and the money are distributed trough the blockchain and trough the people who are staking , good idea right ?
Sadly this doesnt work. In a proof of stake system there would be a chance to collude for the block. So the funds are instead destroyed/burned by sending to Bitcoineater or 6a |
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Why doesn't David Zimbeck implementing all these things into blackhalo?
He wants more btc than they are willing to pay.. I know the black halo dev was willing to sell the tech out from under bc coin for a while.. Cost was 30btc + a % of the coin it was to be implemented on. "He wants more btc than they are willing to pay.."  ? I should post that one in the Blackcoin subreddit so they can laugh at you. That "fee" however depends on when you would have asked the price fluctuated. And as somebody responded to you... that is really low considering the software was written from scratch. One thing, the tech was a gift to Bitcoin and Blackcoin... never had I wanted to "sell out". Why would I sell out such a great brand on the worlds best coin?! I would love you to show one post in a PM or on a forum where I ever gave an impression of that effect. Halo is my brand. Its still my brand and it will always be my brand. Blackcoin is my community, that is never going to change. BlackHalo is the worlds first smart contracting client. Licensing is not the same as selling out. Making other coins better is part of what I do. Blackcoin is the coin everybody loves but nobody buys. But they will. I'm still coding BlackHalos markets and NightTrader as we speak. And their new BlackHalo UI is fucking sexy it will be released in a week. I never even looked for money. Only my associate Sean did who does all my networking for me and he never approached coins. He met with investors like Brock Pierce or Dapps or others some investors approached me like Pantera. They are all just buzzing around us. I'm not going to kowtow to anyone. And thats why I'm not the type to ask investors for handouts. They want me, they know where to find me. |
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Yeah, this is a very important concern even for me. And I realize my reputation is on the line when I license my code. Even worse, like you said, I could get blamed because the public is pretty unsympathetic. So how about this post here verifies that and the Bitbay team I think can and should back me up on this to exonerate me from anything if we get left alone during the project cycle.
But lets make this clear to the planet. In Crypto currently, my job is to make software and to make double deposit escrow used worldwide. Not to make coins. My role in Blackcoin was to avoid making a new coin at all costs. But working alone is very difficult and although Blackcoin does come through a lot, its just so much faster if I stop walking away from people who want to pay devs. But as the year went by and I continuously turned down work it got really exhausting and now that I'm considering that my dev cycle would have been faster if I opened up a bit to entertain the investing parties. Its no mystery that I'm tired of coding alone.
They made a deposit so, thats a good start. If they had not made one I would not be talking right now.
You should put this team on a smart contract. (-; And yeah man totally understand, think last time I talked to you, you were buried in 700k lines worth of code, working utterly alone. Personally, if the entire ico was to be held by you, I would feel more confident then with a newbie of 16 posts, unable to verify who they are until the completion of the ico. If its your reputation, should be your bank as well. In the few conversations I've had with you, I'd trust ya with public money, including my own. Not really sure how this ico is setup, a phantom, thoroughly engrained in china.. really isn't good enough for me personally. And lol.. you should make new coins!! just start shill accounts like everyone else does.. haha I believe tho, your honest posts here should enough to keep the wolves at bay. woops... no pun intended haha Well they did make a deposit. So thats a good start. |
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puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true. I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions. Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.
I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?
Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map. Thanks David, you are the only reason I stay here and keep asking questions. no more. And I have very reliable leads to question this team. This is not only concern of bitbay/bter/tile/blk, but more. many ppl will involved sooner or later. I am not only in tile, but in many coins, including blk. but most of my recent holdings and once before are scams. I can dump them anytime. But i am serious investor anyway, and most survivals in current altcoin world are. My questions are their questions. These guys can revive the market if they still believe in something. if they are pissed off, every coin will turn to a mess. If the team especially the Chinese member can prove his ability in Mainland China in one way or another, I would love to stop questioning or fudding, whatever they call it. Well coins are not all scams per se. This was one of my biggest mistakes I made trading. I thought because I was invested and Blackcoin was not a scam, that it would reflect in the price. It will, soon. I'm sure of it. Blackcoin will be top 10 again. And if Bay actually works hard they will also be one of the top. Blackcoin is the best coin in the world hands down. But look at what the manipulation did to it. We need to move away from a market of laziness to one of utility. I'm also a fan of Peercoin and Nubits. I guess there is no reason not to like Bitcoin but they could crash because of the technology limitations. Its a "crash or fork" type deal with Bitcoin. So really these markets reflect penny stocks. The only reason Bitcoin is doing well is because the news media has allowed it to be known. I suspect Bitcoin was actually created by the US. Govt. But I only have circumstantial evidence to that. When they asked me about features, I recommended they pegged their price to the RMB. So since they could certainly get the connections if they wanted, in my opinion, it would be a bad idea for them to not fulfill their end of the bargain. Pegging to RMB or dollar can give this coin a billion dollar market cap and I will encourage them to take the necessary steps to do so. It would in turn, be great for BC because we would fix our volatility by having a stable hedge. |
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This is a good question actually! The best one yet. So here is the thing. They arent just getting Halo, they will be getting my services throughout the coins life span. This doesn't detract from Blackcoin stuff since for now, most of the work is similar in nature. They explained in depth to me that they are in it for the long run. They were excited a few of them it was their first time starting their own coin and decided they wanted the best features. Now, what makes the fact that they licensed a good thing (at least from my point of view) is that they are actually treating this like a business. Halo is actually open source for review and building purposes. I just change the variable names. It will go open source eventually and so they will next in line behind rat4 from Blackcoin to get that source. My timeline for open source is basically after things settle down and my client has everything automated and the people using it couldnt be happier. I'm David, the maker of Halo and if you download BitHalo/BlackHalo you will see that it very much exists. If you email me personally I can even show you how to make a contract. Hows that sound? As for the markets, please check out Blackcoins subreddit, the markets are almost done. If you notice in Halo, Bitmessage had been integrated since May 29th of last year. My main delay was just planning and marketing since I was working alone at the time. The markets use a system of whitelists/burn and a remanufactured Bitmessage to fully decentralize the internet. But in a good way. These white listed markets can allow for a trust building system amongst nodes and is what I believe to be, the future of the internet. Bitmessage needed to be recoded and 4.4 release fixed a bug I was complaining about for almost 4 months. I'm very happy that Atheros was able to go back to coding and fixed it. However, burn will not be attached to the first release since I would have to change the rules for our peers by adding it to the payload and tying it to the Blackcoin and Bay networks. Also, I'm having a kill switch in the first Beta market to give people some time to play with it and report bugs during its beta(while i code in burn). So this way, i can have frequent releases and still monitor the markets. The screenshots for the new BitHalo markets are on reddit. There is lots of questions about how much I want to automate in the first version. Baycoin helping out, actually helps me from getting stuck with "scope creep" as they will be interested in funding a dev team which is why I got excited and took the deal. You guys should skip the 3000btc ipo on an exchange.. and do it on your own marketplace? Why would you use an exchange if you already have a marketplace?
Little bit confused here. Wouldn't this be the best way to enter into smart contracts?
I've never used Bter before. Would prefer to invest through your client.
Let me know if this will be an option.
Thanks!
Sorry read the rest of the op. There is no wallet or smart contracts yet. Or marketplace. This coin hasn't even launched yet? So in order to release a wallet. You're asking for 1.5 million dollars? What does it mean when you say. You are licensing bithalo? I thought it was to be open source? Please explain what you mean my licensing, and provide links to where the proposed public funding would be spent. I'm only here because I'm interested, but just some head scratching going on here, as it seems you're advertising a nonexistent product. Perhaps I've read something wrong or missed some links. Thanks for a response. Thanks for the reply David. On a personal note I am among many others admirers of your work. I don't know, nor do I think anyone knows who the Bitbay guys are. Many ICOs have gone horrible wrong and no offense to BTER, but there have been multiple times, massive amounts of money have gone missing there. Unfortunately, it is soley your reputation on the line, as the majority, if not all the rest of the people involved here are unknown. But I of course will respect your judgement in your choice of team. It would be nice if they decided to share the responsibility of not only success but also failure if unable to complete their end of the deal (as i could not see your end of the deal not holding up) The last thing I would want to see is you run out of crypto as a scapegoat for lost public money and phantom developers vanishing into the void. In saying that, I do wish the Bitbay team the best, but think it would be fair to also share personal information as your lead dev has. The only credibility here is you, David Zimbeck; I don't see anything else. (if this isn't the case please provide the missed reference) Good luck guys. Ill be watching, and I'll invest into a smart contract project, through a smart contract; If that option arises. Yeah, this is a very important concern even for me. And I realize my reputation is on the line when I license my code. Even worse, like you said, I could get blamed because the public is pretty unsympathetic. So how about this post here verifies that and the Bitbay team I think can and should back me up on this to exonerate me from anything if we get left alone during the project cycle. But lets make this clear to the planet. In Crypto currently, my job is to make software and to make double deposit escrow used worldwide. Not to make coins. My role in Blackcoin was to avoid making a new coin at all costs. But working alone is very difficult and although Blackcoin does come through a lot, its just so much faster if I stop walking away from people who want to pay devs. But as the year went by and I continuously turned down work it got really exhausting and now that I'm considering that my dev cycle would have been faster if I opened up a bit to entertain the investing parties. Its no mystery that I'm tired of coding alone. They made a deposit so, thats a good start. If they had not made one I would not be talking right now. |
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puffing resources about alibaba and major Chinese exchanges from this Coin organizer is biggest mistake from beginning. All the fancy promises makes it too good to be true. I am not actually fudding now. I am asking questions. Please prove it first. I am not questioning David Zimbeck, who grants bithalo license to this team. I am questioning the team behind. specifically the Chinese man behind.
If he do not intend to reveal more details about himself. Please prove his ability in one way or another. The ability I mean his resources from alibaba or other companies in China.
I noticed some Chinese bitcoin/altcoin media reports, but i didn't find anything about above mentioned info, which makes it very fishy. Why don't they mention all these advantages on Chinese media? cuz questioning from Chinese investors?
Youve got a valid point here. There is a good amount of uncertainty. I'm the type to respect the privacy of my associates. From the discussions we had, their actions and the fact that I will be meeting one of the team members personally in a few weeks quells my superstitions. But hey, you never know where this coin is gonna go. Thats why just take a "wait and see" attitude. By the way, from the discussions I had with these guys, they are not really at all like Tilecoin. Mostly, we talked about mesh networks and seeing if we could get some manufacturers here in Asia to make routers, radio devices or special tethering phones with software on it to create a giant mesh network. If we can really do that, this coin will actually be worth more than money because mesh networks is about freedom. The idea of a mesh network and having no IP addresses is pretty much the liberation of the entire internet and Telcom industry. Not saying we will get that far but if they do well its in the road map. |
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I'm not from China, a quick google search will tell you all about who I am. I'm a very respected dev from the crypto community. You can check BlackHalo and Blackcoins subreddit to which I have been posting for a year. I'm from the states and am now living in Asia to put together a dev team. Perhaps you were thinking of somebody else. Just like some of the people are saying, just keep calm. There is a lot of people who don't like ICO some do. I'm personally not a big fan of ICO but I'm happy to work with this particular team. When you really think about it, Etherium got 40 million and they had no software and were a premine. And they only premined a small percent and their disclaimer said that there was no guarantee it would ever get made. SERIOUS concern!
If the man contracted David Zimbeck IS FROM CHINA, who spent years in Alibaba. I WOULD LOVE to verify his experience and resources in China, cuz I have been working alibaba for ages. You will ICO on bter, and we Chinese Investors have right to ask for POD, otherwise we will ask BTER boss to check this issue again. Maybe he is not aware of what is going on under his management and his employee is not capable of verifying legitimacy of a coming ICO.
Why don't you verify yourself and post your ID badge and details first. I am not raising 3000 btc! will you ask your customer to shit first before you sell him toilet paper? |
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This is a good question actually! The best one yet. So here is the thing. They arent just getting Halo, they will be getting my services throughout the coins life span. This doesn't detract from Blackcoin stuff since for now, most of the work is similar in nature. They explained in depth to me that they are in it for the long run. They were excited a few of them it was their first time starting their own coin and decided they wanted the best features. Now, what makes the fact that they licensed a good thing (at least from my point of view) is that they are actually treating this like a business. Halo is actually open source for review and building purposes. I just change the variable names. It will go open source eventually and so they will next in line behind rat4 from Blackcoin to get that source. My timeline for open source is basically after things settle down and my client has everything automated and the people using it couldnt be happier. I'm David, the maker of Halo and if you download BitHalo/BlackHalo you will see that it very much exists. If you email me personally I can even show you how to make a contract. Hows that sound? As for the markets, please check out Blackcoins subreddit, the markets are almost done. If you notice in Halo, Bitmessage had been integrated since May 29th of last year. My main delay was just planning and marketing since I was working alone at the time. The markets use a system of whitelists/burn and a remanufactured Bitmessage to fully decentralize the internet. But in a good way. These white listed markets can allow for a trust building system amongst nodes and is what I believe to be, the future of the internet. Bitmessage needed to be recoded and 4.4 release fixed a bug I was complaining about for almost 4 months. I'm very happy that Atheros was able to go back to coding and fixed it. However, burn will not be attached to the first release since I would have to change the rules for our peers by adding it to the payload and tying it to the Blackcoin and Bay networks. Also, I'm having a kill switch in the first Beta market to give people some time to play with it and report bugs during its beta(while i code in burn). So this way, i can have frequent releases and still monitor the markets. The screenshots for the new BitHalo markets are on reddit. There is lots of questions about how much I want to automate in the first version. Baycoin helping out, actually helps me from getting stuck with "scope creep" as they will be interested in funding a dev team which is why I got excited and took the deal. You guys should skip the 3000btc ipo on an exchange.. and do it on your own marketplace? Why would you use an exchange if you already have a marketplace?
Little bit confused here. Wouldn't this be the best way to enter into smart contracts?
I've never used Bter before. Would prefer to invest through your client.
Let me know if this will be an option.
Thanks!
Sorry read the rest of the op. There is no wallet or smart contracts yet. Or marketplace. This coin hasn't even launched yet? So in order to release a wallet. You're asking for 1.5 million dollars? What does it mean when you say. You are licensing bithalo? I thought it was to be open source? Please explain what you mean my licensing, and provide links to where the proposed public funding would be spent. I'm only here because I'm interested, but just some head scratching going on here, as it seems you're advertising a nonexistent product. Perhaps I've read something wrong or missed some links. Thanks for a response. |
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This simply is not true. Josh was taken by surprise, he lives down the street from me. This was before we had talked... here is what he said on reddit. http://www.reddit.com/r/blackcoin/comments/2lllit/my_personal_statement_regarding_todays_events/Me and Josh are good friends read his post above and you will retract your statement. As much as I dont like speaking on the behalf of others. Also, if I coded Halo from scratch dont you think I know how coins work?! Of course I can code anything. I can code a coin from scratch, thats why these guys hired me to manage the project. I'm currently working 12 hours a day 7 days a week. No time to do everything. Rat4 is a great man, he helped code some API calls a few days for cold staking and got really upset because he thought I was leaving Blackcoin which is just not true. I'm not putting cold staking into Bay of at least not for a very long time. Bay is just a different coin. They will be fixed to the price of RMB. But of course I'm not leaving Blackcoin, Rat4 knows that now in fact, Josh was the one to explain it to him. I'm Blackcoin for life! This is just a project that will be mutually beneficial to everyone and cryptospace in general. You can't run a business without doing business with others. Hoarding technology was never my intention. In fact, the original intention was open source but that would have been too premature. So lets make all this clear. You are free to PM me anything you want. |
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Not at all, the markets are decentralized but can implement filters using whitelists, burn and moderation keys. The clients can filter anything. Its absolutely possible to have a white market in a decentralized space. On of our guys made a diagram for BlackHalo/NT and I believe BitBay is also doing one. @DEV
Thank you guys bring this fantastic tech to community, I have a question, how can you implement reverse-transaction, like I buy a goods but when I receive it I found it's bad, so how can you deal with this scenario, can you explain it in tech perspective?
Because its double deposit the contracts are unbreakable. Please read my whitepaper at BitHalo.org. By both parties making an advanced deposit they have to work together. Escrow extensions are allowed but if they dont play nice the money is destroyed. Thanks Dave. I'm sure you'll have more of these questions tomorrow during the AMA. It's the learning curve. We understand. Thanks again. Thanks very much, what about the legal issues, as you know if some guys trade drugs, guns etc using BitBay, there will be government intervention, it will harm the whole crypto currency world, I suppose you have considered this thing in your design, can you share some information to the community? |
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To answer why I was contracted by a someone from China is pretty simple. First of all I have been in this space for a very long time and happen to know a lot of people. So I get approached all the time. It also happens that I'm living now in SouthEast Asia so it made sense for me to meet with them since its a much shorter flight. I'm in Cambodia now, and can easily swing to India and China if needed. Also, I already have two devs and get two more in a week. Their goal is to start taking part in the technical space, not just chase a quick buck. where is my post?
Posts of no relevance will be deleted. BitBay is not a Blackcoin copy. We are working at having the first widely used decentralized marketplace with smart contracts where the need to trust in a third party will be cease to exist. Get ready for the revolution and please stop spamming our thread. Thank you. thanks for reply and deleting my posts. again. please tell us who is that Chinese guy? why do you need a Chinese guy to contact blackcoin? did he plan the whole scheme? You are mistaken. No one contacted Blackcoin. We contacted Mr David Zimbeck. Can we agree that one is not the other? We do have some Chinese individuals involved. Some that spent years at Alibaba and they will help to bring BitBay to a wider range of users. Why a Chinese guy contacted David Zimbeck? may I know the man who spent years in Alibaba? I think it was him contacted David and promised btc and later improvement for BLK! Let we Chinese verify his experience and resources. We are serous investors, and we are capable of verifying all the matter in Alibaba. we also have friends in Alibaba, Jingdong, etc. |
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Hey buddy, I know on the surface how this may look but they will get the technology they asked for because they are contracting with Halo on it. So this just helps both parties. It was a mutually beneficial business deal. Lets say you are correct and the price drops, but you see they are still getting my tech and markets and they STILL fork to a hedging coin. Simply because they have are willing to take care of a dev team. During our negotiations they did in fact show me with their ACTIONS that they are more than capable of doing so. The old pump and dump scheme is over. Things are changing in cryptospace. Maybe you should just take a "wait and see approach". By them running a dev team, its absolutely amazingly beneficial to Blackcoin. Because now, it will be so much easier for me to get tasks completed... especially if there is staff on hand to help. So, regardless of what you think the background is of people who licensed from me is, they are in fact willing to branch out from the current phony coin launches. That in my eyes is mutually beneficial to Blackcoin and any smart contracting related tech. As the owner of Halo, these are the types of deals that are of the highest value. Just a quick update for everyone. We have decided to reward our earlier investors buy giving them a discount depending on when they buy their coins.
The formula will unfold as follows.
Each coin will be priced at:
252-264 satoshi -Day 1
264-276 satoshi -Day 2
276-288 satoshi -Day 3
288-300 satoshi -Day 4
300 satoshi -Day 5
Price will go up 1 satoshi every 2 hours on the hour.
Any unsold coins will be burned by BTER.
We hope you enjoy this opportunity and make the most of it.
Thank you.
Can I sell on Day 5? what a sarcasm. |
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@DEV
Thank you guys bring this fantastic tech to community, I have a question, how can you implement reverse-transaction, like I buy a goods but when I receive it I found it's bad, so how can you deal with this scenario, can you explain it in tech perspective?
Because its double deposit the contracts are unbreakable. Please read my whitepaper at BitHalo.org. By both parties making an advanced deposit they have to work together. Escrow extensions are allowed but if they dont play nice the money is destroyed. |
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Yeah everyone, you can talk to me on AMA tomorrow and hopefully I can set any concerns to rest. This is a group effort. They have been incredibly supportive of devs and the tech so far. We are dead serious in making this world better. They do share my vision of having smart contracts being used all over the world. So they see Halo and they see smart contracts and they know that very soon, smart contracts will be used on a daily basis. That is certainly my dream. Its been a year since smart contracts were launched. Its about time people take an interest in them. Thats exactly what this team wants.
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For the forum members I can confirm my involvement on this project. There is a team of about 5 guys with some very common goals. As stated in the OP.
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Blockchain.info listunspent is a very worthless api call. If they don't tell you the correct index then you can't spend the output or you could spend the wrong coins!! It can actually cause someone to lose money.
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