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1401  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 27, 2015, 12:43:30 PM
"You will be able to exchange Bay directly to US$ in the client and on exchanges"

So that will be done through wire transfer, etc. Exactly who is the intended audience for this coin?

When you say exchange USD for BAY at exchanges, do you mean like I can exchange BTC for BAY today or something else?

Any method you can use to send cash is supported. The audience is everyone who wants to buy crypto especially countries without access to coinbase
and especially people who do not trust centralized companies. These Halo contracts cant be broken so the risk with coinbase is that they take your wire
or take your bitcoins. Remember mt gox? They took .5 billion dollars. If they used double deposit with their wire transfers that would not have happened.

You can exchange BTC for BAY using microtrading. I'm finishing up coding Blackcoins NightTrader exchange which goes into BlackHalo and other Halo clients.
This exchange uses smart contracts to exchange between any two coins without an exchange.

In theory you can already do that in Bay but NightTrader is meant to make it user friendly.
1402  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 26, 2015, 06:24:39 PM
I guess here's my disconnect. I can buy BTC with USD at coinbase. I have a verified checking account that I move USD into when I need BTC. I go to coinbase and press a couple of buttons and I can ask for $38 worth of BTC and mash the button and it says OK. [ Insert 30-60 minute wait for confirmations ]You now have $38 worth of BTC. That's it. When you tell me I can exchange USD for BAY, I expect to be hooked up with a buy/sell button to exchange $38 for BAY. Press the button, it says OK and the BAY are in my wallet. If the exchange of $$ > BAY is more difficult than $$ > BTC, then what am I gaining by using BAY? I'll stick with BTC because it's easier.

I think of it like this. I can teach my 10 year grandkid to buy BTC in my coinbase account in less than an hour. You have said that I will be able to exchange USD for BAY in the client. When will there be a secure, reliable exchange mechanism I can teach to my grandkid in under an hour? Otherwise, what's the point here?


I think that u are talking about 2 different things here. Coinbase is a dedicated web for to sell and buy BTC but what u get with Bitbay is a complete and decentralize marketplace... u can not automatize that... and it will be not so easy to learn for ur grandkid Wink

pd: sorry for my english
Your english is pretty good Smiley

Yes you can automate a lot of it. For example, you can run an automation script to wire money from certain banks by logging in online the same way a webserver does it, you can automate payments via western union with someone who has an online account. I think in theory there is nothing you can do with a website that you cant do p2p.

For now the only part that will be manual is actually sending the wire or sending the cash. The rest (forms, funding details, exchange rate) will be automated right out the gate.
1403  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 26, 2015, 06:15:51 PM
I guess here's my disconnect. I can buy BTC with USD at coinbase. I have a verified checking account that I move USD into when I need BTC. I go to coinbase and press a couple of buttons and I can ask for $38 worth of BTC and mash the button and it says OK. [ Insert 30-60 minute wait for confirmations ]You now have $38 worth of BTC. That's it. When you tell me I can exchange USD for BAY, I expect to be hooked up with a buy/sell button to exchange $38 for BAY. Press the button, it says OK and the BAY are in my wallet. If the exchange of $$ > BAY is more difficult than $$ > BTC, then what am I gaining by using BAY? I'll stick with BTC because it's easier.

I think of it like this. I can teach my 10 year grandkid to buy BTC in my coinbase account in less than an hour. You have said that I will be able to exchange USD for BAY in the client. When will there be a secure, reliable exchange mechanism I can teach to my grandkid in under an hour? Otherwise, what's the point here?


Are you fudding this or something? There IS a Buy/Sell button in BitBay and BitHalo. Once you enter the info in once, its saved and you only have to click the button once. It will then buy at market price for USD. If the market price fluctuates your order will too.

Everything is automatic, thats the point of a template. If you allow western union you might have to log in and send money (oh the agony!)

Also, are you a soccer mom, 15 year old, or a dude with grandkids? lol... your "grandkids" will probably be driving flying cars when they grow up.

Tell me if this is too complex for you... you click "Buy coins" enter how much,  and you are done. Is that too complex for you?

Furthermore, Coinbase is not avaiable anywhere but america... lol. Arent you forgetting 99% of the world that has no way to buy Bitcoin? They can do that here no matter what country. Halo just solved a huge, huge problem. Problem solved international cash decentralized anonymous peer to peer transactions.

Also if China bans BTC, guess what? People can still use Halo. Its anonymous because its peer to peer. Coinbase reports you as suspicious if you transact too much and you will get audited... have fun with Coinbase lol. And Coinbase has been known to revoke high frequency accounts for no reason. If China bans BTC, then can buy in Halo because its anonymous/peer to peer. Any funding method is available. I would like to see Coinbase take Western Union. Do they take western union? ohhh thats right they dont.



1404  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 26, 2015, 10:13:12 AM
OK. Check yourself Deezzy. Cryptsy will trade USD for altcoins, no problem. DeezCoinz dropped over Cyptsy ready to cop some coin. Made the official DeezCoinz account. Gave the wrong state. haha. they took it. I got my CC out and, WUT?, they want my drivers license or passport? I'm too young to drive and can't leave the country either. I CAN'T USE MY $$ without DOXXING myself.

Am I nutz here? Yes

So you are speaking riddles here, you are old enough to own a credit card but not old enough to drive? Doxing yourself to an exchange is not really a massive deal unless you are on the run or some s*&t.

I have a good memory and i remember you telling the thread how you drive your sons to soccer practice and how you buy their nikey boots from ebay so you have confused me to say the least. You created an account just to love Bitbay what is this about?

I mean, really,  nikey boots? I published my complete plan to introduce ZuttCoin to the world including the natty photo of my uncle holding one, and all you remember is nikey boots?. I'm obviously not working hard enough here...

Who said anything about drivers license and passport? The buying or selling of ANY coin not just BitBay can happen in the wallet. Its peer to peer cash. If you want, I will walk you through how to do it we can do a cash deal right now if you want. Basically, a person selling cash would not need a drivers license or photo id or anything like this. Thats up to the seller and i highly doubt they will care. Here is the various way cash can get done in the markets.

Most common:
Wire transfer - Buyer supplies checking account number and bank name, seller wires funds. Everyone releases deposits.
Western Union - Buyer gives name and country of cash pick up. Seller sends western union, gives confirmation number. Deposits released after cash is picked up.
MoneyGram - Exactly like western union
Cash in the mail(your mom doesnt need to know the address) - Buyer gives address. Seller sends cash in mail and insures it with carrier. Buyer gets it, deposits released.
Prepaid credit cards - Buyer gives prepaid credit card information. Seller refills card. Deposits released.

No as common, risky due to chargebacks(personally not recommend):
Credit card - Buyer allows for credit card funding, seller makes payment (with possible hold). Deposits released.
Paypal - Buyer gives paypal etc.

Anyone can be a cash seller, so it is clearly the sellers responsibility if they want to do large volume, they will have their own know your customer policies.
But many countries dont have those and most people wont care. Hope that explains it, its by far the most superior way to transfer cash.

ALSO...
You are NOT doxxing yourself at all!! The information you send will only be known by the seller. If you only want to reveal an address for cash in the mail then do that. If you want to only give your name for western union, do that. The information is ENCRYPTED so only the other party knows Wink
1405  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 25, 2015, 03:31:25 AM

You will be able to exchange Bay directly to US$ in the client and on exchanges


OMG!!! That's great news!!! This coin is so awesome!


In theory some of us can start selling Bay for cash, yen, peso etc P2P using smart contracts in the markets. However, once the template for cash is finished that will make it more obvious on how to perform a deal like that.

I imagine some kind of paypal to bay and vice-versa smart contract could be developed?

That can already be done right now, its just that there is no user friendly template (only custom template right now). For example lets say someone is selling 1 million BitBay. He deposts 1 mil and so does the buyer (there is also the 1 mil amount advanced).

Thus sellers in for 2 mil buyer is in for 1. Buy sends cash any way he wants (paypal ok but wait at least 30 days or open a support ticket to avoid chargeback) for example, bank wire, cash in the mail, money wire like Western Union, MoneyGram etc.

That wire covers 1 million and now buyer is out 2 seller is out 1 (1+1 deposit - cash which was 1)

So both parties have to confirm the deal and release to get their money out. We won't automate the wire but we can set up a template that fills in all the forms for any payment option. Things like wire info or western union info and the buyer would fill out their half as well.

To illustrate how the balance shifts its like this

2:1
1:2
even (contract complete)
1406  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 25, 2015, 01:11:13 AM

You will be able to exchange Bay directly to US$ in the client and on exchanges


OMG!!! That's great news!!! This coin is so awesome!


In theory some of us can start selling Bay for cash, yen, peso etc P2P using smart contracts in the markets. However, once the template for cash is finished that will make it more obvious on how to perform a deal like that.
1407  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 25, 2015, 01:09:37 AM
I have BitBay marketplace installed, recently I am having a sync issue where it says Synchronizing 217121: (this number does increment)
but the status bar is stuck at 0%
I tried the Rescan feature or restarting BitBay market but this did not fix the sync issue.
Thanks in advance any help appreciated!

Hmm well you can let it sync and see if the blocks increment, or perhaps its a firewall issue or something else? IF you send me your debug.log I can see if you are synchronizing. Rescan is only used to scan again for missing inputs (like an incorrect balance).
1408  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 23, 2015, 07:54:40 PM
Greeting Blumangroup welcome to the Bitbay thread! I see you haven't been here before. Strange first post to write but you are right! We all need to coordinate and organise outselves. Perhaps when we have an official launch date we can then do more percise planning.

Hey maan,

Thanks for the welcome, just because you have not seen me here before it does not mean i have not been here before  Tongue What exactly is strange about a post that is right? lol.

The 'precise planning' should be done be done long before launch, launch will be enough going on to have to worry about getting things planned, just my opinion of course

I checked the bitbay wallet, found the wallet with coin quantity is less and less, the coin is more concentrated.

That will even out the more people that understand what we have got here, a lot of people still seem to be on the sideline which is their choice but when it takes of they are the same people that will be panic buying on the way up following the sheep.

The wallets you see are either the smart cookies that takes risks or they are they are not  Cheesy But.. We are in the rich list as you can see Tongue

Hey thanks i totally agree, and i wanted to elaborate most coins are concentrated. Even Bitcoin there are wallets holding massive amounts of BTC. The top 100 wallets hold 20% of bitcoin! So distribution comes with time. Hedging/Pegging will help this happen i think by stabilizing prices.
1409  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 23, 2015, 01:28:04 PM
One reason the price is so low could be that this project doing all it says it will just sounds too good to be true to most.

In this world that we living? Yes, for sure  Roll Eyes
Or maybe the past of BAY is something investors cannot\will not ignore.

I dont think so, all the jerks are gone anyways. Besides, unlike other coins, we are actually developing lol. And also, we had some very good volume spikes recently especially a couple weeks ago. Also, several new investors contacted me and the news outlets were fairly neutral and somewhat interested in this project. If anything, the past is just a crazy story to tell. People want to see a marketable project. The point is having a project that can reach masses outside of the forums.
1410  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 21, 2015, 03:51:06 AM
Hey there guys, so im making lots of updates and wanted to let you all know, if there is anyone who is good with PR or knows bloggers or would like some articles please reach out to me or the slack group.

Mostly, im usually busy coding so i dont have time to leverage my pr contacts. However, it would make sense for someone to reach out to a few bloggers or bitcoin pr news outlets to get some articles on the subject of decentralized servers and markets as well as pegging etc. I can always pay bounties for that as well.

Thanks and hope you all are looking forward to the next round of updates.

Yes indeed thanks for you for your contribution to the crypt world. we all are looking forward to the future of this coin and your personal updates. i my self would like to do a demo of how the market is currently work and upload it youtube if that ok with you, plus might make some video about bitbay and it's path.

Thanks. Yeah that sounds like a good idea. Ok well just wait for the next update to do the video so all the templates are complete with bug fixes. I just added some really good inbox management stuff today. Still have a long list of things to do. The next version should be much more commercial.
1411  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 20, 2015, 11:01:08 PM
Hey there guys, so im making lots of updates and wanted to let you all know, if there is anyone who is good with PR or knows bloggers or would like some articles please reach out to me or the slack group.

Mostly, im usually busy coding so i dont have time to leverage my pr contacts. However, it would make sense for someone to reach out to a few bloggers or bitcoin pr news outlets to get some articles on the subject of decentralized servers and markets as well as pegging etc. I can always pay bounties for that as well.

Thanks and hope you all are looking forward to the next round of updates.
1412  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 18, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
Look at the price of bitbay is more and more low, the development team should begin to do marketing. Chinese users are scarce, suggestions on 8btc.com publicity, to attract them to participate.


If anyone has some PR contacts, send them my way. Now is a good time to do articles and such while we wait.
1413  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 16, 2015, 01:37:32 PM
I just topped off a mil this morning and I'm holding till i can actually purchase things I want in the markets. I like this project and SDC, also bought a little BLK. I've been studying currency structures since 08 and with the introduction of BTC I see a turn key alternative to the dollar when it crashes. We don't need to fight the FED or government, just ignoring them and using something they can't control is the way out of this debt based slave system. Decentralized free markets will be key.

 I would like to find a coin that allows me to say for example, I have 10 ounces of silver which I want to use to launch a new silver backed crypto coin called S-coin. I can create 311 S-coins, 1 coin per gram peg. I then spend those into my local economy with the stipulation that anyone can come to me with an accumulated amount of S-coin, say 31.1 minimum and they can redeem that crypto for my physical metal. Those 31.1 coins would then be destroyed by the issuer. New coins can always be created and destroyed as the size of the stack changes with physical deposits and redemption's. It would have to be based on trust with maybe a reputation system of the issuer but it could include a way of verifying by way of third party audits or it could even be as simple as posting a youtube video of the stack every week. This would allow that 1 gram of metal to be divided into 100 million pieces, something not possible in the physical world and it would have all the benefits of instant electronic transfer and blockchain accounting of how much of the coin has been created and make sure it matches the latest youtube stack update. These commodity backed coins could be created by companies that actually produce the product they are selling whether it be oil, gold, or beef. And its got to be as easy as creating a craigslist ad or ebay posting. Let me know if you know of one or is this the colored coin idea, could this be incorporated into bitbay somehow??? I thought counterparty was going down this road but I don't know if anything is ready or not

 

I dont like basing currencies on trust. If you use a deflation/inflation system like what we are proposing here, it wouldn't be so hard to issue one currency backed by another. Consider that a person could issue "Johncoin" where the guy might issue 1000 coins backed by 1000 dollars. True, it wouldn't have a high marketcap but the concept is to issue coins based on market pegs, contracts or deposits. You should avoid audits at all costs. Youtube videos or "he said/she said" is the thing of the past. We should move to an economy not based on trust since absolute power corrupts.

I could see this working in a bitbay fork or perhaps issued through smart contracts or bonds.
1414  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 15, 2015, 05:09:44 PM
I've never coded so I see how the multiply 10 having the same effect as moving the decimal.

the next evolution in BTC is the decentralized market, faster transactions, and smart contracts. Bay will achieve all of these when complete. All the economic engineering of the coin can be left out, I think this is the problem with our current system and I believe people will gravitate to the decentralized market that has the freest flow of the coin that rides on it. I think all this attempt to engineer will be a turn off, especially if its complicated and always changing.

This is only to mitigate volatility. It certainly is not always changing though. The core concept is pretty much set. I see your point there but in a bear market a coin can lose 90% of its value and nobody can buy/sell on a market while thats happening. So this engine I'm designing will prevent loss of value in your coins so the markets can be happy.

After all, right now we have working smart contracts and decentralized markets with no fees and no arbiters. You would think its perfect. After all even BitHalo had smart contracts for an entire year. People are waiting for templates so its user friendly I think. Although we did have at least 20 deals on the markets go through.

Remember this system is decentralized. There is no reason votes can't be automated or augmented based on node performance instead of stakeholders.
1415  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 15, 2015, 04:17:27 PM
you'll never get a decent % of people voting on reserve changes if its happening 1 or 2 times a day. essentially a vote FOR is a purchase OF on the market. You don't want to inflate your currency because there is no way to do that without hurting early arrivers. thats why the divisibility , the ability to move right of the decimal in noncoding terms, rewards the savers, something that is drastically lacking into days society and the driving appeal of all cryptos. the reserve and liquid tagging will imo act as a form of capitol controls which will cause distortions in a secondary market and could create more volatility when reserve coins are released by vote because of frontrun dumping of a vote favored to lower the reserve %. I appreciate this back and forth

I understand your point. However floating point numbers aren't used in coins. Essentually "multiplying everyones balance by 10" is the same as adding a decimal place. Its simply from a math perspective, computers don't handle floating points correct and it will cause errors.
http://floating-point-gui.de/

The link above explains it simply. Of course ok, so it can be done without impacting the market... there is always a way. Even to make it "appear" to move to the right, you still must deal in integers not floats.

I see your concern, you are basically saying (what if voters are selfish) and thus they can increase supply by unfreezing? Well yes so the question of the frequency of voting comes in. Perhaps it can halve just like the block reward, perhaps we can allow the master key to message the client if variables like voting frequency need to be changed.

I think its more of a balancing act. What is the sweet spot where things will square off and the price can achieve a harmony. The idea that people can sell reserves in time locked sales may help act as a deterrent for selfish votes. Also with checklocktimeverify it should be possible to park your coins. This would mean that even on an interest increase those coins would stay parked until the locktime runs out. That would be a voluntary action. Coins that get sold from selfish votes might move into the hands of people who would vote deflation anyways.

The point is, the first iteration of this must exist. It certainly would decrease volatility though since no matter how you structure your argument, a dumpers coins will not be all available at once. Perhaps you could argue that overdeflating could cause this risk if the coin is inflated too early.

The theory is to have supply matching demand and there is some variables to consider.

Think of it this way, Bitcoin is supposed to be hailed as programmable money but they aren't taking advantage of their wonderful opportunity to programatically control their economy. No matter what, this is the next logical step for Bitcoin.

1416  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 15, 2015, 02:45:08 PM
1 billion coins is enough because you have eight zeros to the right of the decimal. The only issue is if widely accepted and used, you may have to lower the transaction fee  LOL

lol interesting point... well now that my client will replace the standard Qt, doing updates/"forks" will be easier. That would be an update that could be easily done. However consider that Bitcoin is not in decimals. Computers dont understand floating points and decimals because its binary. Bitcoin is in integers one Bitcoin is 100000000. They say satoshis and then make decimals to make it prettier. In order to denominate more you need to inflate the currency to 1 trillion. But hell, thats not a big deal if we have reserve coins locked. Perhaps if that was ever needed one day it could be done easier without harming early arrivers.
1417  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 15, 2015, 02:40:48 PM
so it sounds like there is going to be a % of coins that will be locked and unspendable in the wallet unless voting changes this %? I assume these will be staked to get the interest. Will the % be the same for everyone regardless of the wallet size? there must then be a time element for further reduction in the size of the wallet. I think Voting will be to slow to meet market demands and will most likely overshoot or undershoot the optimum supply. I think the price will be better found in the market trading 24/7

Yes this is correct. A more technical elaboration is possible. Inputs are required to be tagged as either "reserve" or "liquid" miners will always calculate wether or not a % of a reserve input is spendable or how much of a liquid input must be tagged as reserve when spent. The concept is simple but making the accounting perfect is a little tricky.

If everyone sends to the voting address in request to deflate for example and we start at 100%, then we move to 99%. When an input needs to be spent, lets say its 100 coins then only 99 coins can be used liquid and 1 coin must lock. That coin is only available if the currency inflates back to 100.

We will allow for voting after certain intervals of blocks. So perhaps 1-2X per day. Thus in a month at most it can deflate 60%. After 99% we have to figure out what increment makes the most sense. Most like .01% so it would drop 99.99, 99.98 and so on. This effects all wallets.

Now consider this is nothing at all like a bank or federal reserve because the rates effect all users evenly. No custodial wallets and no unfair advantages. The beautiful part here is if you have deflated and you hold 100 coins where you used to hold 100,000, then you must have 99,900 in reserve. Your 100 coins will increase in exchange value of course so your purse might be worth more here. If anything it acts as a decentralized economy for the sake of eliminating volatility.

However some good arguments were made for allowing reserve sales. So I'm (considering) adding "time locked sale of reserves" which is a way to bypass the freeze in the condition that you lock the coins for X months. So if you buy reserves you must wait (lets say the minimum is 3) months. Upon receipt those coins are still reserve but (might) be liquid one day if some arent already and your hope is at the same value.

Those bond type sales might create a secondary market and allow investors to enter into the market without making the argument that the distribution was unfair for early adopters. Those reserves would probably get sold at a discount and its a balancing act to decide what the minimum lock should be.

Other techniques are still being discussed and nothing is set in stone yet. I know how I'm writing it in the source code but am still meditating on what a good debut will be. Right now, I'm working on templates to commercialize the markets better and make them more user friendly. So far it looks like there are no bugs and the testing has been very smooth. The only thing we are missing is a build that works on all Macs as we notice about 75% of them running. Perhaps we need to include some libraries or something its on my list of things to do.
1418  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 15, 2015, 01:53:09 PM
The only certainty going forward is volatility in all currencies whether they are crypto or government fiat. I say let the markets determine value and Lets build Bay into one of those markets. the only reason why the fiats look somewhat stable is because of the currency manipulation behind the scenes, interest rate swaps, currency swaps, etc.. When these derivatives break the currencies will go into algo flash crashes as liquidity disappears, we have already seen this happen in the US 10y which is unheard of. There will be more stability in the cryptos because their supply cannot be drastically changed. We are one BANK RUN away from seeing BTC go back to $1,000+ because of it's transferability and limited nature. Then people will gravitate to attached markets to facilitate new trade connections that will be destroyed when the banking system fails. we need not fight the FED, just ignore them and use something outside their control.

Try to not think of this as a "peg" to the dollar(there is no specific number we are targeting). Think of this as simply adding freezing/unfreezing deflation/inflation. Liquidity is not reduced because its reduced for everyone proportionally. So the best way to see it is making supply match demand. If the demand goes down, the supply can be voted on to decrease via deflation. If the demand goes up, then reserves can be made liquid. It happens in increments so no need to fear any crash. In theory, we can grow the price against the dollar via voting. The only thing that is happening here is volatility is dramatically being reduced. If the dollar dies, this coin still exists. Remember only its supply was matching the demand so it could survive any bear market condition. The dream situation is when 1 billion isnt enough coins to match demand. But the theory is, we grow towards that.
1419  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 14, 2015, 07:10:45 PM
So just a noob question as I just got into BitBay. Why can't I have the marketplace and my wallet open at the same time? It gives me an error message. Can I fix this using different ports for each one? IF there is a fix please fill me in. Thanks!!

It can be fixed by changing the port but we will wait until its made obsolete.
1420  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 14, 2015, 11:09:23 AM
Bitbay and blackcoin, the two coins are Dzimbeck participate in the development of the coin, the coin is very good, but the two coins are lack of marketing. Will not be Dzimbeck or the team lack of contacts?
Do not attach importance to marketing, like people will be disappointed and give up.


We absolutely do not lack contacts in marketing, we are simply working on things and are really not ready for a big marketing push yet. The client is in beta, it needs work on templates and UI, and is still being tested to make sure everything is working in all situations for everyone.

Hence, it is not the time for a big marketing push, it is time to spread rumours about the great things being worked on. Once client is out of beta, and everything is 100% ready, then we will bring out the big guns and get this promoted everywhere.

Be aware that larger media outlets are not interested in reporting on unfinished work that people cannot properly use yet.

And remember, true marketing is creating a product that the market wants, not pushing just anything down its throat!

I dont agree with this entirely, the markets have been teseted extensively and there is definitely a lack of marketing in both Blackcoin and Bitbay. Although I do agree that the marketing push is going to be much stronger once the templates and other things are finished. Forget rumors, there is no marketing. Also, considering that we are the only coin with decentralized markets, it doesnt make sense to give other coins time to catch up. At a minimum everyone should know about it even though there is more to do. Also, assume that we are waiting for a marketing push. Ok so who is designing the materials for that? What about advertisements, banners, diagrams, writeups etc? So many materials to prepare why not do it in advance?
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