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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 10:16:02 AM

Quote from: interstellar on December 13, 2014, 10:04:40 AM Fellow investors, I'm off to bed. Please make sure David follows through with his promise to disclose the bay addresses and screenshot of bitcoin received and spent in this venture. This is what we really need to be focused in on and not all that other distracting stuff like the logs or the personal attacks between conspirators. This should be the one and only question on everyone's mind now. Time to follow the money. Im going to do that for you. Realize Bitcoins spent (aside from what Bob and Gekko stole)... does that include what they extorted? Because they always tried to shake down Steven for money. Steven handled all the finances. I'm not sure what he will give me on their end. I can promise you to show my end of it. 20 BTC was taken from me for the initial dev work by Steven. He still has that. (20 BTC was taken from everyone but Gekko and Bob got a hold of half of that chunk) I was even disclosing addresses before this debacle started.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 10:08:59 AM

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 09:41:03 AM

If you want those addresses made public, thats fine, but the question is where you want that posted. Otherwise im going to be babysitting bitcointalk which is an enormous waste of time. Better i put something in r/Bitbay

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 09:38:03 AM

Quote from: interstellar on December 13, 2014, 09:23:00 AM Quote from: dzimbeck on December 13, 2014, 09:19:33 AM Quote from: digicidal on December 13, 2014, 09:05:41 AM Quote from: dzimbeck on December 13, 2014, 08:40:26 AM if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse. OK... that's just making it worse then. If you were so anti-pump... then basically you're saying you knew the investors were going to get the shaft and not even get an initial boost of value (artificial or otherwise). Sorry man, I know you got played - but you got played while thinking it would be OK to play others the same way around - and you leveraged BC in the process - which is like kicking a horse that's already been turned into glue after being skinned alive. You had the chance to walk (in early logs that you posted)... but you didn't. You can't call that "protecting the investors" because we knew the risks when we bought in to a non-transparent ICO (and incidentally why I only lost handful of BTC on and it's not like I bought BTC ever). On the other hand, some people have actually dumped their life savings into this crap... so for them it's not a high-risk gamble/game of chicken... it's deadly serious. Who you were protecting was Bob, Gekko, Lin, Steven, and most importantly yourself. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. As a bit of advice however, I probably wouldn't keep posting logs - despite what I posted in the new thread, which got deleted immediately. I guess a few BTCs and a lot of blind faith in you and "the team" still aren't worth even addressing any concerns from the people you took them from? I do (though less every day I'm afraid) believe in the idea that decentralized currencies and markets offer. However, I can't see backing anything you're involved in again - even if the only 'crime' you were guilty of was being stupid (which it wasn't). Sorry about that. notice how i said each day got progressively worse? And trust me, there is no reason for me to post more on it. You dont want this to turn into 4chan lol. I was protecting literally everyone. Mostly, i was unsure about how exactly to protect investors other than PEGGING the coin. Which i still intend to do. The real question is, how to pick up those broken pieces, its a big distraction indeed from my coding. Stop with the bull and give some real answers: How much bay do you have? Post the actual addresses so we can see if you sold any off? How much BTC did you get from this in total? Screenshots of transactions for proof please. You realize everything you keep from this venture is basically theft from the investors right? Your questions were answered many times, go read all of the logs, i talked to a journalist already too. People knew during the ICO what i had because Bobs team came to me explaining he lied to them and didnt pay them. I showed them the rest of my Bay addresses. I'm happy to prove this moving forward. What i would like to ask from you is a little bit of patience. I'm trying to pick up the pieces and its still my goal to peg the coin and protect investors. Its not an overnight process. I was preparing an official statement. ... AND if you look on the main thread you will see it was posted clearly chat log describing what everyone got. (This was learned after the ICO had finished and at that point I had no clue how to handle it)

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 09:31:27 AM

Quote from: interstellar on December 13, 2014, 09:14:36 AM Quote from: dzimbeck on December 13, 2014, 08:40:26 AM if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse. Hey want some sympathy? Answer this: How much bay do you have? Post the actual addresses so we can see if you sold any off? How much BTC did you get from this in total? Screenshots of transactions for proof please. Why is it you were okay with everyone getting 500-600BTC but only a small amount of that (a few hundred or whatever), going to actual development? No one should have been pocketing money for their own personal use. But you were fine with carving it up like a thanksgiving turkey. All of that is clear from the logs. This money was pegged for the development of BitBay, not whores, coke, weed, booze, cigarettes, penthouses in the sky, debt repayment, loan to mommy, BitHalo developers or whatever else you guys decided to use it for. YOU WERE COMPLICIT IN EVERYTHING. If the robbery goes bad and someone gets murdered, guess what, the driver in the car is going down for murder too. The bay question has been stated many times, ive got 10%. Ive already shown that it has not been sold. There was no way in hell i was going to sell it. If anything it only made sense to pay bounties. But paying bounties in Bay was a slippery slope considering people might just sell it which is why i didnt consider it. I wasnt comfortable with it. If you at the time of the chats you can see that i questioned them many times about that. They kept saying whatever they could to get me in the door. And ive got lots more proof of me asking for devs on a daily basis. What Gekko did do good was coordinate their contacts. We were in communication quite a bit and he was very responsive. There was actually some work being done on his end. However, my requests for devs and project managers were ignored and i was told "only marketing matters" and other things later that seriously rang some alarms. This was all after the fact. The ico had already started and i had to work with what i was given. And as for complicity, the get away driver doesnt get in trouble when the robbers lie to get into his car and they all hold guns. But, instead i utilized my own contacts to try and get those things. But it left me absolutely no free time at all. There wasnt a minute i was able to sit down and have free time. Not a single minute. In fact, it interfered with my eating and sleep.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 09:19:33 AM

Quote from: digicidal on December 13, 2014, 09:05:41 AM Quote from: dzimbeck on December 13, 2014, 08:40:26 AM if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse. OK... that's just making it worse then. If you were so anti-pump... then basically you're saying you knew the investors were going to get the shaft and not even get an initial boost of value (artificial or otherwise). Sorry man, I know you got played - but you got played while thinking it would be OK to play others the same way around - and you leveraged BC in the process - which is like kicking a horse that's already been turned into glue after being skinned alive. You had the chance to walk (in early logs that you posted)... but you didn't. You can't call that "protecting the investors" because we knew the risks when we bought in to a non-transparent ICO (and incidentally why I only lost handful of BTC on and it's not like I bought BTC ever). On the other hand, some people have actually dumped their life savings into this crap... so for them it's not a high-risk gamble/game of chicken... it's deadly serious. Who you were protecting was Bob, Gekko, Lin, Steven, and most importantly yourself. Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess. As a bit of advice however, I probably wouldn't keep posting logs - despite what I posted in the new thread, which got deleted immediately. I guess a few BTCs and a lot of blind faith in you and "the team" still aren't worth even addressing any concerns from the people you took them from? I do (though less every day I'm afraid) believe in the idea that decentralized currencies and markets offer. However, I can't see backing anything you're involved in again - even if the only 'crime' you were guilty of was being stupid (which it wasn't). Sorry about that. notice how i said each day got progressively worse? And trust me, there is no reason for me to post more on it. You dont want this to turn into 4chan lol. I was protecting literally everyone. Mostly, i was unsure about how exactly to protect investors other than PEGGING the coin. Going to elaborate here. Many logs already show my interest in protecting investors before the coin started. I asked as many questions i could. I should have used Halo hahahhaa if anything its proof my software should be used even in my own negotiations. Which i still intend to do. The real question is, how to pick up those broken pieces, its a big distraction indeed from my coding.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 09:09:18 AM

Quote from: GlooBoy on December 13, 2014, 04:54:56 AM I got flu sick 2 days ago and came back to catch up. Only took 10 hours of reading. Its been said before but.. DAMN... So glad that "libeay32.dll" didn't turn out to be a big fiasco. </sarcasm> Watching and waiting. and still believing in David - he's the reason most of us probably invested. And belief in a free marketplace. Oh, and can someone please re-fill the popcorn cart.. By the way, thats a Bitmessage issue. It had nothing to do with Halo at all. EDIT: More specifically its an openssl thing. I think its overkill to make people download openssl in the installer and im understaffed so that is not a high priority issue since it effects less than 1% of the systems.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 09:07:59 AM

Quote from: elenorrigby on December 13, 2014, 03:54:30 AM Quote from: powersup on December 13, 2014, 01:12:48 AM Quote from: dzimbeck on December 13, 2014, 01:08:21 AM Quote from: cryptohunter on December 13, 2014, 01:02:36 AM had a few days away... back to check on my new fav coin... bitbay another great investment i made in the last weeks along with blocknet and scooping up some cheap xc which just went south even more. to recap... so bter is run by a scammer? dz - is ok with it being a semi pump and dump scam? so long as he is not accountable being just the coder... whilst taking some nice profits mostly built upon the strength of him being public and coding halo? although would like to see some development take place eventually if possible. the other people in the team are just outright thieves? put an order in at 1 sat, need to cost average down a little i guess. Not at all, i wasnt really sure what my options were once the project had already started. So, i had no choice but to advance. But when they started to not pay for a team and they sat on their asses with the funds, then yeah of course. So do you think they tried to find me devs? I think not. ok, so the BTC from Bob and Gekko is gone, that much is clear. But there is still the BTC held by you, Steven, and Lin. That is at least 2000 BTC and still more then enough to find and pay more devs. And there you have the real truth. That these chinese mobsters and David are sitting on a shit ton of free coins but david claims he has been innocently asking for dev money for weeks. Now, what doesn't make sense about that situation, and his claims? and what makes you think any of these selfish pigs is going to uses any money going forward on this, if they have not so far? uhhh because i can prove them? lol... do you really want to turn bitcointalk into 4chan? talking in bitcoin talk is like bathing in the sewers now. Annnnnd... i never sold my Bitbay(that has already been shown). There was no way i was going to fund it with the bitbay and there is no way on earth im going to do that now.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 09:02:39 AM

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: THOSE BAY FAQs...

on: December 13, 2014, 08:54:28 AM

Quote from: sdersdf3 on December 13, 2014, 08:30:02 AM Quote from: djm34 on December 12, 2014, 11:15:04 PM Quote from: dzimbeck on December 12, 2014, 10:46:39 PM [11/3/2014 6:29:40 PM] David Zimbeck: i just wanted to make sure my name is not used for profit so... you thought they gave 100btc for what exactly ? Only 100BTC? Zimbeck, I hope you think the loss of your reputation was worth more than 100BTC. That's just $33k at current - falling - prices. Oh my reputation is 100% intact. I got my inbox flooded with supportive emails. Regardless, you are right it was worth a lot more than that there is absolutely no price on it.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 08:52:24 AM

Also diabolic makes up this retarded lie quote ("Pay me first and I'll do whatever it takes to make more money") never once did i say anything at all like that ever. nice try.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 08:48:02 AM

Oh and looks like Diabolic is Gekko. Hi Gekko. N00B account only came on Bitcointalk to discuss this. lol yeah and Gekko was even worse than Bob in so many mays. There is already more than enough proof of that. I doubt you guys need me to state the obvious even further. So Gekko, if you want to really clear your name then come out into the light and try(that might be cryptos funniest joke of all time). Give out your full name, start being open about your involvement. Without the risk of turning bitcointalk into 4chan

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 13, 2014, 08:40:26 AM

if you had read the logs, you will notice there was more than one long conversation where they assure me that it was not going to be a pump. Ive got at least 10 more just like the one you saw. I was talking to Steven for weeks before that. So dont tell me about the narrative. I asked many, many times about wether or not they were going to do this. If you mean by early one then yeah i started noticing once the ICO had already started. But each day got progressively worse.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 02:25:21 AM

I dont see why not, we can do whatever we can with what weve got.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 02:08:08 AM

Everyone, I will put an official statement on reddit discussing what makes sense to do from here. To discuss here further is to waste time and beat the issue to death. Thanks for listening. My statement will conclude briefly, discuss about future etc.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 01:08:21 AM

Quote from: cryptohunter on December 13, 2014, 01:02:36 AM had a few days away... back to check on my new fav coin... bitbay another great investment i made in the last weeks along with blocknet and scooping up some cheap xc which just went south even more. to recap... so bter is run by a scammer? dz - is ok with it being a semi pump and dump scam? so long as he is not accountable being just the coder... whilst taking some nice profits mostly built upon the strength of him being public and coding halo? although would like to see some development take place eventually if possible. the other people in the team are just outright thieves? put an order in at 1 sat, need to cost average down a little i guess. Not at all, i wasnt really sure what my options were once the project had already started. So, i had no choice but to advance. But when they started to not pay for a team and they sat on their asses with the funds, then yeah of course. So do you think they tried to find me devs? I think not.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 01:05:26 AM

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 13, 2014, 12:05:11 AM

Also Bob is equally making his friend Gekko look bad. The only reason i defended this project was because there as absolutely no way to proceed otherwise. All of these peoples reputations were at risk. Bob threatens BTER to release chat logs. Its like social suicide.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open

on: December 12, 2014, 11:07:43 PM

Quote from: powersup on December 12, 2014, 10:45:41 PM Quote from: BitBay Team on December 12, 2014, 09:50:12 PM Here are a few more chats for you guys to look over... I'll release more and more over the coming days and weeks and I'll save the best for last!! lol, happy for you to waste your time here and post your logs. But the community has seen all they need and we are well aware of the who played what role in this. Maybe you think your innocent in this and are the liberator of information. The reality is you are digging the hole much deeper for yourself and once the logs are public there is no going back. He is cherry picking the logs thats why it takes him so long to get them. Just like his paid FUD team. Meanwhile he STILL has 691 BTC of ICO money.

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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: BitBay | Decentralized Marketplace | Unmoderated Thread

on: December 12, 2014, 10:54:18 PM

Then Gekko slams my name all over it, his buddy Rob comes in and starts throwing my name around haphazardly and i didnt know shit until the ICO was even going on. And the people I was protecting was literally everyone, not only myself but investors, Steven etc. The reason I protected Steven was because he was the only one honoring his word and paying for things. Gekko and Bob only knew how to ask for money and extort from others. The exact reason for this is because they paid a FUD team to say exactly what is being said here.

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